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Diet Crack posted:Interesting considering they dish them out at a rate of knots its an ethnic struggle to them. thats the point
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Ohtori Akio posted:israel is an unusually casualty averse society yeah. lets see how that goes for the idf If we were talking about French military we'd be making jokes about cheese eating surrender monkeys. Casualty averse as a synonym for cowardly. Oh but you can't say that! It's Israel!
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Hefty Leftist posted:they spent billions on a projectile defense system that you can beat by shooting two rockets every missile interception system can ultimately be defeated by firing more missiles at it, as a function of +1 missile being less expensive than +1 interceptor, or as a function of the interceptor literally not having enough interceptors to keep up this is why ABM systems, in the context of the Cold War, are a dead end this is how the Soviets envisioned being able to sink a American carrier this is why the THAAD system, in the context of the Korean Peninsula and Eastern Europe, can be defeated this is why Ukrainian air defense systems can be defeated this is why the Iron Dome can be defeated and on top of Iron Dome and Trophy, the Houthis recently managed to fire enough drones/missiles at a US Navy ship to run it out of missiles. They could have probably hit it outright if they had just a few more missiles to shoot, though that's perhaps an example of what happens when you don't get to overwhelm an interceptor system. Time will tell if the USN is capable of rearming.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I keep seeing the take that the lack of infantry support for tanks also derives from "societal contradictions" - the infantry is going to be recruits, and they're liable to be picked off and/or even taken prisoner/hostage, and the Israeli government cannot stand that That's the thing. Battles are loving dangerous at the best of times. And the best way to stay safe is embrace danger and to take calculated risks, constantly push forward engaging the enemy away from your strongpoints. That's a classic trope of soldiering, being willing to brave danger in order to protect your comrades. Setting up your entire society around casualty aversion is going to paradoxically result in greater casualties. How the gently caress did they gently caress up this badly.
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Hefty Leftist posted:they spent billions on a projectile defense system that you can beat by shooting two rockets This is some basic video game poo poo too! Good post, I think a lot of it comes down to how both in the US and Israel you have at this point every generation of leadership raised in the era of superiority immersed in the propaganda and so now they have no ability to usefully gauge actual threats or how to organise limited resources because they're used to having the cheat codes.
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Elden Lord Godfrey posted:jesus christ this is the army that has been training the US police force Don't worry, they are still the experts at putting zip ties on teenagers and beating them.
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gradenko_2000 posted:every missile interception system can ultimately be defeated by firing more missiles at it, as a function of +1 missile being less expensive than +1 interceptor, or as a function of the interceptor literally not having enough interceptors to keep up they got a couple of those drones with the deck gun lol. rocks (metaphorical) are cheaper than an anti-rock system, but a good anti-rock defense will include a high-low mix of expensive and cheap anti-rocks. and israel is working with a LOT more money. i would look to the ground war as the one disadvantageous to israel, not the air war you can just pour money into
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Elden Lord Godfrey posted:jesus christ this is the army that has been training the US police force
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Ohtori Akio posted:and israel is working with a LOT more money. i would look to the ground war as the one disadvantageous to israel, not the air war you can just pour money into oh yeah, I wouldn't say that every anti-missile system is immediately/imminently beatable, because "missiles are cheaper than anti-missiles" and "have more missiles than anti-missiles" is not an easy thing to achieve, even if it may be a plausible thing to achieve but it is plausible
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Keeping my body free of haram contaminants that could make me too sleepy before Nasrallah's speech.
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Ohtori Akio posted:they got a couple of those drones with the deck gun lol. rocks (metaphorical) are cheaper than an anti-rock system, but a good anti-rock defense will include a high-low mix of expensive and cheap anti-rocks. and israel is working with a LOT more money. i would look to the ground war as the one disadvantageous to israel, not the air war you can just pour money into Deck guns and a good targeting radar are actually quite scary. "Oh they're just good for artillery or shooting other ships" Yeah, nah. They can shoot pretty much anything.
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Sancho Banana posted:The government is now pushing a law that will allow them to revoke the citizenship of anyone caught "supporting terrorists" online during wartime. The Only Mediterranean "fifty percent plus one" democracy passes the Enabling Act
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Of course, it probably doesn't help when you're up against an enemy that knows your capabilities intimately, because you can't stop openly bragging about them, and has been preparing specifically to counter you for literal decades.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Keeping my body free of haram contaminants that could make me too sleepy before Nasrallah's speech. please go to sleep i guarantee you nasrallahs gonna make a boring snooze button speech and wont help Gaza in any real way, im not gonna watch it live.
