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Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



went to a friend's place and an acquaintance I rarely see is here. she mentioned something about not being able to smell for a month and I was like wait what happened? and (of course) she said she got COVID 5w ago and lost her sense of smell and it hasn't come back.

I happen to know her father is a doctor AND had prescribed her a *prophylactic!* paxlovid course in 2022 when her roommate got COVID. she never tested positive that time, so maybe it worked?

anyway so I said, oh your dad didn't give you pax this time? and she said, no I took paxlovid last time and it suuuucked!

so of course I said, does it suck more than losing your sense of smell? and she just shrugged and said yeah that's a good point

??????????????????

we are hopeless lol

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Too Many Birds
Jan 8, 2020


i told my parents to both get their boosters, talk to their doctor about pax, buy preventative measures to bring, all this before they left on their cruise.

they did none of it.

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

Too Many Birds posted:

i told my parents to both get their boosters, talk to their doctor about pax, buy preventative measures to bring, all this before they left on their cruise.

they did none of it.

anybody at all concerned about any of this poo poo would not be going on a loving cruise

Too Many Birds
Jan 8, 2020


i'm so loving tired.

Too Many Birds
Jan 8, 2020


so goddamn loving tired.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
There are a bunch of times I wish I could time travel back to 2018 or so, but even if I could I still wouldn't get on a loving cruise, good god.

Indoor Dying
Dec 13, 2022
Got my expired tests from the govt today! Lol! It's ok though, they are extended until Feb 2024. Should be fine......like all the tools, just fine

Why Am I So Tired
Sep 28, 2021

Too Many Birds posted:

to the house we all live at!

Jesus, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.

Why Am I So Tired
Sep 28, 2021

Indoor Dying posted:

Got my expired tests from the govt today! Lol! It's ok though, they are extended until Feb 2024. Should be fine......like all the tools, just fine

Me too. I like how it didn't register as "oh good, COVID tests!", it registered as "oh good, the ghouls have spit in my face."

Like sure, I'd rather have the tests than not have them, but how about we do something about stopping the spread of the deadly, disabling rapidly mutating vascular pathogen? Can we try that? That sure would be a lot more helpful than a one time gift of "not even enough tests to accurately determine if you're ok."

Too Many Birds
Jan 8, 2020


i genuinely hit the end of my rope burnout 2 months ago and now for the next two weeks i get to play the avoid covid game for the 3rd loving time because my parents have to live their best lives. that car drive home is probably what is gonna get me if i do get it.

i replaced the filters on the corsicube, built a second unit, have fresh air cycling through open windows. i have the "works well under pressure/in a crisis" thing going for me but i'm not excited to see what that looks like at the end of this avoiding covid cycle when i'm already pretty much baseline ready to just find a ditch and go lay in it.

Too Many Birds has issued a correction as of 01:02 on Oct 8, 2023

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
Someone yelled at me from their car either “there’s no covid” or “there’s still covid?”

Can’t work out if the increasing random hostility I’m getting is because of general people getting more aggro about covid obviously still being a problem or because I’m finally registering as girl to more people this year.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Shiroc posted:

Someone yelled at me from their car either “there’s no covid” or “there’s still covid?”

Can’t work out if the increasing random hostility I’m getting is because of general people getting more aggro about covid obviously still being a problem or because I’m finally registering as girl to more people this year.

It’s both.

Reactionaries are increasingly agitated, and they are cowards who lash out at people they see as vulnerable.

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003
Aranet4's on sale for $168. Both from their website and through Amazon. I ordered through amazon since their website linked to it anyway, and it said shipped by Aranet, but it was actually shipped together with other amazon stuff by amazon, so they must be handling distribution entirely.

I've not heard of any counterfeit Aranet's anyway so, fingers crossed.

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late

Platystemon posted:

It’s both.

Reactionaries are increasingly agitated, and they are cowards who lash out at people they see as vulnerable.

So embarrassing to yell at someone from your car who doesn’t even look up.

Indoor Dying
Dec 13, 2022

Why Am I So Tired posted:

Me too. I like how it didn't register as "oh good, COVID tests!", it registered as "oh good, the ghouls have spit in my face."

Like sure, I'd rather have the tests than not have them, but how about we do something about stopping the spread of the deadly, disabling rapidly mutating vascular pathogen? Can we try that? That sure would be a lot more helpful than a one time gift of "not even enough tests to accurately determine if you're ok."

