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AndrewP posted:he was a year removed from one of his best when they signed him! That doesn't suddenly make him immune to aging or accumulated injuries. e: like are you really making the argument that a sudden upswing in production for a 37 year old is actually not the statistical outlier here?
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He'll only be three years removed from that great season once next year kicks off!
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sirtommygunn posted:You only believe that because Rodgers never got the chance to show he was not the big name you remember him to be. He got hurt fast enough that he can live on as a what if fantasy in your head that is always going to be better than reality. I don't know if you remember the 4 snaps he played but he looked like poo poo and there's nothing to say that wouldn't have continued throughout the season, or that he wouldn't have gotten hurt later. Carr isn't good but he's an NFL level player and he's able to stay healthy. With the options we know were available to us, he was the best option at the time. I agree with the overall point that it’s entirely possible Rodgers is just old and washed now. But lol are you serious with “his 4 snaps looked bad”? It’s a beyond meaningless sample. Mahomes’ first drive ended in a punt. Tua fumbled. Guess they should scrap those bums too.
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Docjowles posted:I agree with the overall point that it’s entirely possible Rodgers is just old and washed now. But lol are you serious with “his 4 snaps looked bad”? It’s a beyond meaningless sample. Mahomes’ first drive ended in a punt. Tua fumbled. Guess they should scrap those bums too. this is an entirely valid methodology in the forum that encourages Kawalimus' analysis
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Docjowles posted:I agree with the overall point that it’s entirely possible Rodgers is just old and washed now. But lol are you serious with “his 4 snaps looked bad”? It’s a beyond meaningless sample. Mahomes’ first drive ended in a punt. Tua fumbled. Guess they should scrap those bums too. I mean what about the sample size of his entire previous year?
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Docjowles posted:I agree with the overall point that it’s entirely possible Rodgers is just old and washed now. But lol are you serious with “his 4 snaps looked bad”? It’s a beyond meaningless sample. Mahomes’ first drive ended in a punt. Tua fumbled. Guess they should scrap those bums too. You work with what you have available. He wasn't just a victim of circumstance, he was looking at wide open receivers and holding the ball until a defender hit him. Grounding your reasoning in things *that have actually happened* is better than going on imagination, which is what everyone else has available to them in this argument. If we had more snaps from him I'd consider those, just like any sane person does for any other name you mentioned.
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Febreeze posted:It's really strange the Jets didn't go out and try to sign a different cheap backup over Zach Wilson. They were screwed when Rodgers went down but Wilson is one of the worst backups in the league and you'd think they'd have realized that after last year and picked up somebody like Trevor Simian or something. Hell even Josh Dobbs. Someone different they could throw out there. Nor did they try to pick one up at the trade deadline after it was clear Wilson still sucked rear end So how much of the Jets not picking up a QB is on Rodgers? If there's one QB even he wouldn't be threatened by post-injury it's Wilson, so I can imagine him going "look, I'll be back sooner or later, Zach's fine, don't bother with that Dobbs guy" and using whatever influence he might have to help squash any QB moves so that he can come back and play hero once he's cleared. Obviously the Rodgers contract is a huge reason why the Jets stayed out of the QB market, but knowing what we do about Aaron, I can't discount him being secretly thrilled by how bad Zach is
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Diva Cupcake posted:A lot of team have OLs that suck rear end. Bad OL play is an epidemic. Those teams can still score touchdowns on occasion.
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kiimo posted:JETS fans chanting we want Sapp and then drafting Kyle Brady will never get old That ruled.
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Like, there's always this automatic "oh you think you know better than the front office?" response to fans during the draft. Jets fans have shown historically their drafting is significantly superior to the organization's. Like it isn't close.
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The Jets roster is too good to have settled for Derek Carr with Rodgers available
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Sometimes it feels like I have a distinct financial advantage over my peers by virtue of never betting on sports. Having kids wipes that out times 100 but it's nice to have a little edge. The god damned wasted toilet paper and food. Swear to God.
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Nodoze posted:The Jets roster is too good to have settled for Derek Carr with Rodgers available The Jets roster is too good to have settled for Zach Wilson with the crumbling husk of Rodgers unavailable
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Nervous posted:The god damned wasted toilet paper and food. Swear to God. Oh my God the food. My son loves trash cans and all things trash so even if he loves a meal he'll leave a bunch on his plate to put in the compost. So wasteful, it's infuriating.
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sirtommygunn posted:Grounding your reasoning in things *that have actually happened* is better than going on imagination, which is what everyone else has available to them in this argument. The thing is you are imagining that everything is going to stay the same based on the smallest sample size ever, and trying to shame other people for noting a very large sample size that says maybe this would not be the case once he settled in if the injury didn't happen. There are arguments about why it was a bad idea, this is not one of them.
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Nodoze posted:The Jets roster is too good to have settled for Derek Carr with Rodgers available Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr had pretty much the same season last year and that was with Carr being hamstrung by McDaniels. The Jets didn’t sign two seasons ago Aaron Rodgers, they signed the one coming off a frustrating and supposedly injury plagued year where he often looked indecisive and unwilling to take what the defense was giving him. And they gave up a potential first and second rounder to do it. And they brought in a dipshit OC to entice him and signed all of his buddies. This isn’t revisionist history, plenty of people here at the time called out that it was a bad idea to give up so much for on an old, stubborn and obviously fading QB because he was an injury risk and was unlikely to return to a level of play that warranted the cost. The Jets would absolutely be better off right now if they’d signed Carr and drafted a tackle with the pick they swapped with the Packers.
