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I don't think anyone sincerely thinks you're a Dutton supporter. it's just funny to point out that on one day, for one weird blip, on one particular issue, when it actually might have mattered even if in the most miniscule, patronising way, your goals aligned entirely with his
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Goddamn, a lot of AusPol goons eating probes in the I/P thread. I understand the need to keep a thread like that from exploding into vitriol, but some of the probe reasons read like jokes.
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alf_pogs posted:I don't think anyone sincerely thinks you're a Dutton supporter. GrandTheftAutism posted:I'm not a Dutton supporter, I despise the man and the party he leads. Dutton was against the Voice because he's a racist, socially regressive pile of poo poo. I was against the Voice for reasons stated above that the echo chamber in this thread keep trying to twist into something else. We are not the same.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:What the gently caress do I know, I'm apparently just a Dutton supporter despite my claims to the contrary I don’t know what the gently caress you do know, but I would suggest you consider the difference between “intentions” and “consequences”. My original question was simple. Can you see that your vote AMOUNTED to telling the indigenous community “nah, not interested in your voice”.
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Voting No = Equals voting with Dutton because Dutton also voted No. How hard is that to understand? Your reasoning doesn't matter. This Echo chamber has also said many times that voting yes sets back treaties back 10 years via the ones in Canberra saying "what more do you want" and voting no sets back treaties 100 years from saying to Canberra "we are big racists" Saying that a "progressive no is different" to us doesn't change the fact that the Austalien Gov on all sides sees it as a "Racism wins".
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GrandTheftAutism posted:What the gently caress do I know, I'm apparently just a Dutton supporter despite my claims to the contrary If it votes like a duck... Honest question, how do you feel about having voted directly against the wishes of Indigenous Australians? When every Indigenous majority polling booth voted Yes? How your voted directly, how ever small it may have been, denied them a voice in the way that the laws of this land treat them? Cause it sure as gently caress sounds like you think you know what they need better than they do.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:What the gently caress do I know, I'm apparently just a Dutton supporter despite my claims to the contrary Dutton needed your support to defeat the voice and give himself a leg up against Albanese, and you gave him your support. Your reasons were your own, but he still banked your support.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:My original question was simple. Can you see that your vote AMOUNTED to telling the indigenous community “nah, not interested in your voice”. No, because there are plenty of indigenous communities who voted No as well, each for their own reasons. According to your logic, they're also Dutton supporters too.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:can I offer you a bottle in this trying time How clever, would be nice if you turned your dazzling intellect to the actual conversation at hand rather than projecting about voting the same way as Dutton and Hanson. GrandTheftAutism posted:No, because there are plenty of indigenous communities who voted No as well, each for their own reasons. According to your logic, they're also Dutton supporters too. OP not sure if you looked at the referendum results but you should check out how First Nations communities voted.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:No, because there are plenty of indigenous communities who voted No as well, each for their own reasons. According to your logic, they're also Dutton supporters too. You all empowered Peter Dutton politically.
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Nov 4, 2023 21:22
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JBP posted:You all empowered Peter Dutton politically. I keep trying to empower him electromagnetically but he never comes out as nice as when I use fan forced with duck fat.
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Lenin's rolling in his loving grave. I can't believe we're still having fuckwits think any form of electoralism has to be derided more than a century later. Could you imagine how loving gassed he would be if the Kalmyks or Uzbeks or another national minority had managed to force the Tsar to hold a referendum of All Russians to determine whether they should have a representative advisory body reporting straight to the duma? He would have thought it was a loving useless body, but the campaign and the defeat it would bring to Russian chauvinism if it could succeed would be worth it.
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I'm not that interested in what history's great failures think about things.
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Continue doing other stupid poo poo that's like voting no for 'progressive reasons' then I guess?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Lenin's rolling in his loving grave. I can't believe we're still having fuckwits think any form of electoralism has to be derided more than a century later. Could you imagine how loving gassed he would be if the Kalmyks or Uzbeks or another national minority had managed to force the Tsar to hold a referendum of All Russians to determine whether they should have a representative advisory body reporting straight to the duma? He would have thought it was a loving useless body, but the campaign and the defeat it would bring to Russian chauvinism if it could succeed would be worth it. Gee the Soviet Union was a great place for minorities and political dissidents. What a model country
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JBP posted:I'm not that interested in what history's great failures think about things. good news for you, im simply a normal failure and i have many strong opinions
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Recoome posted:Gee the Soviet Union was a great place for minorities and political dissidents. What a model country I mean in comparison to the West, I really don't see how it was not. The political dissidents were Nazis or the liberals that made modern Russia the fascist terror state it is today. It's not like nothing terrible was done, the deportation of Crimean Tatars for one, but transfer of populations after the war were conducted by and supported in rhetoric by the Allies as well. In comparison yeah it was an absolute model country. For the majority of the Soviet Union's existence Australia had the White Australia policy, America had segregation and Britain was conducting genocides in the colonies. It's not a coincidence that national liberation movements in the global south saw in the Soviets an ally. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Cuba is a better example anyhow since it still exists and has lead the way on all the social issues that Australia failed or continues to fail in. And did them all despite the ongoing violence perpetrated by the US and their allies against it.