Idk, it sounds like stopping disease might interfere with happy hour and also like we need to be able to cough on people in hospitals

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
Those grifters who set up a fake church as a dumb workaround on federal drug laws so they could sell people 'miracle bleach' as a covid cure got sentenced: 12+ years in federal prison for "conspiring to defraud the United States by distributing an unapproved and misbranded drug"


https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/leaders-genesis-ii-church-health-and-healing-who-sold-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Those grifters who set up a fake church as a dumb workaround on federal drug laws so they could sell people 'miracle bleach' as a covid cure got sentenced: 12+ years in federal prison for "conspiring to defraud the United States by distributing an unapproved and misbranded drug"


https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/leaders-genesis-ii-church-health-and-healing-who-sold-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure

I remember when it happened. so it took 3 years to convict? lol

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Too Many Birds posted:

yes!

until mom caught covid!

and then i drove them home from the airport!

to the house we all live at!

but at least we all wore n95s on the drive home and i had a window rolled down! not window(s) because only one window in the car works!!

anyway. my mom has a contraindication that can't be worked around so paxlovid is out the window. and her doctor told her that it doesn't matter because paxlovid only exists to "make you feel better." then told her to keep taking the drugs the walk in clinic doc gave her in NYC which all are not named paxlovid, remdesivir, or molnupiravir.

yet another doctor who needs to lose his loving license

antivirals don't just make you feel better, they suppress the advancement of the infection

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
the point of medicine is to make money

that’s why drugstores sold phenylephrine for two decades even though it did nothing

that’s why docs prescribed Alzheimer’s medicine for decades despite it not doing anything

nikosoft
Dec 17, 2011

ghost in the shell, but somehow much worse
College Slice
I went in to employee health last week to get my mandatory flu shot, and was surprised to find out that they aren't also giving out covid booster shots to employees.

I work at a hospital :(

Death of Innocence
Jan 12, 2006

Too Many Birds posted:

i genuinely hit the end of my rope burnout 2 months ago and now for the next two weeks i get to play the avoid covid game for the 3rd loving time because my parents have to live their best lives. that car drive home is probably what is gonna get me if i do get it.

i replaced the filters on the corsicube, built a second unit, have fresh air cycling through open windows. i have the "works well under pressure/in a crisis" thing going for me but i'm not excited to see what that looks like at the end of this avoiding covid cycle when i'm already pretty much baseline ready to just find a ditch and go lay in it.

Hey, I’ve been there before and it sucks. It makes sense to worry but don’t forget you were prepared before you even picked them up from the airport. You were wearing your N95 and you had the windows down. The odds are well in your favor that you did not get exposed on the ride home. All you have to do now is hole up in your room, keep the corsi cube going, maybe open a window, stuff a towel or something under the door, eat and drink in your room, and mask up before you leave your room. Then it’s just a matter of sticking to it for a week or two. I’ve showered in my mask before and it was fine. If you have central air maybe close those vents if you can.

The feeling of being under siege in your own home really sucks.

If you’re not sharing air with your parents they can’t get you.

I really hate this loving economy, those of us that want to be covid cautious should be able to afford a studio apartment instead of being stuck at home at the mercy of entitled boomers, or spending our whole paycheck to live with covid denialist roommates. The only thing that can solve this long term is just hopefully we find better jobs, and below market rents.

Death of Innocence has issued a correction as of 04:32 on Oct 8, 2023

Ferdinand Bardamu
Apr 30, 2013
My employer is offering free flu vaccinations but not a word about the new COVID slut juice.

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
if sars 2 has evolved the ability to teleport through 2 respirators that will be some bad news indeed

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
After cancellations from CVS and Walgreens, I was able to get my child vaccinated at our ward's vaccine clinic. It pays to canvass for a socialist.

I'm holding out for novavax, an awful gamble considering all the travel I'll be doing this month.

Diamonds On MY Fish
Dec 10, 2008

I WAS BORN THIS WAY
How's the size on the breathteqs? It looks like they're modeled after the aura which my face is too big for (bottom rides to my chin) Currently rocking vflexes which fit just fine.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
I finally found a store here in Melbourne which sells the combo covid/flu A+B/RSV rapid tests.



