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I'm not sure how important up to the minute updates are. I would think that this conflict will essentially be on rails for the most part.
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Count Roland posted:Much like the Ukraine war it starts out hot and will eventually summer down to a more steady stream of atrocities. I appreciate any news I can get because I do have family in the area.
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Nenonen posted:
We had a media literacy thread that was supposed to generally inform forums norms on interpreting sources; mods made the decision to not moderate it so it was trolled into oblivion and then closed because moderating it would take work. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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but further on one that has a focus on recognizing misinformation, bad journalism and blatant propaganda. There's so much "news" especially on Twitter and other social media from dubious sources, meanwhile big media outlets are running in circles reporting on things that we already know, that it feels useless to follow any of them. Which is probably good for sanity anyway...
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Grip it and rip it posted:I'm not sure how important up to the minute updates are. I would think that this conflict will essentially be on rails for the most part. How can I fuel my anxiety and depression by only following one war in near real-time?
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mobby_6kl posted:How can I fuel my anxiety and depression by only following one war in near real-time? Don't you understand the fog of war?!?!
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Is there a reason you don't count the 'big media outlets' among the 'dubious sources'? What are the mechanisms that you think makes them intrinsically more trustworthy?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Is there a reason you don't count the 'big media outlets' among the 'dubious sources'? What are the mechanisms that you think makes them intrinsically more trustworthy? Big media outlets *are* generally reliable, however unpopular that feeling may be. And its being compared with social media, which has a reliability of exactly zero.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Is there a reason you don't count the 'big media outlets' among the 'dubious sources'? What are the mechanisms that you think makes them intrinsically more trustworthy? I don't count journalistic publications so much as sources but as reporters. Of course it varies how rigidly they follow journalistic guidelines and how competent they even are, but generally it's a known factor if a media house puts a spin in their reporting or if someone is just repeating someone else's talking points. In social media you encounter a lot of unknown sources and people who fw:fw:fw: posts that no one has tried to verify and if it turns to be untrue they will not issue any corrections either.
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Nenonen posted:In social media you encounter a lot of unknown sources and people who fw:fw:fw: posts that no one has tried to verify and if it turns to be untrue they will not issue any corrections either.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Plus, the way social media monetization works, it encourages people to be first to post a story so they get the clicks. Whether or not the story is true is secondary. This is also how conglomerate broadcast news works
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Rooney McNibnug posted:This is also how conglomerate broadcast news works They can get sued if they aren't careful, though. Good luck suing Twitter blue subscriber @breakingnews420 though.
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I don't think Hamas is going to sue NYT or something, but yeah even with all the MSM problems we're familiar with, their reporting is going to be generally less wild. That said if the russia war is anything to go by, there are going to be some reliable twitter sources that take it seriously and try to very all information. Identifying them is an exercise for the readers of course.
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Rooney McNibnug posted:This is also how conglomerate broadcast news works Nah, they do fine with real news most of the time. Their bread and butter is creating stories out of nothing or hyping trivial events as meaningful news when there's not much going on that's actually interesting. They have air time to fill, and they'll bring in four experts to debate the color of Joe Biden's pants if there's nothing else to talk about.
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Deteriorata posted:Nah, they do fine with real news most of the time. Their bread and butter is creating stories out of nothing or hyping trivial events as meaningful news when there's not much going on that's actually interesting. Not much going on that's actually interesting or that they're allowed to report Like if there's unprecedented striking over prison conditions or whatnot you can be sure it's time for a Pants Debate rather than ever covering that. Also major media outlets generally love war and can't really be trusted to ever be objective on it.
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Peace in Middle East has taken a small step forward today as the president of Iran___ has arrived to Saudi Arabia to discuss the Gaza events.
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Senate passed unanimously (100-0) the Armenian Protection Act. https://x.com/frankpallone/status/1725257556170551364?s=46
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NYT has a pretty good human interest story about NK today, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/17/world/europe/nagorno-karabakh-armenia-azerbaijan-wounds.html from someone who must have gone to both sides of the border. I guess a few thousand Armenians stayed in the area. Will be interesting to hear how it is for anyone who tries to go back.
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U.S. Central Command posted:Today, there were four attacks against three separate commercial vessels operating in international waters in the southern Red Sea. These three vessels are connected to 14 separate nations. The Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer USS CARNEY responded to the distress calls from the ships and provided assistance. (statement was on twitter, not linking  )
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These are all bulk carriers that got hit. I’ve previously boarded one of them for a loading survey. It’s a big deal if it continues to happen. It’s a very different thing than the piracy.
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So presumably this is them following through on targeting vessels associated with Israel, right? I recall the first one that got targeted a little ways back was technically UK-based but ultimately owned by some Israeli magnate, is it the same story here or are they broadening their list of targets? Edit: here's the AP writeup: https://apnews.com/article/red-sea-houthi-yemen-ships-attack-israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-716770f0a780160e9abed98d3c48fbde Looks like they are Israeli-linked but less directly than the previous targets - I haven't really got much sense for how many ships pass through the area without incident on a daily/weekly basis, so not sure if this is basically indiscriminate or laser-focused. Would love to get an effortpost from someone with more knowledge of the lanes BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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BougieBitch posted:So presumably this is them following through on targeting vessels associated with Israel, right? I recall the first one that got targeted a little ways back was technically UK-based but ultimately owned by some Israeli magnate, is it the same story here or are they broadening their list of targets? The Red Sea terminates at the Suez Canal. Which is to say, it's one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. The Bab-el-Mandeb Strait aka the Gate of Grief is the entrance to the Red Sea right by Yemen, Djibouti, Eritrea etc. It has gotten little press even though many military powers are building naval bases in the immediate area. The ease at which the Houthis can mess with shipping highlights the area's importance.
