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Runa posted:Allison logging onto a bodybuilding forum to argue about how many ten days there are in a week lmao yesss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eECjjLNAOd4
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Runa posted:Allison logging onto a bodybuilding forum to argue about how many ten days there are in a week Every few years I think of this and lol. In some languages they count the days of the week super wildly differently and I'm like 70% sure nobody in that was fully stupid, just talking past each other
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Nov 4, 2023 21:50
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My wife and I argue about whether Sunday is the end of the week or the beginning. (why the gently caress would you start the week in the middle of the weekEND?)
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Nov 4, 2023 21:55
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Saturday and Sunday are both ends of the same week.
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Nov 4, 2023 22:06
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JuniperCake posted:Yeah this. The comic has been very clear at stating that there is no wiggle room around Jadis' omniscience. So Allison still has many years left and will not die in 10 days. There are worse things than death in this setting so that absolutely does not mean that everything will be fine when Jagg wakes up though. I mean, even without Jadis’s statement, I don’t think anyone believes this story ends “lol, Jagg kills everyone yet again!” really. There’s still tension wondering what WILL happen, but I certainly don’t think we’re getting a shaggy dog story ending. Really I just wonder how Allison will actually deal with victory when it almost certainly comes.
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Nov 4, 2023 22:36
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I know Sunday is the officially agreed upon first day of the week but my brain always rebels at that and tries to argue that Monday is when it begins. So I'm probably as dumb as a bodybuilder but without the body
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Nov 4, 2023 22:56
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As with many things, it's a U.S. / UK split, with a lot of countries following along for colonial reasons. There are also a handful of Muslim-majority countries that consider Saturday the start of the week.
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Nov 4, 2023 23:00
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Jetamo posted:Saturday and Sunday are both ends of the same week. nooo! noooooo!
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Nov 4, 2023 23:24
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Robert Facepalmer posted:My wife and I argue about whether Sunday is the end of the week or the beginning. It's called a pair of bookends not a bookend and bookstart
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Runa posted:Allison logging onto a bodybuilding forum to argue about how many ten days there are in a week
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Jetamo posted:Saturday and Sunday are both ends of the same week. 
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Nov 5, 2023 08:59
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JuniperCake posted:Yeah this. The comic has been very clear at stating that there is no wiggle room around Jadis' omniscience. So Allison still has many years left and will not die in 10 days. There are worse things than death in this setting so that absolutely does not mean that everything will be fine when Jagg wakes up though. Break infinity by getting yourself killed right now while the literal omniscient wizard 100% guaranteed you'd live another couple decades. Topple the entire house of cards that is prophecy and predetermination.
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Nov 5, 2023 10:31
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I still like the idea that while Jadis is omniscient, she lied to Alison about when she will die so that she will be recklessly foolhardy enough to go all out against Jaggs.
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Nov 5, 2023 11:26
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Jadis never does anything so something can happen. She's lost the ability make a choice like that, or perform an action because of something she wants. All she ever does is what she already knows she does, reading from a script she's already seen the last page of.
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Nov 5, 2023 11:35
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MikeJF posted:Jadis never does anything so something can happen. She's lost the ability make a choice like that. All she ever does is what she already knows she does. The early cycles of her omniscience must've been weird. "I know I will do this because I wil always have done this, but until I did it I couldn't have known what I would do." Probably froze herself into a block of ice to soothe the splitting headache.
