3 Action Economist posted:

In addition to that, though, you are supposed to add it any time the Dying value increases, such as taking more damage or failing a recovery check. So you'd be at Dying 2, then if you take persistent bleed, it would increase Dying, adding your wounded to that makes it go to Dying 4, and voila, dead PC.

Vanguard Warden posted:

Uh, that definitely wasn't how my group understood those rules. It also just doesn't really make sense, wounded 1 or wounded 2 would be pretty much the same thing; either way you die to one failed check or tick of damage after going down.

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If you gain the dying condition while wounded, increase the dying condition’s value by your wounded value.

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Any time you gain the dying condition or increase it for any reason, add your wounded value to the amount you gain or increase your dying value.

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Any time you gain the dying condition or increase it, add your wounded value to the amount.

Jarvisi posted:

Disarm is getting buffed! And a ton of other changes I really want to dig into. Aaa.

Andrast posted:

I like that they made my disarm houserule official

Mister Olympus posted:

One action to swap a held item with a carried item is a gigantic game changer for some builds

Dick Burglar posted:

The disarm rule change sounds pretty great, especially since IIRC re-gripping has the manipulate trait, so it provokes AOOs/reactive strikes. Either risk getting walloped or stay flat-footed forever. Especially if you have a thaumaturge with a paragon weapon implement where any hit interrupts the action rather than just crits (I assume fighters have a way to get that too, but I don't know fighters very well). You can basically prevent the foe from ever turning off flat-footed, and punish them anytime they try. Admittedly, though, that only comes online at level 17. But, that's still a level earlier than the feat that lets rogues sneak attack stuff that's immune to sneak attacks!

James Jacobs posted:

Dominant religion ≠ only religion. Other faiths being persecuted is/was more a Po Li thing than an everywhere thing.

And in a "backwater" (as it was regarded by Lung Wa) like Willowshore, things got fuzzy and older religions continued to be practiced. In this particular case, the construction of a cathedral to Pharasma was built/financed by Lung Wa for 2 primary reasons—to appeal to local longstanding traditions among a populace that was already marginalized and deemed a "backwater", but also because Pharasma's influence (and that of her faith) is understood to be a potent tool against undead and the spread of undeath.

In Willowshore, as in many parts of Shenmen and other "fringe" areas on the outskirts of the Lung Wa empire where the empire's influence wasn't as overwhelming, other religions were more common.

After the fall of Lung Wa, these old ways came back strong.

Dick Burglar posted:

I haven't heard about this rule change. Does this make swapping from a ranged weapon to a melee weapon (without dropping the ranged weapon) a one-action affair, instead of two (1-action stow, 1-action draw)? Does that interact with the Quick Draw feat in any way?

3 Action Economist posted:

so far I love everything (except that clarification on dying).

3 Action Economist posted:

Yeah I've never seen anyone run it this way, and largely because Wounded just says:

But the GM screen says:

And the Wounded condition card similarly says:

I definitely don't think I'll be playing it that way, because that's just asking for a lot of dead PCs. And it's weird to me, too, that we've gone through 4 errata printings and it was never addressed until this Remaster.

Facebook Aunt posted:

I've watched actual plays GM'd by Jason Bulmahn that used the first one, not the GM screen one. When a player came back from Dying 2 they were Wounded 1. When they went down again they came back at Wounded 2. That doesn't necessarily mean that's the rule, dude has several playtest versions of the rules in his head at any time and sometimes makes mistakes, but it seems pretty likely that's the rule as intended.

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Wounded going up each time you're knocked unconscious is a good rule. It makes it so that, unlike games like 5e, waiting to heal people until after they go down isn't always the optimal strategy. There's a real risk to it.

But having someone at Dying 3 come back at Wounded 3 after a single down would be pretty harsh. I can see it as a variant rule for peeps who want a tense survival game, but I can't see it as the default rule for newbies.

Facebook Aunt posted:

I've watched actual plays GM'd by Jason Bulmahn that used the first one, not the GM screen one. When a player came back from Dying 2 they were Wounded 1. When they went down again they came back at Wounded 2. That doesn't necessarily mean that's the rule, dude has several playtest versions of the rules in his head at any time and sometimes makes mistakes, but it seems pretty likely that's the rule as intended.

Wounded going up each time you're knocked unconscious is a good rule. It makes it so that, unlike games like 5e, waiting to heal people until after they go down isn't always the optimal strategy. There's a real risk to it.

But having someone at Dying 3 come back at Wounded 3 after a single down would be pretty harsh. I can see it as a variant rule for peeps who want a tense survival game, but I can't see it as the default rule for newbies.

3 Action Economist posted:

That is the rule. What's been clarified is that, if you fail your recovery check or take more damage while dying, you increase your dying value by 1 plus your wounded value.

Jen X posted:

my question is whether doomed got changed/clarified too

DOOMED posted:

Your life is ebbing away, bringing you ever closer to death. Some powerful spells and evil creatures can inflict the doomed condition on you. Doomed always includes a value. The maximum dying value at which you die is reduced by your doomed value. For example, if you were doomed 1, you would die upon reaching dying 3 instead of dying 4. If your maximum dying value is ever reduced to 0, you instantly die. When you die, you’re no longer doomed.

Your doomed value decreases by 1 each time you get a full night’s rest.

3 Action Economist posted:

Kyrosiris posted:

"When you die, you're no longer doomed." always makes me laugh.

Hunter Noventa posted:

Given some of the stupid arguments people had about being dead in past editions, I'm not surprised they made it very clear there.

3 Action Economist posted:

Got my PDFs today, gonna take some reading but so far I love everything (except that clarification on dying).

Dick Burglar posted:

From my read, that rule change seems like it devalues the Quick Draw feat a lot. Most combats you're going to be allowed to start with weapons in-hand, so you usually won't be spending an action to draw your weapon. So as long as you're not surprised, you can spend one action to swap melee/ranged weapon and then use your other two actions to attack or do whatever. With Quick Draw, if you started combat with a weapon already drawn, you have to drop the weapon to take advantage of the extra action economy. Otherwise, it does nothing.

It's overall a good change, but that's a poor way to write how it functions with Quick Draw. It's a net-plus for everybody because burning two of your three actions to swap the poo poo in your hands feels really bad, but I'm inclined to just skip taking Quick Draw on classes who it's available to. I guess dual wielders still gain some benefit from Quick Draw since they have to spend another action to draw their second weapon, but it's become a lot more of a niche feat.

VikingofRock posted:

I saw that casting all spells now require you to talk. Did they do anything to clarify whether this means that casting spells has the Auditory trait or not? (My table rules that it does; I just wish this was more clear.)

Lurks With Wolves posted:

Auditory effects also only affect creatures that can hear them, so... yeah, it probably shouldn't apply to every spell.

VikingofRock posted:

The way we handle this is saying that the Cast a Spell activity is Auditory, but the spell itself isn't. But yeah, this sort of thing is exactly why I think it would be nice to have some clarification here.

Harold Fjord posted:

Auditory
Source Core Rulebook pg. 629 4.0
Auditory actions and effects rely on sound. An action with the auditory trait can be successfully performed only if the creature using the action can speak or otherwise produce the required sounds. A spell or effect with the auditory trait has its effect only if the target can hear it. This applies only to sound-based parts of the effect, as determined by the GM. This is different from a sonic effect, which still affects targets who can't hear it (such as deaf targets) as long as the effect itself makes sound.


It's the right RAW way to do it.

VikingofRock posted:

I saw that casting all spells now require you to talk. Did they do anything to clarify whether this means that casting spells has the Auditory trait or not? (My table rules that it does; I just wish this was more clear.)