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Harik posted:i looked it up, and only DC, New Mexico and South Carolina have what we'd consider "jaywalking" laws, where pedestrians are confined to specific marked areas and is a crime to leave those. youre ignoring all of the states like pennsylvania though that say no jaywalking in urban areas, which is where most road crossing happens for obvious reasons
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FlutieFlake posted:"I'm driving with the flow of traffic" is the excuse every driver uses to drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit all the time. Maybe if people drove the speed limit instead of using that excuse, traffic would be 5-10 mph slower and much safer. if people drove differently things would be different but that's how it is, i didn't make it dumb the ground doesn't move and do unpredictable poo poo like random people in other cars on their phones or drunk/nodding out, if you are by the ground and not near them you are far less likely to die, you do not have to roll the 'will this guy whose mad at me shoot me' dice at all if you are moving at a lower relative speed to other cars by maintaining the same speed you are less likely to die in a car crash than if not by the same virtue
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:01 |
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really though it's dumb to think that speed limits are any different from jaywalking laws when it comes to how they're only used as pretense to punish minorities
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:02 |
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:youre ignoring all of the states like pennsylvania though that say no jaywalking in urban areas, which is where most road crossing happens for obvious reasons quote:75 P.S. § 3542, § 3542: When traffic
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:03 |
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keep reading, I already pasted the next clause
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:04 |
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:really though it's dumb to think that speed limits are any different from jaywalking laws when it comes to how they're only used as pretense to punish minorities
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:05 |
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:really though it's dumb to think that speed limits are any different from jaywalking laws when it comes to how they're only used as pretense to punish minorities its true cops see mercedes benz & lexus driven by an old white ppl in slomo they never get pulled over they also never install speeding cameras in their own communities
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mystes posted:All laws are disproportionately enforced against minorities but I don't personally think the solution is to get rid of all laws the solution isn't to enforce nore unequal laws harder either
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FirstnameLastname posted:the solution isn't to enforce nore unequal laws harder either If you don't think that, you agree that some laws are good but just need to be enforced more fairly and you just disagree about speed limits because you're carbrained.
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:06 |
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punish all the speeders, minorities be damned!!
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:06 |
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all the states are pretty carbrained in that there's a burden on the pedestrian to not get killed by drivers when crossing, rather than for drivers to drive safely. But the ones I pointed out are the only ones with strict "no peds outside marked zones" jaywalking laws. Around half the states add "marked and unmarked" to crosswalks, with the general definition being "where you would expect them to be at intersections, even if the stripes aren't painted." I'm not sure what the range is on crosswalks before you're not required to use them. Maybe some states it's interesection-to-intersection even if it's a half mile between them and the bus stop is in the middle?
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:07 |
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FirstnameLastname posted:if people drove differently things would be different but that's how it is, i didn't make it dumb Look, the only safe thing to do is to put your gas pedal to the max and never, ever let up, because if you don't, the driver behind you will become Hitler and go genocide a bunch of people. Which is to say if you're not speeding a whole bunch, you're basically a Nazi.
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:punish all the speeders, minorities be damned!!
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Ham Equity posted:Look, the only safe thing to do is to put your gas pedal to the max and never, ever let up, because if you don't, the driver behind you will become Hitler and go genocide a bunch of people.
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:07 |
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me pulling onto a freeway: "twenty is plenty."
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mystes posted:You're missing the point that if you enforced it uniformly, it wouldn't disproportionately affect minorities when has there ever been a law applied uniformly?
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:09 |
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all I'm saying is that if you're driving like a maniac 20 over the limit and there are kids, cyclists and other pedestrians nearby you're a Fuckin Dick. if you do that on the freeway you're probably still an rear end in a top hat but it's not like you're a potential murderer.
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:10 |
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:keep reading, I already pasted the next clause Maybe you intended to but didn't press the post button? penndot doesn't have any distinction between urban/suburban/rural on their pedestrian safety, so maybe it's local ordinances you're thinking of?
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:10 |
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mystes posted:You're missing the point that if you enforced it uniformly, it wouldn't disproportionately affect minorities sorry govts all out of fair only got More
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:11 |
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DR FRASIER KRANG posted:all I'm saying is that if you're driving like a maniac 20 over the limit and there are kids, cyclists and other pedestrians nearby you're a Fuckin Dick. I know it's tempting to think of dr*vers as not being "people," but it's still murder to kill them
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:11 |
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Harik posted:Maybe you intended to but didn't press the post button? I did quote it earlier. Title 75 § 3543 subsection C. You can't cross anywhere between any two signal-controlled intersections in an urban district except for at marked crosswalks. That comprises the majority of pedestrian crossings in the state for obvious reasons.
