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zoux posted:When did WGN stop broadcasting Cubs games ABC7 (OTA) and Comcast SportsNet/NBC Sports Chicago had been taking some games for years, I don't remember exactly when that started. 2008? And then they launched the Marquee RSN for the 2020 season.
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https://twitter.com/dennistlin/status/1719444267414999390 Gotta get some of that sweet Angels magic.
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Mike Shildt seems like the guy to get of that bunch, lol at Phil Nevin.
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 Halloween is over, pack it in other couples-costumes
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Expansion and wanting to see more games with starters capable of going seven innings are pretty diametrically opposed given the talent dilution that will happen.
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Shrecknet posted:
yeah halloween was yesterday dude
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Well Played Mauer posted:Expansion and wanting to see more games with starters capable of going seven innings are pretty diametrically opposed given the talent dilution that will happen. Dudes can go 6-7, they're just gonna get lit the gently caress up.
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On behalf of the Phillies I have just agreed to trade Turner and Castellanos for salary cap relief. I will now take questions .
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Shrecknet posted:
Thanks for reminding me to put that tweet in the OP
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Why is Manfred so interested in preserving the sanctity of the starting pitcher?
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General Dog posted:Why is Manfred so interested in preserving the sanctity of the starting pitcher? ...Because name-brand starting pitchers are both more fun and more marketable than a parade of anonymous openers and relievers who go through the order once then get pulled before the other lineup gets a good look at them? I mean, this seems pretty obvious. Would you rather dream on your team's top pitching prospect being the next Verlander or Cole, or nod in satisfication that he's got three good innings in him every five days?
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General Dog posted:Why is Manfred so interested in preserving the sanctity of the starting pitcher? Gambling most likely
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General Dog posted:Why is Manfred so interested in preserving the sanctity of the starting pitcher? I think there is something to the notion that if baseball is ever going to be able to draw eyeballs by advertising stars, the way other sports do--Mahomes vs. Allen! Giannis vs. Jokic! Crosby vs. Ovechkin!--the only reasonable way to do it is with starting pitchers. You can't really splash headlines with Betts vs. Acuna! the same way because they each only take part in a small fraction of the game. You can advertise "Don't miss tonight's game, it's Blake Snell against Zac Gallen!"... but not really, if they're only going to go 5 innings and both be long gone if the game's ever hanging in the balance. I don't personally subscribe very hard to that line of thought. But it is legitimate logic. But to answer your actual question, why Manfred cares: starting pitchers being more involved is probably better for gambling interests.
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I wonder where Cody is going to live when he signs his 10 year deal with the Cubs.
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bravesword posted:...Because name-brand starting pitchers are both more fun and more marketable than a parade of anonymous openers and relievers who go through the order once then get pulled before the other lineup gets a good look at them? I mean, this seems pretty obvious. Would you rather dream on your team's top pitching prospect being the next Verlander or Cole, or nod in satisfication that he's got three good innings in him every five days? It just feels somewhat retrograde for baseball to try to put up all of these guardrails to stifle teams experimenting and optimizing. Especially when it's ultimately at the expense of player health. These roster caps on pitchers are expressly about "pitchers are too good right now because they're not being worn down enough over the course of the season."
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its baseball, we dont need to experiment. Leagues actions recently, including the pitch clock, seem to be an effort to make old "unwritten" rules written so that historical norms are respected. Which is fine. I know the unwritten pitch clock rules were written before and ignored.
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euphronius posted:Gambling most likely at this point I just assume it's always gambling related. I loving love openers and bullpen games, but I also loved the shift and want to see teams do whatever it takes to gain an edge and win that isn't cheating they get caught for. so I am probably not the opinion Manfred gives a drat about, especially because I strongly dislike interleague play
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HATE interleague, I only want to have to think about the other league for the WS.
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zoux posted:HATE interleague, I only want to have to think about the other league for the WS.  I remember as a youngster when it began my dad said that it was wrong and goes against what the Series is about and then when they instituted the one game suspension for pitchers hitting guys in retaliation WOW was he upset. glad I got raised in a conservative household (for baseball) where I learned things like Bob Gibson was always right and that guy shouldn't have dug in if he didn't want to get hit and sacrifice bunts are very cool
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idk y'all, the first official interleague series between the Astros and the Yankees involved the Astros doing a 6 pitcher combined no hitter in Yankee stadium and that's pretty cool.
