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ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
I genuinely, outside of the handful of games that are straight borked or unavailable (and that's largely by developer and / or publisher choice at this juncture), don't get why anyone would look at windows as a gaming platform with anything less than complete distain.

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homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Inertia and not knowing how much better the better choice is

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.


ConanThe3rd posted:

I genuinely, outside of the handful of games that are straight borked or unavailable (and that's largely by developer and / or publisher choice at this juncture), don't get why anyone would look at windows as a gaming platform with anything less than complete distain.

Buddy as I'm on day 3 of trying to get this Linux desktop done and working, I can think of a few reasons

Badly Jester
Apr 9, 2010


Bitches!
Skill issue, which circles back to inertia.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

That is a nice size screen on the Lenovo Legion Go though.

It also has faster ram which could help a lot in some more demanding games.

But also windows

But it also has usb c on the top and bottom

MarcusSA fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Oct 25, 2023

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Valve should strip out all the parts of Windows that I don’t like and keep all the parts of windows that makes games work and then use that

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

jokes posted:

Valve should strip out all the parts of Windows that I don’t like and keep all the parts of windows that makes games work and then use that

I don't see how that makes Microsoft any subscription or advertising revenue.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Only real nice thing about Windows is OneDrive integration to make shared saves easier. Deck has some options to sync across the network but I haven't seen a good live cloud option for non steam games yet.

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

Medullah posted:

Only real nice thing about Windows is OneDrive integration to make shared saves easier. Deck has some options to sync across the network but I haven't seen a good live cloud option for non steam games yet.

Oh yeah you mean one drive that will make folders read only and prevent savegames from being written correctly, gotcha

Fucking Moron
Jan 9, 2009

I just bought a dock and plan on using my deck in desktop mode to install mods for new vegas and Starfield.

Anyone have any suggestions on a cheap but good monitor to use?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Jack-Off Lantern posted:

Oh yeah you mean one drive that will make folders read only and prevent savegames from being written correctly, gotcha

*shrug* I've been using it for years to share emulator saves between 3 different computers.

Good Will Hrunting
Oct 8, 2012

I changed my mind.
I'm not sorry.

ConanThe3rd posted:

I genuinely, outside of the handful of games that are straight borked or unavailable (and that's largely by developer and / or publisher choice at this juncture), don't get why anyone would look at windows as a gaming platform with anything less than complete distain.

It's not about Windows as much as the very large gulf in hardware quality. As others pointed out, that screen is very nice and the internals are a pretty big jump. But yeah I have no idea what the issues are so I'll have to dig.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

MarcusSA posted:

That is a nice size screen on the Lenovo Legion Go though.

It also has faster ram which could help a lot in some more demanding games.

But also windows

But it also has usb c on the top and bottom

You're going to buy it aren't you.

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004

I've been playing the new Ghostbusters game on Steam Deck and it works perfectly. It's really fun to just pick up and play, and being the ghost vs being the Ghostbuster keeps it fresh. There are always people playing it too, thanks to crossplay. Zero complaints, recommended!

Nefarious 2.0
Apr 22, 2008

Offense is overrated anyway.

ConanThe3rd posted:

I genuinely, outside of the handful of games that are straight borked or unavailable (and that's largely by developer and / or publisher choice at this juncture), don't get why anyone would look at windows as a gaming platform with anything less than complete distain.

to find how much better linux is, you have to talk to a linux guy without immediately zoning out and thinking about somthing more pleasant; a task nigh impossible

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I've realised that I have a dock from a few years back gathering dust so I'm going to give my Deck a go with it, obviously it's not designed to hold the Deck but I'd still be using that as the controller. Hopefully my Switch works with it as well so I have a decent travel option for both.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



I for one think of the tendency of Linux software to come with instructions like "Step 1: Compile everything yourself via 50 command line prompts" as an advantage to Windows.

The Steam Deck itself is very cool though.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


The thing about Linux on the Deck is that there's a million of them, all exactly alike, so you finally have a Linux environment where you don't have to figure out everything by yourself because someone probably has done it before and the solution will work on your device as well. It's p. ironic that all you need to make open source a really viable proposition for idiots like me is for a single manufacturer to introduce a hardware standard to follow.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Linux is only ever better in specialised situations, hence why it's always used on point of sale terminals and media players. Or even, game consoles. It's only really when you're trying to use it as a primary desktop OS that you start to rage about what inevitably happens when Linux Guys are put in charge of a user experience.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Vic posted:

You're going to buy it aren't you.

NO! (Probably yes after some review watching though).

I’m really interested in how the screen handles scaling. No VRR sucks though.

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

Commander Keene posted:

I for one think of the tendency of Linux software to come with instructions like "Step 1: Compile everything yourself via 50 command line prompts" as an advantage to Windows.

The Steam Deck itself is very cool though.

the "50 command line prompts" in question:

Nefarious 2.0
Apr 22, 2008

Offense is overrated anyway.

hbag posted:

the "50 command line prompts" in question:



I didn't know I could program my deck to make money. hell yeah let's get them bills

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




ConanThe3rd posted:

I genuinely, outside of the handful of games that are straight borked or unavailable (and that's largely by developer and / or publisher choice at this juncture), don't get why anyone would look at windows as a gaming platform with anything less than complete distain.

