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Typically, contextless one sentence plot summaries are probably not going to give you a completely accurate picture of what happens or whether or not it's interesting. Char's Counterattack is a movie where Zeon comes back from the dead for the second time and tries to drop a giant space object on Earth again.
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Colony drops are basically Gundam's Death Star.
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Arc Hammer posted:I dunno, regale me with some context to make that spoiler text not sound like the dumbest idea imaginable then. The best context is starting the manga and deciding if you like how it tells a story enough to continue to the point where the thing mentioned actually happens, because that thing happens after all of the events of 0083 are resolved and the characters end up in pretty different places than the original Stardust Memory left them.
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Kanos posted:The best context is starting the manga and deciding if you like how it tells a story enough to continue to the point where the thing mentioned actually happens, because that thing happens after all of the events of 0083 are resolved and the characters end up in pretty different places than the original Stardust Memory left them. That's not what he asked for.
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/giantrobotfm/status/1723814222746751247?t=xuYj3XZHb0OJYs0yyPTXtw&s=19 lmao
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Really is the watching Tominian Gundam vs watching its imitators the post.
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Is that actual or just a parody of the "I saw Shazam! (essay)" and "Just saw Captain Marvel. "
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Actually it's a parody of The Killer and The Marvels from this week
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Yeah, it did feel a bit out of character. 08th MS team spends way too much time on mecha porn for me to believe Kojima got nothing out of it.
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Thr giveaway is that the CCA Kojima tweet is semi coherent. I expect much more descriptive reviews when he's gushing about a movie he likes
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Yeah the final arc of 0083 Rebellion is weird and trash. It's not exactly as described but you can definitely sum it up as that. It's nowhere to the same scale and half-assed to hell. I'm more interested in the side plots, like Monsha and team basically being clandestinely targeted by other Titans to clean up loose ends, yet it's unclear whether it's just someone looking to earn favor with the leaders or actual orders from above. It's really more of an epilogue but instead of a brief bit in 0083 of Kou happy to reunite with his best bud Keith, his pal Mora, and that other person, it's half a volume of tying down loose ends and two volumes of trying to keep the story going but instead of the new adventures of Cima at the Jupiter Energy Fleet, it's Monsha and pals who are still soldiers who are determined not to get bogged down by politics, as they get bogged down by politics.
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Argas posted:Yeah the final arc of 0083 Rebellion is weird and trash. It's not exactly as described but you can definitely sum it up as that. It's nowhere to the same scale and half-assed to hell. I just let 0083 Rebellion go once the core story of Stardust Memory was concluded. Felt like everything after was fluff with the side gang I was never as attached to anyway. 0083 Rebellion is still a distinct upgrade in a lot of ways over the OVA. Nina is the only character who really suffers from the revisions, but its not like she was some outstanding Gundam character to start with.
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0083 is a relatively tight story with a relatively small cast. Nina has a place in that cast and she's a frustrating character at best. Rebellion is a much messier and less tightly plotted story with a larger, messier, and unorganized cast. Nina is a much smaller part of that cast and although still frustrating, she's just very eh. Also, during Kou's epilogue, he momentarily hallucinates the anime's Nina also being there in the jeep with Mora but it turns out nope lol fake out because she's apparently going to collude with Anaheim's Axis-sympathetic engineers.
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Arc Hammer posted:I shudder to think that they somehow made Nina worse. Shudder deep into the night, they amped up all her worst character traits to 11 and then made her a fuckin zeon sympathizer in the end cause Gato's dick was just that good war crimes be damned.
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Honestly "Nina is just a completely awful person" feels like a reasonable way to fix the character if it is intentional.
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly "Nina is just a completely awful person" feels like a reasonable way to fix the character if it is intentional. That's how I heard someone describe her role in 0083, that the manga stopped hemming and haw-ing and just went in on her being The Worst.
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I could buy that the answer was "don't redeem her, just make her the worst". it would explain a lot.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:I could buy that the answer was "don't redeem her, just make her the worst". it would explain a lot. Yeah, that's basically it. IMO it makes her a better character, because she's an active agent in her own awfulness instead of just kind of hanging out like a fart in the room sighing about the men in her life for 6 episodes before showing up at two minutes to midnight to point a gun at Kou to stop him from preventing a colony drop followed by hooking up with Kou at the end anyway because the other option is dead.