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Elden Lord Godfrey posted:That is the real issue, the sheer societal contradictions that arise from this enormously bloated military and security budget, means that every other contradiction within its society, from ballooning individual medical costs, housing costs, zero financial security for its populace, the risk of dropping out of the economy and becoming homeless, everything, spirals out of control. They can destroy anything abroad they like, but the imperial core can not hold. Tankbuster posted:wow, insane fundamentalists have hosed up ideas to make up for their otherwise questionable moral character? 
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Granted, one big issue Israel is having is that they are trying to stop everything, they are sending interceptors that could be taking out much more sophisticated missiles to take out simple rockets. They are successful in doing so but the question becomes when someone shows up with real missiles and you have been using up your interceptors. The US does have Patriot batteries...but the US only has so many launchers and missiles as well. It is really about numbers at a certain point.
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External Organs posted:George: I jumped into a hole in my front yard and emerged 5 minutes later, like a newborn baby, from another hole right next to Yankee stadium. Right next to Steinbrenner's parking spot!
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fits my needs posted:lol i forget theres a buncha gbs nafo fellas posting in here since they cant have their own thread I appreciate that we're all on the same side for this but lol at the casual repeated delusional assessments of the Ukraine situation being made in passing and thinking they'll go unacknowledged. If Ukraine is Big Israel, that doesn't sound too good for Little Israel, does it? (just kidding, unlike the Ukraine American support for Israel will never falter)
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qassam says theyve pounded a concentration of israeli vehicles with heavy mortar attacks https://x.com/alarabytv/status/1720360461479059897?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg
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Dokapon Findom posted:I appreciate that we're all on the same side for this but lol at the casual repeated delusional assessments of the Ukraine situation being made in passing and thinking they'll go unacknowledged. making the analogy of Israel to Russia, since they're both the aggressors trying to do an invasion, Russia did also have a problem in the first phase of the war where their Battalion Tactical Group did not have a large enough infantry complement to properly support their tanks, and so their armor suffered accordingly on the attack, and continued to do so until they reconfigured their army back towards divisions as a basic operational unit I don't know if Israel is capable of changing course the way they did
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Stringent posted:sorry if this is a repost, but lmao 
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gradenko_2000 posted:making the analogy of Israel to Russia, since they're both the aggressors trying to do an invasion, Russia did also have a problem in the first phase of the war where their Battalion Tactical Group did not have a large enough infantry complement to properly support their tanks, and so their armor suffered accordingly on the attack, and continued to do so until they reconfigured their army back towards divisions as a basic operational unit if youre making this specific comparison because of that unscreened armor video, its an ifv not a tank, theres dudes inside that should have been outside
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Al-Saqr posted:please go to sleep i guarantee you nasrallahs gonna make a boring snooze button speech and wont help Gaza in any real way, im not gonna watch it live. I woke up at 9 pm so I could work late night and be up for the speech. 
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Dokapon Findom posted:I appreciate that we're all on the same side for this but lol at the casual repeated delusional assessments of the Ukraine situation being made in passing and thinking they'll go unacknowledged. It's like if lemmings actually jumped off cliffs
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please dont do an inverse ukraine and think that israels incapable of glassing the place. they are capable of this
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Stringent posted:sorry if this is a repost, but lmao 
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Malloc Voidstar posted:lol at the alt angle lol
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you think this is gonna be a routine day and now you have to make sure the whole crew didnt give themselves a tbi and find a recovery vehicle to flip the loving thing over. probably a bunch of sensors to clean too
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gradenko_2000 posted:making the analogy of Israel to Russia, since they're both the aggressors trying to do an invasion, Russia did also have a problem in the first phase of the war where their Battalion Tactical Group did not have a large enough infantry complement to properly support their tanks, and so their armor suffered accordingly on the attack, and continued to do so until they reconfigured their army back towards divisions as a basic operational unit Absolutely not. The Russians had months to a year to reorganize and work out their poo poo. This war isn't going to last longer than months at most. By the time they start thinking of switching things up it'll all be over. They don't have enough time or space to retrain their reservists to do infantry screening instead of refusing to get out of their vehicles.
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https://x.com/alarabytv/status/1720368173164151219?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg American drones are participating with Israel in searching for prisoners inside Gaza, according to the New York Times
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Al-Saqr posted:please go to sleep i guarantee you nasrallahs gonna make a boring snooze button speech and wont help Gaza in any real way, im not gonna watch it live. yeah but there's a nonzero chance Israel blows up the stage
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Al-Saqr posted:American drones are participating with Israel in searching for prisoners inside Gaza, according to the New York Times There's no way that the hostages have even seen sunlight in the past 4 weeks.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:lol at the alt angle lmao that dude’s pose
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Malloc Voidstar posted:lol at the alt angle ahaha
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