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Nov 5, 2023 11:37
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MikeJF posted:Jadis never does anything so something can happen. She's lost the ability make a choice like that. All she ever does is what she already knows she does. "Never making a choice" and "Always telling the truth" aren't the same thing, she absolutely seems like she'd be the person who'd find out she will lie, feel guilty about it for the years leading up to the point where she knows she'll do it, and then just tell the lie anyways the question of "at what point did a Jadis make the decision to tell the lie" seems like a paradox on the face of it, but that could just as easily be applied to any of the other things that she does-- she asked allison if she wants breakfast because she saw herself asking allison if she wants breakfast because etc e: a fun and interesting thought would be if Jadis sees and follows The One Specific Path She Always Does because that's the only path that does, in fact, perpetuate the cycle-- any divergence from it would have and has already resulted in the wheel being broken, whoops Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Nov 5, 2023 11:42
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An omniscient being whose every action are prompted by her having read the script means her behavior is completely arbitrary and meaningless. She could start reciting the complete works of Shakespeare backwards because "that's what she does".
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Nov 5, 2023 11:51
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Even if everything you do is pre-determined, if you're pre-determined to think about and care about the choices that are already made for you ahead of time, then you care about and are invested in what you do. And that's indistinguishable from actually having choice. So what's the worry? I mean unless of course you're pre-determined to worry about that sort of thing. Then by all means, please do.
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Nov 5, 2023 15:15
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oobey posted:I mean unless of course you're pre-determined to worry about that sort of thing. Then by all means, please do. now I'm just thinking about the poor saps who were predetermined to believe in roko's basilisk
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Nov 5, 2023 15:23
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true royalty is being omniscient and forgetting about the dumb basilisk anyways
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Nov 5, 2023 15:39
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The horror scenario is if your actions are predetermined, but your thoughts and feelings are not.
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Nov 5, 2023 18:18
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After reading the Jadis arc again to see if I liked it better (I did), I think saying Jadis is "acting from a script" sells her short. She doesn't see a script; she made/is-making/will-make all her decisions for her own reasons. Her problem is that because she is constantly experiencing every moment of existence at once, she's unable to learn things or to reassess her perspective in light of new information, because she already has all the information she's ever going to get. She's locked into the way she is, not because she's unable to make choices, but because the events that make choices possible have all already happened. That chapter is all about processing trauma, and the nature of Jadis' condition is such that she's completely unable to process her trauma at all. Also apparently she can't talk properly to anybody, except Allison, for reasons that aren't really elaborated on?
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Nov 5, 2023 18:35
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She once referenced a meme that went out of vogue years ago and has since sworn herself to solitude in shame.
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Nov 5, 2023 19:45
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Rand Brittain posted:Also apparently she can't talk properly to anybody, except Allison, for reasons that aren't really elaborated on? She was able to get out of the cube and talk to Allison because it was the time in the timeline for her to, obviously.
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Nov 5, 2023 20:11
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the big revelation about jadis was that, while her omniscience is perfect and she is correct about everything and never lies, whatever thin remnant of a personality she still has revolves around failure. seeing the shape was the single worst moment and most grievous error of her life and she's incapable from moving on from it because there's nowhere for her to move on to. allison's defeat against jagganoth and the subsequent fallout was a similar moment of utter cosmic failure, so the entity that still passes for "jadis" probably sympathized with her enough (as she always would because it's what she does and so on and etc) to come out of her cube and speak coherently
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Comin' outta my cube and I've been doing just how I was always meant to and always will be
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Nov 5, 2023 21:49
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GunnerJ posted:Comin' outta my cube and I've been doing just how I was always meant to and always will be gotta gotta be down because ive seen it all
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Has anyone who preordered the Cio statue been contacted at all by Animegami or whoever they’re working with for the bankruptcy dealings? I haven’t heard anything at all and have no address to email them at.
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Nov 6, 2023 21:16
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Rand Brittain posted:Also apparently she can't talk properly to anybody, except Allison, for reasons that aren't really elaborated on? I've got an idea for why that is, and I think it's because Jadis is dead. Well, dead in the same sort of way that Zoss is, which is why she's able to talk to Allison just like Zoss can. Notice here where she's referred to as the former bearer of the word Mind. This could be referring to Jadis's weird semi-alive state but I think her popsicle body got iced when Jagganoth did his big dumb sword move and now Jadis is like, a key ghost or something. But, if Jadis is the former bearer, then who's the current one? My guess is either our collective pal Gog-Agog, who wormed up Jadis's key after the battle while no one was looking, or some other rando (a devil maybe? Oscar? Praman Nand? Charon and/or Cat Master?) who did the same thing.