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Glad I don't live in the United States, Soviet Union or Cuba tbh.
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JBP posted:Glad I don't live in the United States, Soviet Union or Cuba tbh. Completely agree. I shouldn’t have derailed this with the Soviet Union comment - the point I’m making is that realistically Australia isn’t being overthrown which means our primary lever for political change is voting. Collaborating with racist in the vain hope that this will accelerate some revolution is either naive or completely out of touch. At best, Australia has failed our First Nations people, I think what’s worse is voting with Dutton which again is the weirdest thing to see revolutionary socialists agreeing with Dutton to vote no. Again, you might argue you had different motivations, but the answer you wrote didn’t allow you to differentiate yourself from the racists. Even if the work/things that revolutionary socialists have been generally positive, the Progressive No has been a big L and I’ve really lost a lot of respect for the movement.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:For the majority of the Soviet Union's existence Australia had the White Australia policy Also during most of that period Indigenous Australians didn't have voting rights, were restricted by anti-miscegenation laws in some states on who they were allowed to marry, couldn't be paid more than a certain amount if employed and even then they could instead be paid in tobacco, food & clothing or have their wages withheld indefinitely, could be forcibly confined to an 'Aboriginal reserve' or institution without a court order, were banned from entering certain cities without a permit, etc etc Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/PMalinauskasMP/status/1721006675573002494
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The school to military industrial complex pipeline
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:For all their talk of the jobs the MIC creates, Thales just laid off another 70 people straight after fulfilling that order of Bushmasters and Hawkeyes for Ukraine in addition to lay offs about 6 months ago. Hate to tell you OP but the ADF is moving away from funding land vehicles and dumping money into nuclear submarines and missiles. I can't remember if Thales has any contracts to build ships locally but I assure you both Thales and the people who worked there will be fine.
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GrandTheftAutism posted:What the gently caress do I know, I'm apparently just a Dutton supporter despite my claims to the contrary Mate, Dutton said "Do this specific thing." To which you said "I will do that specific thing, and indeed argue on the internet about why it is good to do the specific thing you told me to do." Arguing how much you hate the potato headed fascist is just semantics at this point. You did the exact thing that he said you should do. And it has resulted in an outcome far closer to what he wanted than whatever it was you were hoping to achieve. Edit: Unrelated, irrelevant and derailly. Cuba has a 99% literacy rate. Which is good. BrigadierSensible fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Bald Stalin posted:Cuba is a better example anyhow since it still exists and has lead the way on all the social issues that Australia failed or continues to fail in. Like political freedom
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Bald Stalin posted:Cuba is a better example anyhow since it still exists and has lead the way on all the social issues that Australia failed or continues to fail in. And did them all despite the ongoing violence perpetrated by the US and their allies against it. Cuba is a one-party authoritarian state.
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freebooter posted:Cuba is a one-party authoritarian state. Yeah that's what makes it good. When has voting the liberals in to power in Australia ever made anything better? Put the communists in charge, keep them there, then have the party respond to directly democratic assemblies established at a local level. Recoome posted:Hate to tell you OP but the ADF is moving away from funding land vehicles and dumping money into nuclear submarines and missiles. I can't remember if Thales has any contracts to build ships locally but I assure you both Thales and the people who worked there will be fine. Oh I definitely don't care about the fuckheads that chose to work for an arms manufacturer, I just think it's interesting they can barely even keep the doors open when there are two major wars on.
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lol imagine whining for 5 pages about "democracy" in Australia failing to end racism then trying to dunk on Cuba for being better. absolute brain rot
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Cuba is a land of contrasts
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CATTASTIC posted:Cuba is a land of contrasts Except in April, when I've been told the sun is nice.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:it was an absolute model country that spent a lot of time struggling to feed its people and fight off corruption Snowglobe of Doom posted:The school to military industrial complex pipeline That particular pipeline does offer tight job security and benefits if nothing else
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Oh I definitely don't care about the fuckheads that chose to work for an arms manufacturer, I just think it's interesting they can barely even keep the doors open when there are two major wars on. They've offshored the jobs, something like 12,000 jobs globally. Bald Stalin posted:lol imagine whining for 5 pages about "democracy" in Australia failing to end racism then trying to dunk on Cuba for being better. absolute brain rot Imagine engaging in complicated gymnastics, such as the virtues of authoritarian countries (yikes) to justify voting with Peter Dutton and neo-nazis
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Look things worked out great for Strasser.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Yeah that's what makes it good. Yeah that and the endemic poverty.
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JBP posted:Yeah that and the endemic poverty. It's not endemic, it's very obviously invasive. It's due overwhelmingly to an illegal blockade almost universally condemned by all countries except the US and Israel.
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alf_pogs posted:I don't think anyone sincerely thinks you're a Dutton supporter. Furthermore the greens voted against the CPRS
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