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Yeah the Jets were gambling that the year before was a fluke. Which if you want to high roll then sure go crazy, but pretending it wasn’t a gamble just because Rodgers is a name you know is insane
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the comparison to signing brady is also silly because brady is brady and every other qb gets ravaged by time. do you really gamble on a guy being the second exception to the rule?
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Here's the opening day starters over 32: Aaron Rodgers: 39 years old Matthew Stafford: 35 years old Ryan Tannehill: 35 years old Kirk Cousins: 35 years old Russell Wilson: 34 years old They're all hurt except Wilson. If you're rolling with an old bag of bones you need a quality backup.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr had pretty much the same season last year and that was with Carr being hamstrung by McDaniels. Yeah this is a better way of putting it I think. One possible unintended benefit I see is that Rodgers is going to gently caress off (even before the injury) in a year or two and your window with that D is right now. Carr might be just good enough to get you into QB purgatory where he's too good to get rid of and too bad to actually win anything. At least you will know when the rebuild needs to happen this way. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr had pretty much the same season last year and that was with Carr being hamstrung by McDaniels. Aaron Rodgers had ONE season of Carr-like production the year they traded literally Davante Adams. He won MVP at 38. Saying he was just a husk of a formerly great QB is bananas.
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The rationale is that a team's ceiling with Derek Carr in the AFC is maybe the wildcard. Whatever. If you're optimizing for a championship level defense's window, with the assumption that you have to go through Mahomes and Burrow and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson is that you need a QB with a high ceiling. Yeah, Rodgers is old. He also won 2 of the last 3 MVPs and there were reasonable extenuating circumstances to his "decline" outside of just OLD. If you don't have a QB, there's are no means of getting a good one without risk.
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Aaron Rodgers' 2022 season would've been Aikman's best. 
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AndrewP posted:Aaron Rodgers had ONE season of Carr-like production the year they traded literally Davante Adams. He won MVP at 38. Saying he was just a husk of a formerly great QB is bananas. manning was mvp and then two years later he was done. it's not like it's always a gradual, slow decline, it seems like a lot of qbs just hit a certain age and are never the same again
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You might say Tom Brady's arm held up his entire career until his last and he knew it was over. At some point it just doesn't fly with enough velocity to be the difference between a catch and a defended or intercepted pass. Manning's Broncos SB he was absolutely carried
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kiimo posted:
Yeah. When people talk about bad QBs winning super bowls they should include that one. He was throwing ducks all year.
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Parallax posted:manning was mvp and then two years later he was done. it's not like it's always a gradual, slow decline, it seems like a lot of qbs just hit a certain age and are never the same again Manning had a neck/disc injury that got worse. Rodgers' arm seemed totally fine in 2022.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Rodgers was still the correct move and they got hosed by fate. Carr is bad and expensive. Jimmy G is trash. Maybe they should have drafted Will Levis but that was never happening after the Rodgers trade. I know this lacks a lot of context, 3rd downs vary in length and RZ opportunities are affected by score effects and initial yard line, but still I'm looking at the Bears and Lions placements and going  .That would actually be a pretty funny quiz, if the data points were plotted and you had to guess the teams, sporcle style.
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Did anyone watch Rodgers this preseason or during camp? He wasn't throwing ducks. He's obviously lost some mobility but his arm is still incredible.
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AndrewP posted:Aaron Rodgers had ONE season of Carr-like production the year they traded literally Davante Adams. He won MVP at 38. Saying he was just a husk of a formerly great QB is bananas. he was hurt all season and another year older. a 40 year old QB having even another Carr-like season was a risky gamble at best, and: it didn’t pay off
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Diva Cupcake posted:Did anyone watch Rodgers this preseason or during camp? He wasn't throwing ducks. He's obviously lost some mobility but his arm is still incredible. arm strength doesn't matter if you're on your rear end or, as it happened, the sideline
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Diva Cupcake posted:The rationale is that a team's ceiling with Derek Carr in the AFC is maybe the wildcard. Whatever. If you're optimizing for a championship level defense's window, with the assumption that you have to go through Mahomes and Burrow and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson is that you need a QB with a high ceiling. Yeah, Rodgers is old. He also won 2 of the last 3 MVPs and there were reasonable extenuating circumstances to his "decline" outside of just OLD. I don't think shooting for the moon and going with Rodgers over Carr was irrational. It makes total sense in a league where you just saw the Rams and Bucs pull it off. It's just the lack of fall back plan via a passable backup QB that is inexcusable.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I don't think shooting for the moon and going with Rodgers over Carr was irrational. It's just the lack of fall back plan via a passable backup QB that is inexcusable.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I don't think shooting for the moon and going with Rodgers over Carr was irrational. It's just the lack of fall back plan via a passable backup QB that is inexcusable. Yeah, that feels like the issue. Jets took a gamble on a guy who was pretty recently still an MVP caliber guy with one down year as the Packers became a mess. They knew the risk going in with getting an old fart back there, which makes the not having a backup plan in place weird. I don't think going for Rodgers was a bad move, it was just clearly a gamble that immediately and hilariously backfired. Carr would have made the Jets better than they are right now, but if they got good Rodgers, they could be feasibly up with the top of the AFC with that defense. That was the gamble, they lost. Febreeze fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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Zach Wilson shouldn't even be in the NFL. But the Jets FO felt compelled to make him their backup under the guise of him "learning" how to play at an NFL level from Rodgers, and in doing so set this season on fire. The only rationale explanation is sunk cost fallacy.
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