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tokin opposition posted:I just assume anyone who was alive in the 80s developed psychopathy due to a strange combination of hairspray, toy commercial cartoon linguistic programming, and ambient cocaine fumes and were just seeing the first generation post-psychotic noosphere event The Great CFC event of the early 90s
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Ohtori Akio posted:i won't be watching lain I watched it twice so it balances out between us.
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Some Guy TT posted:on the flip end of it theres also the extent to which motherhood has been simplified into an emotional commitment with no materialist concerns whatsoever and since women just naturally have built in emotional superpowers any woman is presumed to be mother material if they bootstrap it hard enough this is an implicit assumption of the safe legal and rare centrist abortion plank that hillary clinton put into vogue in the nineties and the real frustrating thing about this superficially girl power position is that it actually increases the social burden women are expected to shoulder for childrearing since the same fetishized role doesnt apply to fatherhood exactly exactly. why engels on the family is so far ahead of his time -- the burden of raising well-adjusted, pro-social children necessarily involves mutli-generational households and minimal transfer of wealth. we are left with this remnant of parenthood that stems from inheritance law and now our whole society is hosed. whatever happened to it takes a village miss hillary girl
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57001 posted:exactly exactly. why engels on the family is so far ahead of his time -- the burden of raising well-adjusted, pro-social children necessarily involves mutli-generational households and minimal transfer of wealth. we are left with this remnant of parenthood that stems from inheritance law and now our whole society is hosed. i can't shut the gently caress up about it but in a way it's really not, a bunch of the utopian communes were organized around trying remove thingness by making child care a shared burden and breaking marriage as a property arrangement. and it's really not new, plato's republic from over two thousand years ago makes the point that children ought to raised by the society
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parenthood as conceived in our culture today is very fundamentally authoritarian imo in that the influence of outside actors isnt just treated dismissively but with explicit hostility for reasons that have become increasingly petty such that kids really dont have communities as we understand the term they might have social networks distinct from their parents but thats not the same thing
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kids are basically subject to the same progressive creep of isolation and ownership as every other aspect of society. if a kid is exposed to something which isnt part of the Plan, thats a problem, because the kid is Mine. so childhood is now reduced to the experience of an indoor cat or garaged car: often comfortable but not independent or growth-oriented
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And not helped by suburban isolation and atomisation, meaning a lot of kids are basically enforced shut-ins. It's no wonder the suburbs produce so many hosed up people, kids who aren't so much raised as kept alive and vaguely presentable while they spend most of their time unsupervised on the internet. Maybe something to how like the rest of liberalism, liberal feminism ends up limited to the lifestyle of what amounts of play-acting petty nobility, where constant social climbing is the only reason for existence and everything is an asset to be wielded, hence the obsession with careerism, clout and legacy and the zero-sum game of how even theoretical opportunities must be denied to anyone who might not be you, or those whom you can live vicariously through. Ghost Leviathan has issued a correction as of 09:06 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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if not for that, how would we be posting on the something awful forums
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Ohtori Akio posted:if not for that, how would we be posting on the something awful forums we make this joke all the time but i think theres a distinction to be made between actually having conversations with people on a bbs message board and just communicating via roblox comments or parasocial youtube obsessions or maybe having "friends" in the sense that you might recognize certain user names that show up in splatoon lobbies even if you know basically nothing about who they even are
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Some Guy TT posted:we make this joke all the time but i think theres a distinction to be made between actually having conversations with people on a bbs message board and just communicating via roblox comments or parasocial youtube obsessions or maybe having "friends" in the sense that you might recognize certain user names that show up in splatoon lobbies even if you know basically nothing about who they even are yeah definitely and i think people whod still post on the something awful forums long for that slower more personal internet. but societally speaking, its not coming back any time soon
