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Even reviewers playing with beyond the recommended specs are saying that past 50k population the game becomes unplayable as the simulation starts to hitch and you have to point the camera at the ground to not have single digit fps.
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mfcrocker posted:It seems like the review embargo has lifted, and mostly folks are having problems with it being a bit of a step back from fully fledged CS1 is any of this because of like, the same problem CK3 had where obviously a brand new game isn't on day 1 gonna be as full as the previous game with 5+ years of DLC and enhancements
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Tatsuta Age posted:is any of this because of like, the same problem CK3 had where obviously a brand new game isn't on day 1 gonna be as full as the previous game with 5+ years of DLC and enhancements Well yeah. It's Paradox's business model.
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Tatsuta Age posted:is any of this because of like, the same problem CK3 had where obviously a brand new game isn't on day 1 gonna be as full as the previous game with 5+ years of DLC and enhancements Yes a lot of it is that. I'm not surprised it's the case personally, but I also don't have any problems with reviewers going "this is horseshit and I don't want to play without XYZ from CS1"
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not going to be purchasing CS2 until CO brings back the garbage bandaid implementation of the park/industry/campus zone mechanic and the useless fishing boats
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Tatsuta Age posted:is any of this because of like, the same problem CK3 had where obviously a brand new game isn't on day 1 gonna be as full as the previous game with 5+ years of DLC and enhancements The community is also VERY dependent on mods, and while CO did integrate the functionality of some of the mods, they didn't do all of them. Stuff like MoveIt and Anarchy. The upside is I imagine those mods will exist for CS2 like, 2 hours after it launches. If that. Assuming the new mod platform works?
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Vahakyla posted:Buy the drat game. It'll run fine. And it'll look great going forward when your computers get better.
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turn off the TV posted:not going to be purchasing CS2 until CO brings back the garbage bandaid implementation of the park/industry/campus zone mechanic and the useless fishing boats
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Omnicarus posted:Even reviewers playing with beyond the recommended specs are saying that past 50k population the game becomes unplayable as the simulation starts to hitch and you have to point the camera at the ground to not have single digit fps. Why the games must have poop agents these days? Why isn’t a simulation on a level of sim city 2000 enough?
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Ihmemies posted:Why the games must have poop agents these days? Why isn’t a simulation on a level of sim city 2000 enough? The issue isn't the simulation. The issue is the intense gpu load that no card currently on the market can handle. Play on low settings. https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Cities-Skylines-2-Spiel-74219/Tests/Release-Benchmarks-Performance-Tuning-Tipps-1431613/
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if pointing at the ground fixes it then it's obviously not simulation load its rendering load.
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MikeC posted:The issue isn't the simulation. The issue is the intense gpu load that no card currently on the market can handle. 4090 produces sub 40fps at 1080p? Yeah no I’ll pass thanks.
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Ihmemies posted:4090 produces sub 40fps at 1080p? Yeah no I’ll pass thanks. there's no real way of knowing if they were running the game at 1080p, the in game resolution selection apparently doesn't work
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Tatsuta Age posted:is any of this because of like, the same problem CK3 had where obviously a brand new game isn't on day 1 gonna be as full as the previous game with 5+ years of DLC and enhancements It's not a brand new game, it's a sequel. Do you think they threw all the old code in the bin?
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even if a specific feature was going to have literally the exact same mechanics in CS2, I guarantee you enough other stuff has changed as to require at least a 70-80% rewrite of that code and it would not surprise me at all if it was a 100% rewrite
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turn off the TV posted:there's no real way of knowing if they were running the game at 1080p, the in game resolution selection apparently doesn't work Not great for 4K either. My 3080 will run it at 10-20fps then without dlss.
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VostokProgram posted:even if a specific feature was going to have literally the exact same mechanics in CS2, I guarantee you enough other stuff has changed as to require at least a 70-80% rewrite of that code and it would not surprise me at all if it was a 100% rewrite Extremely unlikely
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Tarnop posted:Extremely unlikely it's actually extremely likely because there's no way that CS2 could have unlimited agents otherwise
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More games just copy paste code from the older games. It's bullshit that sequels take so long these days. Lazy bastards.
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Cygni posted:The community is also VERY dependent on mods, and while CO did integrate the functionality of some of the mods, they didn't do all of them. Stuff like MoveIt and Anarchy. The upside is I imagine those mods will exist for CS2 like, 2 hours after it launches. If that. Assuming the new mod platform works? Sounds like the new mod platform will no be operational on launch.
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Well, this sounds like another unfinished game launching unfinished. Shame, I think the best bet is to just wait or play on game pass.
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Yeah... going to wait to see CPP's big test but the performance seems worse than I expected. I figured it wouldn't run well on most machines but those of us dumb enough to build a new one in the past year or two would be fine. I was not expecting "it kinda struggles on a 4090".
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Lord Packinham posted:Well, this sounds like another unfinished game launching unfinished. Shame, I think the best bet is to just wait or play on game pass. Fairly typical these days, sadly. I'm actually not that concerned for the future though. I haven't heard much if any complaining about bugs and crashes, so to me it sounds like this is actually a solid foundation to build on. If it was buggy and unoptimized I'd say that'd be a huge red flag, but to me it seems like they're launching with a bunch of new features that couldn't have been done without substantial changes to the old game, and those new features actually work as intended. That's not a bad place to start optimizing from. It's much harder to do optimization if you also have to try to fix or work around broken poo poo all the time. It still remains to be seen though how much and how quickly they can optimize.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Sounds like the new mod platform will no be operational on launch. Woof, i thought it was gonna be up by next week. Yeah i might hold off a bit too... if I have any self control.
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As is this isn't going to run on current gen consoles worth a poo poo, so hopefully the optimization they're doing for that before the console release will make it perform much better on PC too.
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C:S isn’t a particularly pretty franchise either so if these performances issues are real and widespread, it’s gonna feel like another Starfield.
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My hunch would be that the console delay is not for polishing but because at its current performance it didn't run at anything but Very Low without thermally crashing the box.
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idk why paradox went this route for saying you can remake the city of cyberpunk 2077 i don't think it being a trashfire release was what they had in mind
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Omnicarus posted:Even reviewers playing with beyond the recommended specs are saying that past 50k population the game becomes unplayable as the simulation starts to hitch and you have to point the camera at the ground to not have single digit fps. In light of UE5's Nanite and the trillion triangles it renders at 60fps, static assets surely can't be the issue.
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Isn't Nanite only performant for truly static geometry, like completely baked into the scene at development time? CS2 buildings are static but they aren't that static, they appear and disappear and can be moved at any time. e: I agree that smarter culling would be good, but since I'm guessing most players want to be able to see cars even on a far away road I think they'll have to use aggressive LODs instead Yaoi Gagarin fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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it's fine. i'll still eat their slop
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Combat Pretzel posted:That sounds like a stupid implementation problem. Looking down just culls stuff for the GPU to render, the agent simulation still runs regardless. So they have just stop setting up and rendering agents no one cares about (cars and people), that'll probably be less than a pixel tall on screen anyway. it's 50k based on the size of the city and all the poo poo that's rendering, not 50k pop of agents
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Doesn't the video say that an empty but big city runs a lot better than one with agents, which suggests it is either agent based or the rendering of the agents which is causing it.
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OwlFancier posted:Doesn't the video say that an empty but big city runs a lot better than one with agents, which suggests it is either agent based or the rendering of the agents which is causing it. it sounds like it's a GPU and VRAM bottleneck, not a CPU one, so I really doubt that it's got anything to do with the actual simulation of the agents
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