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BBJoey posted:Furthermore the greens voted against the CPRS this is a good point.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's not endemic, it's very obviously invasive. It's due overwhelmingly to an illegal blockade almost universally condemned by all countries except the US and Israel. completely wild that it's still ongoing, too. i couldn't try my first cuban rum until i flew over ten thousand miles to Australia.
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BBJoey posted:Furthermore the greens voted against the CPRS Turnbull's support for the CPRS is why we ended up with Tony Abbott as PM, the Greens were simply trying to avoid that future coming into effect 
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BBJoey posted:Furthermore the greens voted against the CPRS It wasn’t that good of a move then - I think the Greens learned from that and managed to extract realistic concessions around housing while still being able yo take the morel high ground. At least we can revisit legislation, unlike say a referendum which settles a question.
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Imagine voting against the preferences of people you declare to be ideological allies and then expecting them to agree to try being your ally again for a longer-shot, poorly-defined future project. Definitely winning hearts and minds by saying "yes I voted against the thing that you have expressed extreme despair about failing, but have you considered that now that I have poked a hole in your life raft you can help me build a destroyer-class ship out of the scraps of rubber?"
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Imagine being so racist you lump all the first nations people together and pretend the ones with different opinions don't exist or matter
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Bald Stalin posted:Imagine being so racist you lump all the first nations people together and pretend the ones with different opinions don't exist or matter I know it’s not theory written by some dead loser but you should read this article by Bruce Pascoe https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-true-character
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JBP posted:I look forward to the Australian communist revolution and fighting them with the teal armband brigade. if only
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Yeah that's what makes it good. When has voting the liberals in to power in Australia ever made anything better? Put the communists in charge, keep them there, then have the party respond to directly democratic assemblies established at a local level. Oh lol I should've actually read your red text before engaging with you
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Bald Stalin posted:Imagine being so racist you lump all the first nations people together and pretend the ones with different opinions don't exist or matter Snowglobe of Doom posted:This Twitter account ran the numbers on which polling places leaned yes/no in the referendum, this won't come as a surprise to anyone here
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Feels very weird to be on this side of a consensus / pile on.GrandTheftAutism posted:No, because there are plenty of indigenous communities who voted No as well, each for their own reasons. According to your logic, they're also Dutton supporters too. Indigenous people saying they don't want to recognise the validity of the colonialist power they never ceded sovereignty to in the first place, is a very different thing to settlers telling indigenous people they don't want to listen to them. Anyone who did vote no because they thought it would be a better path to better outcomes for indigenous people was factually misguided. e - whoops Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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All the indigenous people I know, including family members, told me to vote yes. Just thought I'd add this to the discussion.
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Konomex posted:All the indigenous people I know, including family members, told me to vote yes. sorry to tell you this but they have been infected with the woke mind virus
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Non Compos Mentis posted:the woke mind virus By the by, I’m loving livid about this
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Konomex posted:All the indigenous people I know, including family members, told me to vote yes. I'm sure Bald Stalin can provide some reading on how they are all compradors, and we can ignore them.
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Konomex posted:All the indigenous people I know, including family members, told me to vote yes. one i know voted no and advocated for a boycott of the referendum, the other mostly talked about boycott & other reasons to not trust in the voice but voted yes and eventually advocated for others to also vote yes in conclusion the no vote is a land of contrasts
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Captain Theron posted:Imagine ignoring the actual evidence. Don't have Twitter and I doubt very much that they were able to track all FN people's opinions or votes. Or did you just fail to read and comprehend?
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Bald Stalin posted:Don't have Twitter and I doubt very much that they were able to track all FN people's opinions or votes. Or did you just fail to read and comprehend? You are a walking example of why revolutionary socialists aren’t taken seriously.
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Bald Stalin posted:Join us, do something tangible! Don't listen to these do nothing just vote status quo libs, listen to the revolutionaries that were the real force for change in history and join us. Organizing, serving the people, building a revolutionary movement that will drive change is how things have and will improve. quote:Go on then, be specific. Still waiting on an answer to this
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Still waiting on an answer to this You won't get an answer - they've moved on to the next thing on their agenda. Now the referendum's over, the Coalition doesn't give a real poo poo on what happens to First Nations people. In the same vein, all the big "Progressive No" people I know who supported a colonialist push to not give FN people a Voice are now harping on about Israeli colonialism.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Feels very weird to be on this side of a consensus / pile on. Don't worry mate, even Babe Ruth struck out.