I've been keeping an eye out and most pharmacies don't seem to stock them, I guess there's not much call for them


In other epidemic news we're switching from the Zostavax shingles vaccine to Shingrix but it's still only available to people aged 65+ and immunocompromised people at high risk of developing shingles. Even if I could find a sympathetic doctor to write a scrip for me it looks like it'd cost me $560 out-of-pocket since I don't meet the criteria for the free dose

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

Steve Yun posted:

I remember when it happened. so it took 3 years to convict? lol

Federal prosecution takes forever because they have unlimited resources and if the conviction fails it’s a major L on the USADA

A 97-99% conviction rate is like a C+ to them

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004


one of the great posts. vyelkin ftw

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Zodium posted:

one of the great posts. vyelkin ftw

it's like the bad ending from A Mind Forever Voyaging but updated for Current Day

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Considering how most people test and the variance between variants, I don't think this is such a hot idea. For thread readers using the low and slow method, it might have some marginal utility though:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/106679 posted:

Can Rapid COVID Tests Reveal More Than a Positive/Negative Result?
— Experts agree that rapid antigen test kits can show degrees of infectiousness

At-home rapid COVID-19 tests can reveal more about viral load than a simple positive/negative result, according to experts.
(..)
A 2021 study showed that rapid antigen tests were sensitive and specific enough to detect a person's viral load, whether they were symptomatic at the time or not. The authors noted that their study results "indicate a clear relationship between relative viral load and test positivity and provide a practical, real-world criterion to assist calling results in this setting."
(..)
How to Decipher a Rapid COVID Test
Mina said the first thing to consider about the rapid antigen tests is that they are built like virus traps. To show whether a person has enough virus to be considered contagious, the tests are designed to catch all the virus available in a test sample, which then appears on the test line.

Another important fact about the tests, he added, is that they do not include an amplifying step, which means the virus captured on the test line is a true representation of an individual's viral load.

"It's very intuitive when you start thinking about it," he said. "If you see a line right away, I think a lot of people just intuit for themselves: 'Wow, I have a lot of virus in my nose.' If it takes 15 minutes for you to start to see a line ... then it makes you realize you probably don't have a lot of virus, and everything in between is that gradient."

This means that people can interpret their test results in two simple ways: time to test line appearance and test line darkness after 15 minutes, he explained.

The basics of these variations come down to showing how much viral load a person has at one point in time. A darker test line or a faster test line mean a higher viral load. Mina noted that a person with a dark line that appears quickly has a very high viral load, and he or she is likely near the peak of their infectiousness. Conversely, a lighter line that appears closer to the 10- to 15-minute mark means viral load is low, he added.
(..)

Archived link: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/106679

Pingui has issued a correction as of 12:25 on Oct 8, 2023

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I would not be in favor of making things more complicated. If you test positive, continue to isolate. Simple as.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
As an aside and fyi: COVID news are exceptionally slow, I suspect IP is currently sucking all the air out of the room right now, but it started when the public health emergency was cancelled (day to day ~halving the news). At this point it is a trickle, where - as an example - close to zero news items on the dedicated COVID-19 Google news page is about or even related to COVID. As time passes time zones this changes, which is why I've been posting news later and later (as the prime time passes over different areas of the US, more news pop up).

For now the best source of COVID news is found here:
https://www.infmed.dk/nyheder-udefr...oV,%202019-nCoV

But as this is purely scientific publication, there isn't much to post :shrug:

So I want to ask: does anyone have some really good COVID news aggregators?

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

gradenko_2000 posted:

I would not be in favor of making things more complicated. If you test positive, continue to isolate. Simple as.

Yeah, I don't think it is so hot either. Particularly as a premise would be consistency on test, testing and variant, neither of which I think are reasonable assumptions.

Bruce Hussein Daddy
Dec 26, 2005

I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

gradenko_2000 posted:

I would not be in favor of making things more complicated. If you test positive, continue to isolate. Simple as.

????

When to Isolate
Regardless of vaccination status, you should isolate from others when you have COVID-19.

You should also isolate if you are sick and suspect that you have COVID-19 but do not yet have test results. If your results are positive, follow the full isolation recommendations below. If your results are negative, you can end your isolation.

IF YOU TEST
Negative
You can end your isolation

IF YOU TEST
Positive
Follow the full isolation recommendations below

When you have COVID-19, isolation is counted in days, as follows:

If you had no symptoms
Day 0 is the day you were tested (not the day you received your positive test result)
Day 1 is the first full day following the day you were tested
If you develop symptoms within 10 days of when you were tested, the clock restarts at day 0 on the day of symptom onset
If you had symptoms
Day 0 of isolation is the day of symptom onset, regardless of when you tested positive
Day 1 is the first full day after the day your symptoms started
Isolation
If you test positive for COVID-19, stay home for at least 5 days and isolate from others in your home.