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:16 |
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:I did quote it earlier. Title 75 § 3543 subsection C. You can't cross anywhere between any two signal-controlled intersections in an urban district except for at marked crosswalks. That comprises the majority of pedestrian crossings in the state for obvious reasons. every state has "if there's marked crosswalks loving use them" language. They don't all have "this applies for an infinite distance" like Penn does though. Add PA to the list of shithole states.
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:22 |
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Harik posted:every state has "if there's marked crosswalks loving use them" language. They don't all have "this applies for an infinite distance" like Penn does though. most of them are the same as that PA law, though! randomly picked another state, WA: quote:Between adjacent intersections at which traffic-control signals are in operation pedestrians shall not cross at any place except in a marked crosswalk. you're making it out like this is the exception but it's not lol, jaywalking is commonly illegal in urban areas across the country
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:25 |
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there should be speed limits for pedestrians
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:28 |
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pedestrians should wear helmets if they're afraid of getting hit by cars
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 02:29 |
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when guiliani tried to put up fences to stop jaywalking everyone jumped over them so much they had to take the down
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Real hurthling! posted:when guiliani tried to put up fences to stop jaywalking everyone jumped over them so much they had to take the down lol I forgot he did this, what a loving moron prick
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 03:09 |
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I can't tell how y'all are interpreting the jaywalking law. Do you think it's legal or illegal to jaywalk where this man is standing? https://maps.app.goo.gl/n4rxa39xFzqEPqbk7 (It's legal)
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I can't tell how y'all are interpreting the jaywalking law. Do you think it's legal or illegal to jaywalk where this man is standing? Depends entirely on the state sadly maybe the federal government should do something about that. idk
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 03:17 |
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like speeding, it's up to the police to decide whether you're breaking the law or not, as it doesn't matter whether you're eventually found innocent of that specific crime in a hypothetical court of law
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 03:21 |
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Are there any places that actually specify how far away from a crossing you have to be to not be considered as jaywalking because most don't seem to.
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 03:23 |
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jaywalking laws were created to make being on a road unlawful except where marked so that pedestrians could be blamed for being hit by cars bc rich ppl were getting in trouble 2 much
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eXXon posted:Are there any places that actually specify how far away from a crossing you have to be to not be considered as jaywalking because most don't seem to. I've lived in PA all my life and had no idea that there were a dickhead clause in title 75 until Second Hand Meat Mouth mentioned it. The law is real dumb. I will continue doing whatever the gently caress I want and advocating for peds as though that clause didn't exist because why the gently caress wouldn't I lie through my teeth about it and tell drivers they were breaking the law when they killed someone
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 03:51 |
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it's okay even if jaywalking is legal nationwide the cops will still harass people over it, like "I told them not to cross and they disobeyed me"
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 03:59 |
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FirstnameLastname posted:jaywalking laws were created to make being on a road unlawful except where marked so that pedestrians could be blamed for being hit by cars bc rich ppl were getting in trouble 2 much yeah, it's just a happy accident for the authorities that jaywalking laws can also be used to crush minorities. the original point is to make sure that drivers dont get in trouble for killing people
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 04:00 |
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he was coming right for me he was trying to flee
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FirstnameLastname posted:he was coming right for me lmao
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:yeah, it's just a happy accident for the authorities that jaywalking laws can also be used to crush minorities. the original point is to make sure that drivers dont get in trouble for killing people that's what i said
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# ? Oct 5, 2023 04:01 |
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eXXon posted:Are there any places that actually specify how far away from a crossing you have to be to not be considered as jaywalking because most don't seem to. as far as I can tell no. The wording that they all copy is "between adjacent signaled crossings" but adjacent isn't defined anywhere.
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FlutieFlake posted:"I'm driving with the flow of traffic" is the excuse every driver uses to drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit all the time. Maybe if people drove the speed limit instead of using that excuse, traffic would be 5-10 mph slower and much safer. yeah like what I tell myself when I drive at 30 kph is that I'm doing everyone a favor because it acts as "traffic calming" for everyone else that has to deal with my speed
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