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Nov 6, 2023 21:29
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Jadis has been dead for a long time. All that's left is a recording of her.
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Jadisn't
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Oxxidation posted:the big revelation about jadis was that, while her omniscience is perfect and she is correct about everything and never lies I don't know about the "never lies" part, I'm not saying she does or doesn't, but she could, because, well, I've basically said what UC said here before: Ursine Catastrophe posted:"Never making a choice" and "Always telling the truth" aren't the same thing, she absolutely seems like she'd be the person who'd find out she will lie, feel guilty about it for the years leading up to the point where she knows she'll do it, and then just tell the lie anyways So, is that happening? Not sure, but it wouldn't be "breaking the rules" if it did. If Jadis has to lie because it is predetermined and is like "sorry, had to do it, it was foretold, I'm just reading the script here" that still makes sense. It makes just as much sense if that isn't happening as it is, but it could be.
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red plastic cup posted:Notice here where she's referred to as the former bearer of the word Mind. This could be referring to Jadis's weird semi-alive state but I think her popsicle body got iced when Jagganoth did his big dumb sword move and now Jadis is like, a key ghost or something.
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jadis lying doesn’t make sense from either perspective. in-universe, her word is literally the incarnate form of the Shape - she’s incapable of being wrong in part because there’s not enough of a person there to filter the truth to that extent. as a strict textual read, there’s no point to a lying omniscient character because that defeats the point of their omniscience, which is why they tend to sneakily interpret or phrase the truth instead that’s what jadis did. because she exists in a perpetual loop of failure, her stated truth is “you will die in 35 years and all your endeavor is pointless, so you should avoid pain with the time you have.” Alison isn’t trapped in that loop, so her truth is “I’m going to die in 35 years. gently caress it”
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Nov 6, 2023 22:23
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I honestly feel bad for Jadis, she went in with noble intentions when the world was abusing her to have none, then completely imploded with no chance of recovery or growth. Then she became an ice cube
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I'm just happy that the cyclical nature of existance led me to enjoy this great comic with such lively friends.
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Oxxidation posted:jadis lying doesn’t make sense from either perspective. in-universe, her word is literally the incarnate form of the Shape - she’s incapable of being wrong in part because there’s not enough of a person there to filter the truth to that extent. as a strict textual read, there’s no point to a lying omniscient character because that defeats the point of their omniscience, which is why they tend to sneakily interpret or phrase the truth instead Probably, but I still disagree that it is certain. It makes just as much "sense" for her to say literally anything versus the next thing if it's "in the script", point be damned. I don't personally think Jadis is lying about when Alison will die, but she just as well could be as not if that's what she is "supposed" to do. But it doesn't mean someday Alison might get pissed off and call Jadis out for telling her some bullshit and Jadis is like "yeah, sorry, I had to do that. Also, this too." She's not "wrong" in her knowledge if she knows better but has to do a thing anyways man why you even got to do a thing
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Nov 6, 2023 23:04
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SardonicTyrant posted:I'm just happy that the cyclical nature of existance led me to enjoy this great comic with such lively friends. What's exciting is that we'll get to enjoy it together over and over for an infinite time unless some furious dumbass shatters existence.
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Ashcans posted:What's exciting is that we'll get to enjoy it together over and over for an infinite time unless some furious dumbass shatters existence. Ah gently caress, I'm sorry. I accidentally spilt my cup of tea on reality and I didn't think anyone would notice...
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girl dick energy posted:She once referenced a meme that went out of vogue years ago and has since sworn herself to solitude in shame. She hasn't actually referenced it yet - she remembers referencing in the future though, and the shame of that is even stronger
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