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fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Potato Salad posted:

"not a single study" holy poo poo you really can just lie like that goddamn

we've been putting money into epidemiology research on spread through populations for over fifty years. I'm aware of one project personally in my sphere that's been running for over twenty.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


There was not a single place in the US where people were confined to their homes for any length of time under pain of law and the endless gaslighting over it just keeps getting more intense lmao

The loving casino here opened up in early June 2020

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


I do honestly miss being able to walk around the city like it was a loving ghost town to be honest.

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."
We've never tried this exact thing in this exact situation at this exact scale and point in history, therefore it is unscientific to form any hypothesis based on previous, and therefore irrelevant, experiments.

Yes, I am a very smart and insightful person.

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar
these morons need to do their revisionist history of spinning lockdowns didn't work so they can never again be put in a position where they have to be alone with their thoughts.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

The gently caress are they talking about lmao

just read it all the way through, it's the kind of straight-up hallucination that's being peddled as actual journalism by corporate clowns these days

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



great point

I was really just referring to domestic research on spread through counties, states, etc with varying strategies of state intervention. not to mention that plenty of research has been done on how covid escaped attempts to contain it, with our (weak) state intervention front and center

the fact that epidemiology exists and has been looking at spread of disease generally for much, much longer only makes the lie worse

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
Epidemiology has saved literally more lives than any other field of science combined.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Potato Salad posted:

just read it all the way through, it's the kind of straight-up hallucination that's being peddled as actual journalism by corporate clowns these days

It's an excerpt from an upcoming book so it's basically an advertisement, and also it's in the op ed section but not clearly marked as such. good poo poo

Bruce Hussein Daddy
Dec 26, 2005

I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

Potato Salad posted:

just read it all the way through, it's the kind of straight-up hallucination that's being peddled as actual journalism by corporate clowns these days

I started skimming because :words: but just closed the tab when I got to the part where covid doesn't spread in schools lol

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Just remember, if a child gets Covid at school and takes it home and four family members get sick, 80% of spread was in the home. Only 20% came from school!

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

shazbot posted:

but immunity debt!!!

just say you're a three-percenter. they pay the immunity debt, you reap the immunity profits

dxt
Mar 27, 2004
METAL DISCHARGE
It is unscientific to think that not sharing air with as many people as possible would have an effect on the spread of an airborne virus

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


In a decade we'll be reading articles about how forcing Americans to stay in their apartments for an entire decade has destroyed the country and squandered the promise our grandparents left us when they bravely chose to die rather than ruin the economy

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

I started skimming because :words: but just closed the tab when I got to the part where covid doesn't spread in schools lol

schools have anti illness protection. why do you think you need to push a button for the admins to let you in?

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It isn’t enough to have won; they’ve got to make sure that public health interventions never happen again



This is a great companion to that awesome John Snow Project piece WAIST posted upthread


Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

In a decade we'll be reading articles about how forcing Americans to stay in their apartments for an entire decade has destroyed the country and squandered the promise our grandparents left us when they bravely chose to die rather than ruin the economy

It's going to be Death Panels 2, a hallucinatory yet permanently embedded lie in the brains of American voters from here.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

It isn’t enough to have won; they’ve got to make sure that public health interventions never happen again



Yep, got this shared to a group I'm in as "hey this sounds p reasonable, terrible we did all those lockdowns".

Looks like this book is just endlessly quoting the great barrington crowd. I replied that I don't know how those people still keep getting promoted as experts when the entire premise of the great barrington declaration was herd immunity, that we just need to infect everyone as fast as possible to get to herd immunity and then it will all be fine. Someone replied to stop making wild accusations, it was fauci promoting herd immunity. My guy, you can just go read the drat thing, it ain't that long.

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn
SARS is cool and good, actually

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
I legitimately think these business bros are equating maybe their business being "essential personnel on site only" as "lockdowns" A lot of companies went wfh and stayed that way for a year or so for all job titles that could be wfh and in their view it was some kind of lockdown. Instead of you know, a massive benefit/boon to workers who didn't need to be in a specific geographical spot to do their work.

Indoor Dying
Dec 13, 2022

Louisgod posted:

these morons need to do their revisionist history of spinning lockdowns didn't work so they can never again be put in a position where they have to be alone with their thoughts.

or their own families lol

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


silicone thrills posted:

I legitimately think these business bros are equating maybe their business being "essential personnel on site only" as "lockdowns" A lot of companies went wfh and stayed that way for a year or so for all job titles that could be wfh and in their view it was some kind of lockdown. Instead of you know, a massive benefit/boon to workers who didn't need to be in a specific geographical spot to do their work.