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What the gently caress https://twitter.com/AlexanderDowner/status/1721047631445778644?t=UGFVwiGCba_Mz54QjfcC7w&s=19
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the communists don't want to accept it but there is no revolutionary movement, and won't be again for a long time all you can do is build and be a part of your community. form a union at work. read theory. start a block garden. be the person your neighbor comes to when the revolution *does* happen. that's the only communist option left, currently. lol. voting no isn't really serving the purposes of yourself or your community, but uh, too late on that one now.
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The Peccadillo posted:What the gently caress loving hell he sucks so much
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Bald Stalin posted:Don't have Twitter and I doubt very much that they were able to track all FN people's opinions or votes. Or did you just fail to read and comprehend? So you are ignoring the evidence. Here, so you can't make an excuse not to read it: 
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The Peccadillo posted:What the gently caress Lmao what an irrelevant turd
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The Peccadillo posted:What the gently caress It is consistent and conscientious strategy, not just something that old mate Downer come up as an original thought. That challenging what Israel is doing is automatically equated to antisemitism and suggesting anything other than the full support of whatever Israel wants to do will enable a Holocaust. Also, that the Holocaust should be evoked at every opportunity. The event that nearly all of humanity failed the most, the time when the entire world failed Israel. E) in fact, I would go as far as to say that due to the circles that Downer runs in, he is obligated to say pretty much what he said. He would be ostracized from his support network to not post what he did, he can't be silent or "both sides" it. Electric Wrigglies fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Minera posted:the communists don't want to accept it but there is no revolutionary movement, and won't be again for a long time The only hope for a revolutionary movement in Australia would be an anti-colonial uprising, and that's pretty unlikely. The far more likely scenario is that US hegemony collapses and we end up a bigoted fortress of reaction with a crumbling economy no longer subsidised by global white supremacy, slowly sinking into the sea. But if you don't actually try and work towards a better future what reason is there for living? We know liberal parliamentary democracy can't or won't deal with the crises we face. There's literally only one choice, socialism or barbarism.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The only hope for a revolutionary movement in Australia would be an anti-colonial uprising, and that's pretty unlikely. The far more likely scenario is that US hegemony collapses and we end up a bigoted fortress of reaction with a crumbling economy no longer subsidised by global white supremacy, slowly sinking into the sea. But if you don't actually try and work towards a better future what reason is there for living? We know liberal parliamentary democracy can't or won't deal with the crises we face. There's literally only one choice, socialism or barbarism. So was voting No to the Voice socialism or barbarianism?
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lmao scomo stirring up poo poo, is he one of those woo woo crazies that thinks conflict in the middle east means judgement day is coming?
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Recoome posted:So was voting No to the Voice socialism or barbarianism? Barbarism. It was a loving stupid call and shows the dire state of Australian socialism that even with the vast majority of indigenous people, progressive parties, trade unions and simple morality backing yes, that some could convince themselves a boycott of a compulsory vote, or worse standing alongside the fascists in the rejection, would do anything but harm the movement for indigenous sovereignty. FWIW the CPA's line was always yes. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Spookydonut posted:lmao scomo stirring up poo poo, is he one of those woo woo crazies that thinks conflict in the middle east means judgement day is coming? I have a feeling he's more in a prosperity gospel, networking, grifter type denomination
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Barbarism. It was a loving stupid call and shows the dire state of Australian socialism that even with the vast majority of indigenous people, progressive parties, trade unions and simple morality backing the call, that some could convince themselves a boycott of a compulsory vote, or worse standing alongside the fascists in the rejection, would do anything but harm the movement for indigenous sovereignty. That’s good to know Re: the CPA. I’d love to have been a fly on the wall to some of the strategy meets or even the fallout. I definitely agree with the indictment of Australian socialism, it loving sucks and I hope we all take it on as a lesson of caution.
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Recoome posted:Lmao what an irrelevant turd except he is, unfortunately, relevant. he has been advising the UK Tories on how to mistreat browns in the UK in even more absurd ways
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Barbarism. It was a loving stupid call and shows the dire state of Australian socialism that even with the vast majority of indigenous people, progressive parties, trade unions and simple morality backing yes, that some could convince themselves a boycott of a compulsory vote, or worse standing alongside the fascists in the rejection, would do anything but harm the movement for indigenous sovereignty. but the ACP's line was no!
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lih posted:but the ACP's line was no! lol, it actually was. loving losers. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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lih posted:but the ACP's line was no! lol lmao, even
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Captain Theron posted:So you are ignoring the evidence. Here, so you can't make an excuse not to read it: lol that proves my point you retard
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Bald Stalin posted:lol that proves my point you retard ??? Indigenous majority polling booths voted for the voice though, how does that support your argument? We don't really have much better data on voting patterns among ATSI folk than that. Nice slur btw.
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