You are likely most infectious during these first 5 days.

Wear a high-quality mask if you must be around others at home and in public.
Do not go places where you are unable to wear a mask. For travel guidance, see CDC’s Travel webpage.
Do not travel.
Stay home and separate from others as much as possible.
Use a separate bathroom, if possible.
Take steps to improve ventilation at home, if possible.
Don’t share personal household items, like cups, towels, and utensils.
Monitor your symptoms. If you have an emergency warning sign (like trouble breathing), seek emergency medical care immediately.
Learn more about what to do if you have COVID-19.
Ending Isolation
End isolation based on how serious your COVID-19 symptoms were. Loss of taste and smell may persist for weeks or months after recovery and need not delay the end of isolation.

If you had no symptoms
You may end isolation after day 5.

If you had symptoms and:
Your symptoms are improving
You may end isolation after day 5 if:

You are fever-free for 24 hours (without the use of fever-reducing medication).
Your symptoms are not improving
Continue to isolate until:

You are fever-free for 24 hours (without the use of fever-reducing medication).
Your symptoms are improving. 1
If you had symptoms and had:
Moderate illness (you experienced shortness of breath or had difficulty breathing)
You need to isolate through day 10.

Severe illness (you were hospitalized) or have a weakened immune system
You need to isolate through day 10.
Consult your doctor before ending isolation.
Ending isolation without a viral test may not be an option for you.
If you are unsure if your symptoms are moderate or severe or if you have a weakened immune system, talk to a healthcare provider for further guidance.

Regardless of when you end isolation
Until at least day 11:
Avoid being around people who are more likely to get very sick from COVID-19.
Remember to wear a high-quality mask when indoors around others at home and in public.
Do not go places where you are unable to wear a mask until you are able to discontinue masking (see below).
For travel guidance, see CDC’s Travel webpage.
Removing Your Mask
After you have ended isolation, when you are feeling better (no fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and symptoms improving),

Wear your mask through day 10.
OR

If you have access to antigen tests, you should consider using them. With two sequential negative tests 48 hours apart, you may remove your mask sooner than day 10.
Note: If your antigen test results1 are positive, you may still be infectious. You should continue wearing a mask and wait at least 48 hours before taking another test. Continue taking antigen tests at least 48 hours apart until you have two sequential negative results. This may mean you need to continue wearing a mask and testing beyond day 10.

After you have ended isolation, if your COVID-19 symptoms recur or worsen, restart your isolation at day 0. Talk to a healthcare provider if you have questions about your symptoms or when to end isolation.

[1] As noted in the Food and Drug Administration labeling for authorized over-the-counter antigen tests, negative test results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or patient management decisions, including infection control decisions.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Simple as.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

Pingui posted:

Simple as.
Our message is simple: call your employer and ask if they will fire you for isolating while you have COVID.

yoloer420
May 19, 2006
I'm surprised that any country still suggests isolating when you have covid.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Why not? Barely anyone will actually do it, and fewer still have the means to do so even if they wanted. It's a completely harmless suggestion.
Then again, I suppose the same could be said of masking and yet we still urge against that. Although masking is visible and isolating is, to an extent, invisible. Yes, your coworkers will notice your absence, but unless you say you have COVID - and considering how liberals have made it into a moral failing to get sick you might not - they won't know. Maybe you caught that summer flu that's been doing the rounds. Or just took some time off! Who knows! I mean, you're not allowed to say the C-word on Youtube or Twitter, so it's not like you can publicize your condition.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own
If they ask you to come in regardless, cough in their face.

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road potato
Dec 19, 2005

Oracle posted:

Friends sister died of a blood clot in her lung. She was 55. Someone found her in her car by the side of the road, unresponsive. She taught high school choir and was just generally a really great person.

A few pages late, but an acquaintance I met at a music teaching workshop in 2015 died unexpectedly recently with very little info shared, and another music teacher I know posted recently on facebook about how he's had all of these heart conditions that are completely new and totally unusual for a 30-something previously-healthy guy. The daughter of one of our staff members (a woman in her 40s) died of a stroke recently. I feel like no one in education (or anywhere?) is making this connection to COVID, because it's been fully omitted from any coverage if you're not looking for it.

My wife and I are the only people we know who wear masks regularly. I'm starting to feel more and more self-conscious, but not wanting those stories to be me next time is I guess a good enough motivation.

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