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I wouldn’t really call any the three bulk carriers particularly Israeli linked. But then again we don’t know the charter parties, and they only very generally mention the owners and operators. Here’s the thing that links them. Bulk carriers are slow. Loaded they have a low freeboard and they might sink one with a good hit.
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I’d really like to know more about Yemen and “the houthis”. In the media, they are always referred to as “the Iran-backed Houthi rebels”, leading one to believe they are marginal guerillas propped up by a foreign power. But here they are firing ballistic missiles and conducting complex naval raids. Do “the houthis” at this point constitute the de facto Yemen state and military? Is there any article or podcast that goes into depth about Yemen without resorting to cheap propaganda?
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I’d really like to know more about Yemen and “the houthis”. In the media, they are always referred to as “the Iran-backed Houthi rebels”, leading one to believe they are marginal guerillas propped up by a foreign power. But here they are firing ballistic missiles and conducting complex naval raids. Do “the houthis” at this point constitute the de facto Yemen state and military? Is there any article or podcast that goes into depth about Yemen without resorting to cheap propaganda? wikipedia is a good start. they're the hill people of high-elevation yemen as opposed to a rival government in Aden. they've been in the news a lot the last decade because they won a war against saudi arabia, the UAE, and two puppet yemeni governments with US backing. it's probably the most brutal conflict this century, or just behind Ethiopia. they are battle-hardened and totally fearless, and very much say what they mean
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i say swears online posted:and very much say what they mean They sometimes make the argument that their flag motto does not literally say what they mean. Control of Yemen: it's complicated. This is a dated, 2020-era map. 
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I'm assuming like 80% of the population lives in that green area (the highlands, with arable land)
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Yemen spent much of the cold war split into North and South, in like a desert version of Vietnam. Both sides unified but the divide between the lowlands and highlands never went away and after whatshisface lost power in the Arab Spring no one was skilled enough to hold the country together. The Houthis would be their own thing even without Iranian support, they're just happy to take guns from the guys who oppose the people invading their* country.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I’d really like to know more about Yemen and “the houthis”. In the media, they are always referred to as “the Iran-backed Houthi rebels”, leading one to believe they are marginal guerillas propped up by a foreign power. But here they are firing ballistic missiles and conducting complex naval raids. Do “the houthis” at this point constitute the de facto Yemen state and military? Is there any article or podcast that goes into depth about Yemen without resorting to cheap propaganda? "The Houthis" are basically the historical state of North Yemen, which indeed had (and has) about 80% of the population of the theoretical territory of all of Yemen. This is a historical map of Yemen, which is basically the same as today's map of Yemen.  And North and South Yemen were also separate administrative divisions during the last century of Ottoman control -- which extended over North Yemen, but not South Yemen of which Britain nominally pulled the strings (although not really outside of Aden afaik) gradually between 1839 and WW1.  North and South Yemen were also separate divisions even when free of Ottoman control in the 18th century and prior to the British arrival, and North and South Yemen also have different religions. I don't know at what point, if any, they were historically connected for any serious length of time. As far as I can tell, the current borders between Houthi Yemen and Federal Yemen follow the North and South divisions which have stayed more or less the same for hundreds of years with small fluctuations, like the French-German border.
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the middle east: out of oil or Conserving?
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So far: Maersk Hapag-Lloyd MSC Mediterranean Shipping CMA CGM shipping companies have announced that they have ceased using the Suez Canal. This has various implications. One is that your sex arses might not make it to you by Christmas if you live in Europe. The other one is that Egypt is going to get pissed by this loss of income and ask for her allies to do something, probably. The alternative is that the North East Passage becomes more prominent, allowing Russia to cash in on the traffic.
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And for anyone that doesn't read the wiki, don't make the mistake of considering the Houthis to be an ethnic group. The name comes from a tribe, and they're name up predominantly of a given group from the region. But really it's more a political/religious group based on Shia Islam. And check out the Houthis flag with their slogan on it.
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Nenonen posted:So far: Maybe Egypt should do something about it. We've (the US) been selling them arms for decades. Although things didn't go too well for Egypt the last time they messed around in Yemen.
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Charliegrs posted:Maybe Egypt should do something about it. We've (the US) been selling them arms for decades. Although things didn't go too well for Egypt the last time they messed around in Yemen. Do you think that it's likely that Egypt can solve the situation by itself? I don't.
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Egypt isn't capable of doing much, and as was alluded to they already have a miserable history there.
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I guess the Saudis could intervene. Sounds like they'd make quick work of the Houthis.
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It's fresh ideas like that that we need!
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It's fresh ideas like that that we need!
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I think it's time for another proportional response
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I hope responsible parties in the region see what the houthis are doing and join them in an effort to pressure Israel to stop its genocide in Gaza
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