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Some Guy TT posted:we make this joke all the time but i think theres a distinction to be made between actually having conversations with people on a bbs message board and just communicating via roblox comments or parasocial youtube obsessions or maybe having "friends" in the sense that you might recognize certain user names that show up in splatoon lobbies even if you know basically nothing about who they even are Eh, but then there's Discord or AIM or MSN or whatever going back, a lot of people have friends online arguably as close as many irl ones, especially given contact hours aren't wildly limited by free time between school and extracurriculars. Something to be said for LGBTQ+ and neurodivergent movements exploding as those generations came of age and people with the same problems got to know each other, even if tumblr was a hell of an awkward puberty. People who would otherwise be isolated and ostracised got to find friends and support networks. On that note also something about how the idea that there is a designated preset life script you must adhere to and any deviance from that is failure, which has seriously hosed so many people up and looks so pathetic from the outside. A lot of people don't seem to have gotten over the idea that they got married and had kids not because they actually wanted to but because it's just what they thought you were supposed to do, and it really shows.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And not helped by suburban isolation and atomisation, meaning a lot of kids are basically enforced shut-ins. It's no wonder the suburbs produce so many hosed up people, kids who aren't so much raised as kept alive and vaguely presentable while they spend most of their time unsupervised on the internet. I read the thread you know, if you want to say something about me like this do it to my avatar. It's also important to know that this trend is now in its second or third generation depending on the family from the boomers on down, which means mental health issues in parents are both more common, more social in nature, and less and less seen as a problem. 12% of Americans have no close friends, and those that do spend less time than ever. At some point the idea of being an extroverted, people person is going to become the exception rather than expectation. I sure as hell didn't spend 16+ hours online from K-12 because I was a happy, well adjusted and socialized child. E: poo poo almost got sincere there, uh buttfarts
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Nobody posts here because they're super well adjusted. We're all just dumber modern day Diogeneses hollering at passers-by from our little individual sewer pipes, not because we think deep down that it'll make a difference but because we like the sound our voice makes when it echoes off the filthy walls of our sodden hovels
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drat horror queefs posted:Nobody posts here because they're super well adjusted.
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Halloween Jack posted:As opposed to, what, the extremely normal and well adjusted people on Twitter and TikTok? I'm pretty sure people who act weird online are now a majority of the population in developed countries. Or at least the United States. I'm starting to really believe that the socialite types are actually infinitely more unhinged than any shut in is.
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drat horror queefs posted:Nobody posts here because they're super well adjusted. Okay I do want to clarify my use of the term well-adjusted because I don't mean it in like, the outgoing, "normal" sense but the isn't-shooting-puppies-and-torturing-kittens-in-the-backyard sense. I think many of you well-adjusted by that measure 
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Diet Crack posted:I'm starting to really believe that the socialite types are actually infinitely more unhinged than any shut in is. The bougie failkids, absolutely.
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drat horror queefs posted:Nobody posts here because they're super well adjusted. im normal
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i was just reading an article about no nut november that appeared to take the position that porn addiction is made up pseudoscience designed to shame people for having sexual thoughts is this a belief with actual rigor behind it or is it just a contrarianish response to the presumed misogynists doing no nut november
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Some Guy TT posted:i was just reading an article about no nut november that appeared to take the position that porn addiction is made up pseudoscience designed to shame people for having sexual thoughts There's definitely people who basically consume so much media that's porn, might as well be porn or has been modded into porn to the point where they forget there's non-pornographic media, but they are a wildly irrelevant minority compared to the people still suffering the religion-based social programming designed to make people ashamed of any and all sexuality, yes. No nut november is literally a silly meme that's just movember for internet weirdos and nothing more, the people who obsess over what internet weirdos are doing are literally just an adjacent brand of internet weirdos with even less self-awareness.
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Some Guy TT posted:i was just reading an article about no nut november that appeared to take the position that porn addiction is made up pseudoscience designed to shame people for having sexual thoughts That’s like saying there’s no such thing as weed addiction, imo .. practically any behavior can become compulsive and lead to IRL problems. Think of people who watch porn at work, or people who masturbate to porn instead of having sex with their partner. Ghost Leviathan posted:There's definitely people who basically consume so much media that's porn, might as well be porn or has been modded into porn to the point where they forget there's non-pornographic media, but they are a wildly irrelevant minority compared to the people still suffering the religion-based social programming designed to make people ashamed of any and all sexuality, yes. Is it really an irrelevant minority? Pornhub gets more unique visitors than Netflix these days. And I’m not really sure too many younger folks are “suffering the religion-based social programming” these days but maybe thats still a thing in the South
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The Top G posted:Is it really an irrelevant minority? Pornhub gets more unique visitors than Netflix these days. And I’m not really sure too many younger folks are “suffering the religion-based social programming” these days but maybe thats still a thing in the South Yes. And of course it does, Pornhub should be compared to YouTube, not a completely different business model. And also you are very wrong, that social programming of sex being inherently shameful and disgusting continues to be omnipresent and the background radiation of society through parenting, pop culture and even most progressive ideology.
