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Also I'm about to ask the real loving question: How does the Merkava compare to its equivalents in other militaries? It seems like you'd have to make major sacrifices in maneuverability, armor, speed, ammo capacity, operational range, etc. to have an MBT that also has space for passengers instead of just the crew.
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Chillgamesh posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but Israeli settlers are literally just marching into Palestinian lands and towns and driving them off right? Like literally Wild West America poo poo where the whites simply came in and shot up Indians or Mexicans to take their land? Even if they're not literally part of the Israeli military, I can't see that as anything other than an act of war when it's done at scale and Israel encourages it. i think sometimes they get court orders and phony documents to show themselves as true owners of the land, at least i remember one high profile case a few years ago that was like that.
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Dokapon Findom posted:Enough making GBS threads on Hamburger University. Where's your degree from, rear end in a top hat?? Snuckey University
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The difference between today and 1939 is that proto-fascism has become an accepted political truth in the whole western world, not just fragmented powers that missed most of the imperialism boat like Germany and Italy.
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Death By The Blues posted:They are seriously pissed they let in so many refugees in the last decade or so. They didn't have to destroy Syria and Libya as well as drive down their own wages domestically.
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Death By The Blues posted:Western/European powers will join this war if it spins out of control as a warning and a threat to their own internal black and brown population to warn them not to get too rebellious while also laying the ground work for their own fascism. They are seriously pissed they let in so many refugees in the last decade or so. I wouldn't count on Europe as being a decisive factor in all of this. Their militaries are glorified police forces at this point.
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Canned Sunshine posted:That's weird. I feel sad for the kids, but adult settlers? gently caress them, they knew what they were getting into "B-b-b-b-ut Manifest Destiny!  "
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ikanreed posted:The difference between today and 1939 is that proto-fascism has become an accepted political truth in the whole western world, not just fragmented powers that missed most of the imperialism boat like Germany and Italy. Proto fascism was accepted everywhere tbh.
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say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least they were efficient, at least they were selling something
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Chillgamesh posted:Also I'm about to ask the real loving question: How does the Merkava compare to its equivalents in other militaries? It seems like you'd have to make major sacrifices in maneuverability, armor, speed, ammo capacity, operational range, etc. to have an MBT that also has space for passengers instead of just the crew. The passenger space is primarily used for ammo. Overall it's a decent if slow design, with modular armor blocks containing plenty of NERA. Probably goig to start showing up with cope cages
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Chillgamesh posted:Also I'm about to ask the real loving question: How does the Merkava compare to its equivalents in other militaries? It seems like you'd have to make major sacrifices in maneuverability, armor, speed, ammo capacity, operational range, etc. to have an MBT that also has space for passengers instead of just the crew. So I was talking about this in the Ukraine thread but the shortest answer is that the IDF has a military doctrine where every Jewish life is precious, and that overrides pretty much everything else. Which means, they don't care about maneuverability, operational range etc. if those things risk Israeli casualties. They're neurotically casualty avoidant for ideological reasons that get dark pretty fast. Also, it seems like SOP has been to fill the rear of the Merkava with extra ammo, and we saw some spectacular explosions as a result when Hamas destroyed them.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/denise_dewald/status/1713590342031663195?t=DOzvft3vGgwHJkZwhNcbqQ&s=19 Can’t recognize pogroms and industrialized genocide happening in real time. I pray she can’t recognize Covid symptoms either.
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sleeptalker posted:I hope Israel nukes the USA, and only the USA. it would be extremely funny for our defenses to be useless against some state we assume would be our bff I cannot stress how funny that would be, at least three consecutive Suez shutdowns, possibly as many as five
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jezz! https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1713602154802405623
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least they were efficient, at least they were selling something what the gently caress is she even talking about
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least they were efficient, at least they were selling something dictatorship of the proletariate now
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Someone posted earlier about Ursula's uncritical support to Israel (don't have plat so can't search) so far. She does not speak for the European Foreign affairs Council. High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Josep Borrel, does  https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/video/I-247171 30'20'' is the query relevant ttt. 
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least they were efficient, at least they were selling something Free Parking
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least they were efficient, at least they were selling something "There's nothing in it for us if we help the Palestinians, so I guess they can all be genocided".
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BrotherJayne posted:The passenger space is primarily used for ammo. Frosted Flake posted:So I was talking about this in the Ukraine thread but the shortest answer is that the IDF has a military doctrine where every Jewish life is precious, and that overrides pretty much everything else. Which means, they don't care about maneuverability, operational range etc. if those things risk Israeli casualties. So you're telling me they just have boxes of tank shells rolling around in the backs of their tanks...? Isn't that why the Sherman had a reputation for immolating its crews in WW2, because they'd just carry spare ammo wherever they could fit it?
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/denise_dewald/status/1713590342031663195?t=DOzvft3vGgwHJkZwhNcbqQ&s=19 How does Denise explain Irgun, Lehi and Revisionist Zionism in general? 
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Chillgamesh posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but Israeli settlers are literally just marching into Palestinian lands and towns and driving them off right? Like literally Wild West America poo poo where the whites simply came in and shot up Indians or Mexicans to take their land? Even if they're not literally part of the Israeli military, I can't see that as anything other than an act of war when it's done at scale and Israel encourages it. This has been going on for decades, yes. Every single settler is fully aware of, and an active participant in, the fact that the land they live on, the houses they live in, and the goods they possess are forcefully taken from palestinians either through murder or dislocation. Every single adult settler is a legitimate war target.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISs0AwztGQ&t=303s I found the best guy.
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Chillgamesh posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but Israeli settlers are literally just marching into Palestinian lands and towns and driving them off right? Like literally Wild West America poo poo where the whites simply came in and shot up Indians or Mexicans to take their land? Even if they're not literally part of the Israeli military, I can't see that as anything other than an act of war when it's done at scale and Israel encourages it. Yeah. Even recently, settlers go in and just take houses either by force or when the residents are out. Even when the residents have their own house keys. It’s hosed.
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Chillgamesh posted:So you're telling me they just have boxes of tank shells rolling around in the backs of their tanks...? Isn't that why the Sherman had a reputation for immolating its crews in WW2, because they'd just carry spare ammo wherever they could fit it? Well, they're on purpose built racks that fold down into seats or stretcher spaces... but yeah E: and that's why the wet storage Shermans do so well, all the storage was well placed and had jackets of anti fire start fluid mix
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Chillgamesh posted:So you're telling me they just have boxes of tank shells rolling around in the backs of their tanks...? Isn't that why the Sherman had a reputation for immolating its crews in WW2, because they'd just carry spare ammo wherever they could fit it? Yep. They're on ready racks.
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Pookah posted:Is anyone surprised by this being explicitly confirmed? This is pretty much how war propaganda has always worked (humanize the “good guys,” dehumanize the “bad guys”), we just have the language and communication networks to call it out en masse now
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Zodium posted:i don't know man, right now my perspective is abject sorrow. I feel this
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