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So Gundam X has officially been shelved, which is leaving my Big List of Gundam like this
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Kanos posted:Yeah, that's basically it. IMO it makes her a better character, because she's an active agent in her own awfulness instead of just kind of hanging out like a fart in the room sighing about the men in her life for 6 episodes before showing up at two minutes to midnight to point a gun at Kou to stop him from preventing a colony drop followed by hooking up with Kou at the end anyway because the other option is dead. She doesn't stop him from preventing a colony drop, and the first thing she says when entering the colony control room is that it's too late to stop the colony drop now before pleading with Gato to change the drop point because she thinks it's Jaburo and she wants to prevent that. She shoots Kou because she doesn't want one man she loves killing another man she loves, not to prevent him from stopping the colony drop. Which the narrative has gone out of it's way to establish no-one can stop at that point. The only thing the button that Gato is about to press does is finalize the drop coordinates, not stop the colony from falling further or something. I haven't seen 0083 in a good while, but I'm also pretty sure she doesn't even acknowledge Gato as significant to her until about 2 or 3 episodes before the finale and that the only waffling she does on them is basically that one scene in the control room. Nina's characterization is kind of poo poo in the end, but people really overblow why it's poo poo and frankly, I find Kou's childishness throughout the story far more egregious personally. Along with how much of a nothing character Gato is beyond the first two episodes. And just how much of a shitheel Monsha is while trying to play his actions for comedy. South Burning is kind of a useless lump too, despite how much people seem to like him. Kou nearly destroys their best mobile suit because of his own childishness and no-one, not even his direct loving commanding officer, says a word to him about it. The only outcome is that he mopes for a while because he feels bad about it. tsob fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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tsob posted:She doesn't stop him from preventing a colony drop, and the first thing she says when entering the colony control room is that it's too late to stop the colony drop now before pleading with Gato to change the drop point because she thinks it's Jaburo and she wants to prevent that. She shoots Kou because she doesn't want one man she loves killing another man she loves, not to prevent him from stopping the colony drop. Which the narrative has gone out of it's way to establish no-one can stop at that point. The only thing the button that Gato is about to press does is finalize the drop coordinates, not stop the colony from falling further or something. I haven't seen 0083 in a good while, but I'm also pretty sure she doesn't even acknowledge Gato as significant to her until about 2 or 3 episodes before the finale and that the only waffling she does on them is basically that one scene in the control room. Nina's characterization is kind of poo poo in the end, but people really overblow why it's poo poo and frankly, I find Kou's childishness throughout the story far more egregious personally. Along with how much of a nothing character Gato is beyond the first two episodes. Nina has functionally no characterization after basically the "Kou trashes the GP01 like a dumbass and goes AWOL" bit and basically just exists in the plot doing nothing of particular note until the very end where she shows up at the final confrontation between the two male leads. Also yes, nobody was going to stop the colony from dropping wholly at that point, but Gato went in there to make sure it dropped where they wanted it to drop instead of somewhere less harmful. It was important enough that Gato left his giant mobile armor, the only thing actually capable of fighting the Federation forces outside effectively, and went in himself to make sure it was done, and Nina shot Kou and did nothing to try to stop Gato. Kou also sucks, but he doesn't basically drop out of the show at the midway point.
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She has dramatically less characterization because she's not a lead character, she's a secondary character and they always have functionally less characterization than the lead characters. Which I disagree amounts to "functionally none" after quickly skimming those episodes, since the back half of the series spends several episodes building up a budding relationship between her and Kou, having her become drawn into things on the Moon at Anaheim's facility as well as with Kelly (with Kelly and Lautera acting as contrasts to Kou and Nina) and having her own plot line running with the designer of Gundam Unit 3 while reinforcing her feelings for Kou. All of which includes her trying to get Kou to not get involved in the combat any further because she clearly has feelings for him and doesn't want him drawn into something she feels is already ruining her. Is it fantastic characterization? No, but (a) nothing in 0083 amounts to that and (b) she's not a combatant so her avenues of interaction are dramatically reduced as the show becomes increasingly combat focused. The fact it's all thrown in the trash with the last 2 or 3 episodes, and never actually amounts to anything is more egregious than any of the rest of it. That aside, she goes into the colony control room with the specific intention of stopping Gato from dropping a colony on Jaburo and then finds out he was never intending on dropping it there in the first place; so job done from her point of view really. She still picks up a gun with the intention of forcing him to stop what he's doing before he does the only thing left by the time she enters the room to confirm the adjustment though. She's shaking when she does it, but that's not remotely surprising given she's not a trained combatant and is pointing at gun at someone she is now established as having feelings for. She only has half a second doing so before Kou does shoot Gato though, and it changes nothing because all Gato had to do was pull a switch (not hit a button as I previously thought), and he still does it as he staggers from Kou's shot. If a trained soldier who hates him and has every reason in the world to want to kill him actually shooting him in the stomach doesn't stop him from pulling the switch, what hope does an untrained civilian who is shaking of making a shot that'll stop Gato from pulling that switch? About the only shot that would do so being a bullet to the brain that immediately cuts off all function. So what more could she reasonably be expected to have done to stop Gato without removing her from that scene or just re-writing the personality and capability of actors involved entirely?
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Waffleman_ posted:So Gundam X has officially been shelved, which is leaving my Big List of Gundam like this Yeah that’s fair. Gundam X isn’t good. It’s not bad either but it’s not good. And now you get to watch Victory, which is good.
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Arc Hammer posted:Thr giveaway is that the CCA Kojima tweet is semi coherent. I expect much more descriptive reviews when he's gushing about a movie he likes Also we know what kojima thinks of CCA because he’s posted about it before https://vxtwitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/1217985466231738368
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Uso doesn't suffer nearly as much mentally as other pilots but he is often very confused at his enemies tactics.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah that’s fair. Gundam X isn’t good. It’s not bad either but it’s not good. Probably better than most of what's left on that list, though.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah that’s fair. Gundam X isn’t good. It’s not bad either but it’s not good. Did people turn around on Victory or something? When I posted about watching it this thread was all about how poo poo it was.
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Nuebot posted:Did people turn around on Victory or something? When I posted about watching it this thread was all about how poo poo it was. No, not really. It's not a common thing to say, but I do hope they like it.
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