I can't speak for other states but in Pennsylvania work sites were open again to in person work by June. So closed for all of April and May 2020. Construction sites, real estate showings, etc reopened with some masking requirements in June 2020. Restaurant dining rooms opened with limited capacity in July, closed again late in the year due to Omicron (bad memory, it was just high case counts), and opened again permanently in January 2021 with zero restrictions.

https://www.pennlive.com/coronaviru...inues-wolf.html
https://www.pennlive.com/food/2021/01/pa-restaurants-resume-indoor-seating-im-excited-for-the-customers-to-come-back.html

Workplace restrictions went away here after two months, and within nine months of the rose garden conference anything you could even remotely call a 'lockdown' went away. And they're going to punish everyone forever over it.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud has issued a correction as of 20:59 on Nov 7, 2023

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


https://www.riverscasino.com/pittsburgh/press/RIVERS%20CASINO%20PITTSBURGH%20ANNOUNCES%20REOPENING%20DATE

RIVERS CASINO PITTSBURGH ANNOUNCES REOPENING DATE

Jun 03, 2020

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

RIVERS CASINO PITTSBURGH ANNOUNCES REOPENING DATE

Doors open Tuesday, June 9, at 9 a.m.

PITTSBURGH—June 3, 2020—Rivers Casino Pittsburgh announced today that it will reopen on Tuesday, June 9, at 9 a.m. Rivers Casino temporarily suspended operations on March 15, ahead of the governor’s orders, to help slow the spread of COVID-19. All U.S. casinos closed soon thereafter. The reopening of Rivers Casino Pittsburgh has been planned in collaboration with the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board (PGCB).

At reopening, Rivers Casino Pittsburgh will have new hours of operation: weekdays from 9 a.m. to 4 a.m. and round-the-clock on weekends starting Fridays at 9 a.m. through Mondays at 4 a.m.

The downtime will be used for property-wide deep cleaning in addition to continuous sanitizing throughout each day. That’s just one of many new operating procedures that Rivers Casino will be undertaking to comply with the PGCB’s new COVID-19 Casino Reopening Protocols.

Masks will be required for guests and Team Members. A complete list of gaming floor modifications and safety precautions—introduced to help protect guests and Team Members—will be announced prior to reopening and published on the casino’s website.

Griz
May 21, 2001


watching visibly sick people try to run away from me in the grocery store because i'm wearing a mask is oddly funny

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Griz posted:

watching visibly sick people try to run away from me in the grocery store because i'm wearing a mask is oddly funny

yeah lol people come into my shop without masks on and see me and suddenly are in a big fuckin hurry to get out of here

which, to be clear, suits me fine. customers are the worst

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


I know I belabor the point, but watching history aggressively be rewritten as we're living through it is wild.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

DominoKitten posted:

This is interesting because it either would indicate:

* There is 33% more viral sickness needing medical attention than before COVID because back then none of those 25% of infections would have existed.
* People’s greater efforts to avoid sickness now, imperfect and incomplete as they are, means that there’s less getting sick from other things, but COVID now occupies a significant slice of that sickness
* Something between the two

I asked this exact question, and, based on my very local anecdotes, the providers think it is "something between the two". I have no idea what vaxx uptake here is like but I've been seeing masks again consistently in grocery stores since mid summer and it has seemed to tick up as the school year has rolled forward. I find it a little hard to believe that people bothering with full on n95s are not also getting boosted, but, who the gently caress knows.

I'd be one of them but I hate leaving home and I am also a bad driver mostly, so I pay someone else to bring me food, tip them more than well enough to afford Auras, and hope they are protecting themselves :rolleye: -- I've tried giving masks away. No one wants free masks, about 50% of drivers do want free weed, such is life.

There is also something to the idea that a kid (or adult) who is out of school (or work) with COVID, if they are truly out of public for the duration, barring household contact with other diseases, should be generally not capable of getting sick with something else until they have returned to interacting with society, so I would expect that to eat into that 33% to some extent?