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I think porn can break people's brains but I'm not sure its especially potent in that regard. Your standard Fox News watcher is about on par with the insanity of a man that jacks off at work.
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Some Guy TT posted:i was just reading an article about no nut november that appeared to take the position that porn addiction is made up pseudoscience designed to shame people for having sexual thoughts There was some kind of comprehensive analysis of the data released recently that basically said porn addiction isn't a real thing, and even for those where they watch too much porn it does not function like a true addiction, and any treatment treating it like a true addiction fails or makes it worse. But I'd have to dig to find it
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's definitely people who basically consume so much media that's porn, might as well be porn or has been modded into porn to the point where they forget there's non-pornographic media, but they are a wildly irrelevant minority compared to the people still suffering the religion-based social programming designed to make people ashamed of any and all sexuality, yes.
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Porn is a culture war plank, so there are nutcases on both sides of it (thinking of Tatsuya Ishida here), but they are not statistically significant and to think otherwise is mock-thread-brained
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Whirling posted:I think porn can break people's brains but I'm not sure its especially potent in that regard. Your standard Fox News watcher is about on par with the insanity of a man that jacks off at work. Being narrowly right about the contradictions underlying something and then refusing to extrapolate it to anything other than their pet grudge is a pretty common reactionary trope
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loquacius posted:Porn is a culture war plank, so there are nutcases on both sides of it (thinking of Tatsuya Ishida here), but they are not statistically significant and to think otherwise is mock-thread-brained Yeah. The answer to "are the reactionaries right" is always "no, you got suckered" not "let's look for the data proving a negative while tut-tutting".
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The Top G posted:That’s like saying there’s no such thing as weed addiction, imo .. practically any behavior can become compulsive and lead to IRL problems. Think of people who watch porn at work, or people who masturbate to porn instead of having sex with their partner. now im imagining what if there was such a thing as withholding weed wednesday would anyone feel the need to say that it was a conspiracy being pushed by tobacco and not just people who think they might be habitually doing too much weed using it as an excuse to cut back
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big tobacco bought up a lot of weed stuff over the past few years, these days they're probably pushing people to do too much
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jacking off is on the bds list
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Reminded of how the backstory of A Handmaid's Tale is that fundamentalist Christians teamed up with radical feminists with the promise of eliminating porn and prostitution (which went about as well for them as the Strasserites) and iirc it was an extrapolation trends of feminist and progressive groups buying into the narratives of conservatives, and inevitably paying for it down the line. See the Tipper Gore alliance of the 90s.
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man we sure dodged a bullet with that one can you imagine what a lovely position the feminist movement would be in today if it had decided to align itself with a political organization that was willing to pay lip service to some parts of the platform while completely smothering any meaningful attempts at broader societal change now if youll excuse me i need to go phone bank for the democrats since this country is doomed if the cheeto gets back into the white house
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I've talked to a lot of dudes who refuse to even touch their own dicks because of bogus pseudo science concerning T, gains, etc. but which mostly boil down to ideas about a lack of control and stability, personal inadequacy, etc. It seems to be wrapped up in that cluster of ideas that constitute "self-help", but seem to involve inculcating a large number of reactionary opinions along with some basic diet and exercise routines.
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Porn is a lovely industry that consumes and disposes of young, naive people at an insane rate and there's so many serious questions about how it operates, and what ideals it promulgates in chasing the bottom dollar. But it's not unique in that way.
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the main problem is that everything is so locked up in binaries you cant really discuss anything superficially coded as "good" in critical terms even when the thing being criticized doesnt have anything to do with the relevant identity marker that has an aura of mandatory positivity like for one example of this i saw someone in justin roiland discourse say that its really unfair to get on the guys case for bringing a porn star to the office because whats wrong with porn stars when someone else pointed out that the porn star in question had been accused of sexual predation the first person stated that this is mutually exclusive with being a porn star they immediately corrected themselves but the meaning of the freudian slip is obvious some people see sex work mentioned in a negative context and immediately force themselves to assume that this could only possibly be due to anti sex worker animus to hell with the context clearly thats just some kind of cover for bigotry the real frustrating part of this well meaning knee jerk reaction is that it makes it drat near impossible to discuss issues within the industry since any sort of materialist discussion of labor conditions is just assumed to be reactionary antisex rhetoric in disguise this is great for mindgeek and its great for the minority of sex workers who advocate for anarcholibertarian labor conditions but im hard pressed to see how literally anyone else benefits from this
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