Harik posted:

i looked it up, and only DC, New Mexico and South Carolina have what we'd consider "jaywalking" laws, where pedestrians are confined to specific marked areas and is a crime to leave those.

Everywhere else has a fairly uniform code of "It's legal to cross roads as long as you don't jump out in front of a car"

Another common provision is "if you're next to a crosswalk loving use it instead of crossing wherever", but it's still the driver's responsibility to stop for you.

Texas owns for drivers though:

"When traffic signal is not in place, vehicles must yield to pedestrian in crosswalk on vehicle’s half of road or close to it. Pedestrians must not step off curb and into path of vehicle when vehicle does not have time to stop. If vehicle violates this statute and hits a blind or disabled person, they must pay a $500 fine and perform 30 hours of community service for a charity that serves blind or disabled people."

FlutieFlake posted:

"I'm driving with the flow of traffic" is the excuse every driver uses to drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit all the time. Maybe if people drove the speed limit instead of using that excuse, traffic would be 5-10 mph slower and much safer.

Gun murder is way too common in the US, but it's about half as common as car death. A few of those shootings are road rage related, but most of them aren't. Driving faster is more likely to kill you (or someone else) than someone flipping their lid because you were going the speed limit.

The most likely place for someone to get killed while driving is at an intersection where cars are traveling different directions, and in those types of collisions, less speed is undeniably less deadly. Of course, driving slower is always safer for people walking along or crossing the road.

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

youre ignoring all of the states like pennsylvania though that say no jaywalking in urban areas, which is where most road crossing happens for obvious reasons

quote:

75 P.S. § 3542, § 3542: When traffic
signal is not in place, vehicles must
yield to pedestrian in crosswalk on
vehicle’s half of road or close to it.
Pedestrians must not step off curb and
into path of vehicle when vehicle does
not have time to stop.

75 P.S. § 3542, § 3543: Pedestrians must
yield to vehicles when crossing outside
crosswalk. Pedestrians must use crosswalk
at intersections with traffic control devices.
Pedestrians must not cross diagonally.

Harik posted:

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

really though it's dumb to think that speed limits are any different from jaywalking laws when it comes to how they're only used as pretense to punish minorities

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

really though it's dumb to think that speed limits are any different from jaywalking laws when it comes to how they're only used as pretense to punish minorities

mystes posted:

All laws are disproportionately enforced against minorities but I don't personally think the solution is to get rid of all laws

FirstnameLastname posted:

the solution isn't to enforce nore unequal laws harder either

FirstnameLastname posted:

if people drove differently things would be different but that's how it is, i didn't make it dumb

the ground doesn't move and do unpredictable poo poo like random people in other cars on their phones or drunk/nodding out, if you are by the ground and not near them you are far less likely to die, you do not have to roll the 'will this guy whose mad at me shoot me' dice at all
if you are moving at a lower relative speed to other cars by maintaining the same speed you are less likely to die in a car crash than if not by the same virtue

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

punish all the speeders, minorities be damned!!

Ham Equity posted:

Look, the only safe thing to do is to put your gas pedal to the max and never, ever let up, because if you don't, the driver behind you will become Hitler and go genocide a bunch of people.

Which is to say if you're not speeding a whole bunch, you're basically a Nazi.

mystes posted:

You're missing the point that if you enforced it uniformly, it wouldn't disproportionately affect minorities

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

keep reading, I already pasted the next clause

mystes posted:

You're missing the point that if you enforced it uniformly, it wouldn't disproportionately affect minorities

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

all I'm saying is that if you're driving like a maniac 20 over the limit and there are kids, cyclists and other pedestrians nearby you're a Fuckin Dick.

if you do that on the freeway you're probably still an rear end in a top hat but it's not like you're a potential murderer.

Harik posted:

Maybe you intended to but didn't press the post button?

penndot doesn't have any distinction between urban/suburban/rural on their pedestrian safety, so maybe it's local ordinances you're thinking of?

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

I did quote it earlier. Title 75 § 3543 subsection C. You can't cross anywhere between any two signal-controlled intersections in an urban district except for at marked crosswalks. That comprises the majority of pedestrian crossings in the state for obvious reasons.

Harik posted:

every state has "if there's marked crosswalks loving use them" language. They don't all have "this applies for an infinite distance" like Penn does though.

Add PA to the list of shithole states.

quote:

Between adjacent intersections at which traffic-control signals are in operation pedestrians shall not cross at any place except in a marked crosswalk.

Real hurthling! posted:

when guiliani tried to put up fences to stop jaywalking everyone jumped over them so much they had to take the down

Fitzy Fitz posted:

I can't tell how y'all are interpreting the jaywalking law. Do you think it's legal or illegal to jaywalk where this man is standing?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/n4rxa39xFzqEPqbk7

(It's legal)

eXXon posted:

Are there any places that actually specify how far away from a crossing you have to be to not be considered as jaywalking because most don't seem to.

FirstnameLastname posted:

jaywalking laws were created to make being on a road unlawful except where marked so that pedestrians could be blamed for being hit by cars bc rich ppl were getting in trouble 2 much

FirstnameLastname posted:

he was coming right for me
he was trying to flee

Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

yeah, it's just a happy accident for the authorities that jaywalking laws can also be used to crush minorities. the original point is to make sure that drivers dont get in trouble for killing people

eXXon posted:

Are there any places that actually specify how far away from a crossing you have to be to not be considered as jaywalking because most don't seem to.

FlutieFlake posted:

"I'm driving with the flow of traffic" is the excuse every driver uses to drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit all the time. Maybe if people drove the speed limit instead of using that excuse, traffic would be 5-10 mph slower and much safer.