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I can't speak for other states but in Pennsylvania work sites were open again to in person work by June. So closed for all of April and May 2020. Construction sites, real estate showings, etc reopened with some masking requirements in June 2020. Restaurant dining rooms opened with limited capacity in July, closed again late in the year due to Omicron (bad memory, it was just high case counts), and opened again permanently in January 2021 with zero restrictions.

https://www.pennlive.com/coronaviru...inues-wolf.html
https://www.pennlive.com/food/2021/01/pa-restaurants-resume-indoor-seating-im-excited-for-the-customers-to-come-back.html

Workplace restrictions went away here after two months, and within nine months of the rose garden conference anything you could even remotely call a 'lockdown' went away. And they're going to punish everyone forever over it.

Im not saying they had to be - im saying a lot of businesses just kept it up by choice. Like the place I last worked could have totally been back in office pretty by like May but we kept WFH full on until 2022. Just because it turned out hey people are happier and they get less sick!

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
https://twitter.com/meetjess/status/1721915377628668093?s=46

nice!

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Good news for californians, apparently CA is requiring insurers to continue providing free tests

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-05-05/free-at-home-covid-tests-end-may-11-how-to-stock-up

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

Huh, some head honcho at Finland’s CDC equivalent said that people “can use masks” if they want to due to the current covid situation. Can’t remember speech like that earlier. Public boosters are lagging since public health is too clogged and can’t administer the boosters.

I wish I could buy one from private healthcare.

Anyways, I need to find out that vid where the guy sniffs his surgical nostalgically and dons a real gas mask afterwards. And never lose that video again.

shazbot
Sep 20, 2004
Ah, hon, ya got arby's all over my acoustic wave machine.

NOBODY CARES

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
It feels a bit icky to post this, but apparently Pfizer is doing a campaign to push for Paxlovid (and vaccines I suppose). Interesting because they are financially incentivized to find and promote information like where to find testing and where to find treatment, and might be decent about keeping information updated. So there are a couple of telehealth providers on their list I have not heard of before:
https://www.knowplango.com/

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Ihmemies posted:

(..)
I need to find out that vid where the guy sniffs his surgical nostalgically and dons a real gas mask afterwards. And never lose that video again.

In this post:

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

Pingui posted:

In this post:

Welp thanks. Seems to be an often requested vid!

Indoor Dying
Dec 13, 2022

Pingui posted:

It feels a bit icky to post this, but apparently Pfizer is doing a campaign to push for Paxlovid (and vaccines I suppose). Interesting because they are financially incentivized to find and promote information like where to find testing and where to find treatment, and might be decent about keeping information updated. So there are a couple of telehealth providers on their list I have not heard of before:
https://www.knowplango.com/

The telehealth links are prob good to be aware of at least, yeah.

But I like these parts of the suggestions to "plan ahead"

quote:

Make sure you have enough masks on hand.

Also have enough at-home COVID-19 test kits and know how to get more.

Find a close and convenient location to get any necessary prescriptions, if appropriate.

Have someone you can turn to who can pick up items you may need during the quarantine period.

Just HAVE these things! Just make them appear, you can do it

HoAssHo
Mar 10, 2005

:love::love::love:
Lmao, you guys, the senior assisted living place I work at has 29 cases - out of 75 residents.

Nobody died in the last couple waves but a lot of the people who got it are doing noticeably worse than before.

I'm extremely bummed to see elderly people who I like and care about decline much more quickly than they would have without covid.


Edit: oh! And those are just the people who popped on a rapid - we haven't even started PCR testing yet!

Bruce Hussein Daddy
Dec 26, 2005

I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

Indoor Dying posted:

The telehealth links are prob good to be aware of at least, yeah.

But I like these parts of the suggestions to "plan ahead"

Just HAVE these things! Just make them appear, you can do it

I had to go inside a pharmacy yesterday to get a paper prescription filled so I had 20ish minutes to kill; so I walked around looking for covid test kits. I am not kidding, it took me 15 minutes to find them. Knee level, near the bp monitors.

HoAssHo
Mar 10, 2005

:love::love::love:
This one lady with covid who is usually a little bit wacky but not aggressively wacky, is running around knocking on people's doors trying to get into their Apartments.

I've seen it plenty of times before - covid drastically accelerates dementia.

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Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003
You mention pfizer's incentive for people to test.

https://www.lucirabypfizer.com/ has been updated finally, so it looks like lucira might be available again, but only the COVID & FLU version, which the HCP version is available but costs like 75 each in bulk, so I doubt the consumer one will be cheaper. Of course lucira tests were this expensive originally, so it's not a shock. But nobody is going to be buying these.

Metrix will be half that cost asuming they stick around. Hell even cue is cheaper I think.

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