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maffew buildings posted:
One of my all time favorite baseball quotes is from Don Drysdale, asked about the intentional walk: "Why waste four pitches when one will do?"
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I wonder how the MLBPA reacts to idea to drop pitchers down to 12 per team. Does that come with an extra bench slot to maintain 26 man rosters? There suddenly being 30 less pitching jobs available seems like it would be a big deal.
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Are roster sizes bargainable ? I don’t know
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bawfuls posted:Teams train max effort velocity because it works. Counterpoint: The Phillies' bullpen
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Pobrecito posted:I wonder how the MLBPA reacts to idea to drop pitchers down to 12 per team. Does that come with an extra bench slot to maintain 26 man rosters? There suddenly being 30 less pitching jobs available seems like it would be a big deal. Roster size would still be 26, but you are correct: the MLBPA will Not Like It, because it puts 30 of their current members out of work and they constitutionally do not care about the 30 nonmembers that will become members. Presumably MLB's response will be "expansion will add 52 jobs" but expansion is a whooooole different kettle o' fish so who knows.
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Pobrecito posted:I wonder how the MLBPA reacts to idea to drop pitchers down to 12 per team. Does that come with an extra bench slot to maintain 26 man rosters? There suddenly being 30 less pitching jobs available seems like it would be a big deal. just have everyone be a two-way player, problem solved
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Roster limits by position are stupid, just let the teams have 15 pitchers if they want to
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Never going to cut strikeout rates much unless you limit the number of pitchers a team can use to a number low enough where every pitcher throwing every pitch at 100% max effort is no longer sustainable
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Eric the Mauve posted:Never going to cut strikeout rates much unless you limit the number of pitchers a team can use to a number low enough where every pitcher throwing every pitch at 100% max effort is no longer sustainable Artificially limiting the number of pitchers on the roster isn't going to stop guys from throwing max effort or being coached to throw max effort. It's just going to lead to loads of injuries and teams playing a constant pitcher shuffling game with 15-day IL stints. If you wanna cut K rates then shrink the zone and lower/move back the mound.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Never going to cut strikeout rates much unless you limit the number of pitchers a team can use to a number low enough where every pitcher throwing every pitch at 100% max effort is no longer sustainable This is the goal, yes. It would be easier if they killed the zombie runner and made extra innings a real threat to precise workload management, but that's never going to happen. As for pitcher health, pitchers are going to get hurt no matter what you do. And I haven't seen any evidence that max-effort in shorter stints is any better on your arm than the alternative.
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Oh yeah that's the other thing: limiting the number if pitchers on the roster is a laughable waste of time if you don't do away with the Triple-A shuttle.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Roster size would still be 26, but you are correct: the MLBPA will Not Like It, because it puts 30 of their current members out of work and they constitutionally do not care about the 30 nonmembers that will become members.
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bravesword posted:This is the goal, yes. It would be easier if they killed the zombie runner and made extra innings a real threat to precise workload management, but that's never going to happen.
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Popete posted:Mike Shildt seems like the guy to get of that bunch, lol at Phil Nevin. Shildt actually seemed very competent but sucked at getting along with his bosses. Phil Nevin is a dope who shouldn't be in charge of anything. Check his Twitter likes if you needed confirmation that he's a massive chud.
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Ban a pitcher from leaving the game unless he's hurt imo. If you can't gut out 13 innings and 235 pitches thrown are you even trying?
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Red posted:Shildt actually seemed very competent but sucked at getting along with his bosses. He has to feel a little vindicated with Jeff Albert jumping ship and Marmol being a lovely manager.
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I was anti 13- or 14-man pitching staffs due to endless LOOGY/ROOGY use but with the three batter minimum I don’t really care that much any more. Openers are fine. Protecting a guy from the third time through the order is fine. It stinks if you’re in a fantasy league that counts wins or quality starts, but just change the categories if you want.
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Bregor posted:I was anti 13- or 14-man pitching staffs due to endless LOOGY/ROOGY use but with the three batter minimum I don’t really care that much any more. Openers are fine. Protecting a guy from the third time through the order is fine. I agree with all of this. The three batter minimum for mid inning pitching changes is great. Now if we could get rid of the new inning > pinch hitter > pitching change bullshit, that would be great. That's probably only a post season/Bochy thing though.
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