VR. It just really isnt there on any non-windows OS yet

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

??? Quest???

Good Will Hrunting
Oct 8, 2012

I changed my mind.
I'm not sorry.
Can someone in like 2 sentences TLDR me on the big deal around "compatibility" and "ease of use" everyone raves about on the Deck vs a potential Windows competitor? I'm a PC person and have never had real problems with any Windows gaming. Is it a console driver support thing?

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Good Will Hrunting posted:

Can someone in like 2 sentences TLDR me on the big deal around "compatibility" and "ease of use" everyone raves about on the Deck vs a potential Windows competitor? I'm a PC person and have never had real problems with any Windows gaming. Is it a console driver support thing?

i think one of the big advantages is that because steamdeck is fixed hardware, you can crowdsource pre-cached shaders for basically everything the way a console would. solves a lot of GPU compilation stutter. the other thing is the steam controller mapping is excellent. the OS is specifically designed for playing games

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




That and (so far) Valve give a poo poo about updating it whereas most OEMs don’t bother updating a drat thing once a device is out the door.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I will never, ever, install a program by typing poo poo into a terminal window. Stop suggesting it, software devs, and just put a clickable button that says “download”.

hbag
Feb 13, 2021

big fan of toolbars are we

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Good Will Hrunting posted:

Can someone in like 2 sentences TLDR me on the big deal around "compatibility" and "ease of use" everyone raves about on the Deck vs a potential Windows competitor? I'm a PC person and have never had real problems with any Windows gaming. Is it a console driver support thing?

Also installing and running a game is just a lot different on the deck because of SteamOS.

Yeah you can essentially setup the same thing on windows but you have to do that yourself but on the deck it’s already done for you out of the box.

The deck has one system update vs windows having like 15 of them (GPU, system, and windows updates).

Shart Carbuncle
Aug 4, 2004

Star Trek:
The Motion Picture

History Comes Inside! posted:

That and (so far) Valve give a poo poo about updating it whereas most OEMs don’t bother updating a drat thing once a device is out the door.

This is why the Asus ROG Ally is not even remotely tempting for me. I have one of their gaming laptops, and their lovely "Armory Crate" software that they use to manage all their custom stuff is a massive piece of poo poo. Every so often they do something to break it, and it can take months for them to fix their mess.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

it really does impress me how a tech company will have a program be the sole way their consumers have an active interaction with the brand and they dont seem to make it a priority to make the program good

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Shart Carbuncle posted:

This is why the Asus ROG Ally is not even remotely tempting for me. I have one of their gaming laptops, and their lovely "Armory Crate" software that they use to manage all their custom stuff is a massive piece of poo poo. Every so often they do something to break it, and it can take months for them to fix their mess.
At the end of the day all these janky rear end frontends they put over Windows to make it more usable on a device of this form factor still have Windows under them. Like they put no effort into it but also you really have your work cut out for you if you're making a Windows handheld.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Beve Stuscemi posted:

VR. It just really isnt there on any non-windows OS yet

The most widely sold and used VR platform(s), by very wide margins, run a Linux derivative called Android, basically.

(I made the call to deprioritize Mac and Linux for the first Rift release, though, and I stand by that decision even though those are my preferred operating systems)

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Right, I am clearly talking PC VR, a thing you would need windows for on the Deck (not that it could really run it anyway), or any PC for that matter

Obviously the OS that ships on a standalone headset can run said headset

vaginite
Feb 8, 2006

I'm comin' for you, colonel.



What's the consensus good steam deck dock? I've heard mixed reviews on the official one. I want to hook up a dance pad to it and play stepmania, and being able to set up a little station in a spare room that I could hook my deck into would make my life a lot easier.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
Generally speaking any given dock will work fine. Really your choice is between about 40 bucks using your own charger or 100 to get valves and get a second charger.

That said, if you're using StepMania you might want to look into a dock that allows you to add some m2 SSD memory. Or a Beefy Micro SD Card, ether works.

Man, I should get back into StepMania.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

vaginite posted:

What's the consensus good steam deck dock? I've heard mixed reviews on the official one. I want to hook up a dance pad to it and play stepmania, and being able to set up a little station in a spare room that I could hook my deck into would make my life a lot easier.

Anything with power pass through and 1080p60 output will be fine.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo

jokes posted:

I will never, ever, install a program by typing poo poo into a terminal window. Stop suggesting it, software devs, and just put a clickable button that says “download”.

On the other hand, as a person that did database/server management I see two lines in a terminal and go "that's all I have to type to get free performance?!"

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haldolium
Oct 22, 2016



Shart Carbuncle posted:

This is why the Asus ROG Ally is not even remotely tempting for me. I have one of their gaming laptops, and their lovely "Armory Crate" software that they use to manage all their custom stuff is a massive piece of poo poo. Every so often they do something to break it, and it can take months for them to fix their mess.

seems to be an unwritten law that 3rd party hw manufacturers Software must suck. Like all of them, buy a 300€ Mainboard to get the worst hischool grade rear end Software for it

even tools that work have the worst UI

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