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The first episode was alright, but it was also pretty standard first episode Get The Gundam so it's hard to tell yet
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I'm pretty sure me and Gripweed are the only people who regularly post who love Victory. If consensus has shifted on it it is towards it being okay rather than becoming good.
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Nov 15, 2023 06:29
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Nuebot posted:Did people turn around on Victory or something? When I posted about watching it this thread was all about how poo poo it was. Well, if you watched I suppose you can see some reasons why people might dislike it, but it is also one of the shows that dragged around a hyperbolically bad reputation similar to ZZ. Just need more people to try it and/or reevaluate, since it is good.
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Nov 15, 2023 06:34
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ZZ is good, Victory is also good but dragged down by the misogyny and gender essentialism
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Nov 15, 2023 07:09
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chrome line posted:Uso is very well adjusted considering how much he suffers Unreasonably well adjusted, to be honest. On the one end, you get someone like Loran who goes through some bad situations, shakes a bit, but he levels out and gets through things without major damage. On the other end, you have guys like Kamille and (outside of Gundam) Shinji who get a nonstop shitstorm and build up into a full on traumatic crash before any recovery is possible. Uso, meanwhile, goes through the following cycle: 1) Uso goes out pretty well adjusted. 2) Something absurdly traumatic happens. 3) Something absurdly traumatic happens. 4) Something absurdly traumatic happens. 5) Uso freaks out. 6) Uso levels out. 7) Uso is feeling fine, ready for another day of absurd trauma. It makes the constant horrible events feel much more ridiculous when things like carrying around his mother's severed head give Uso less lingering issue than Amuro got from, say, seeing a stranger try to kill him and die.
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chiasaur11 posted:Unreasonably well adjusted, to be honest. Uso is more well adjusted than is reasonable to expect, but he's still pretty hosed up by the end of the show. He's not exactly a happy go lucky kid by the end of things!
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Nov 15, 2023 09:22
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chrome line posted:ZZ is good, Victory is also good but dragged down by the misogyny and gender essentialism It's certainly an interesting show if nothing else, especially considering G Gundam came out the next year, talk about a tonal swing
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Nov 15, 2023 09:31
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all i know about V is that it has bathtubs, bikinis and bikers.
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Show quality aside the Victory and the V2 are some of the best looking MS ever.
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Nov 15, 2023 13:56
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Nuebot posted:Did people turn around on Victory or something? When I posted about watching it this thread was all about how poo poo it was. man I have been pro-Victory since I first watched it ages ago. That's the problem, most of the anti-Victory sentiment is just old "common knowledge" that Victory is bad. But if you watch it you find out it's good.
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Gaius Marius posted:I'm pretty sure me and Gripweed are the only people who regularly post who love Victory. If consensus has shifted on it it is towards it being okay rather than becoming good. I've defended Victory in this thread for like half a decade. I will say that it's absolutely not a show for everyone, and I understand people who don't like it - provided that they don't like it based on trying to watch it and bouncing off, as opposed to not liking it because they saw a clip of the bikini bazooka scene and went "lol tomino be crazy!".
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Victory was fine. It's pretty solidly in my "eh, maybe" category for a rewatch. I just hated Chronicle a lot for being absolutely dull, the rest of my issues with it come down a lot on the side of how the show handles it's female cast and that does get offputting in places. Also not a fan of how they did my boy Odelo. I'll agree that it's an interesting watch and I've recced it to folks with the "hey it may not be for you" warning.
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Nov 15, 2023 17:32
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Victory is probably near the top of my list for "Gundam series that would be better with maybe half the episode count." (Which is to be fair almost all Gundam series.)
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Victory might be one of the only series I'd have liked to be longer. I'd have loved to see them out in space exploring the semi independent colonies or getting up to covert action on the moon. Victory has a fascinating world state, almost Foundation like with the crumbling periphery that still has enough advanced technology to enforce its dominance but is quickly losing that edge. But we don't get a lot of time to see it
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Kanos posted:I've defended Victory in this thread for like half a decade. I mean, I would completely understand if someone swore off Victory entirely just by watching the Lupe bathtub scene with Uso
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Victory isn't bad like Destiny or AGE. It's just not very fun/enjoyable to watch on the whole, the absurd bits and tonally bizarre characters and scripting make it very uneven at times to watch. It's flat out kinda mean. I watched the entire thing and I just don't see revisiting it. It's not unworthy of watching or something you would do best to avoid, but I'd agree its going to get a mixed reception. Everyone will have their own sentiment about it whether they like it or dislike it. The studio editing for the first few episodes is a rough start too.
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My general experience is that commercial properties with interesting settings getting extensions often don't really explore the setting much further in favor of generally doing more of what they were already doing, even if they have to rehash the central conflict somehow. Tomino might not have done that with a longer run but I also dunno that he would have really poked around the interesting parts that much more given his feelings at the time. Maybe if you had dozens of writers hopping on to do series set in that part of the timeline and adding their own secret Zanscare aces.
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Hogama posted:My general experience is that commercial properties with interesting settings getting extensions often don't really explore the setting much further in favor of generally doing more of what they were already doing, even if they have to rehash the central conflict somehow. Tomino might not have done that with a longer run but I also dunno that he would have really poked around the interesting parts that much more given his feelings at the time. I think Victory did do a good job exploring the setting in an elliptical sense, so I think an extension would've went further with exploring new areas of the setting without wasting time reiterating the stuff they've already covered. It's one of the best things about Tomino's work is his conviction in his work and faith in the audience so that he is confident in tossing off some vital details and letting people figure poo poo out for themselves. The Notorious ZSB posted:Victory isn't bad like Destiny or AGE. It's just not very fun/enjoyable to watch on the whole, the absurd bits and tonally bizarre characters and scripting make it very uneven at times to watch. It's flat out kinda mean. I watched the entire thing and I just don't see revisiting it. It's not unworthy of watching or something you would do best to avoid, but I'd agree its going to get a mixed reception. Everyone will have their own sentiment about it whether they like it or dislike it. The studio editing for the first few episodes is a rough start too. Even if you don't like the characters or themes it's got some great fights, absolutely peak fight choreography for Gundam
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Nov 15, 2023 21:26
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The most notable locations in Victory are the solar power station and the cool underwater city. I would've liked to have seen more like the latter.
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Nov 15, 2023 21:30
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Don't forget the Space Ramp
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Having just finished Victory it's absolutely one of my top ranked gundam series but you also absolutely need to have seen enough Tomino era gundam shows for the misogyny to wash over you as a familiar experience and not wild diversions of a deranged mind. Also seconding it as having some of the best fights and animation in the entire series. Chronicle is the bottom-tierest Char though. As pathetic as Jerid with none of the charm. Just an absolute nothing.
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I've seen the entire original Tomino run so I should be good on that.
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GodFish posted:Having just finished Victory it's absolutely one of my top ranked gundam series but you also absolutely need to have seen enough Tomino era gundam shows for the misogyny to wash over you as a familiar experience and not wild diversions of a deranged mind. Also seconding it as having some of the best fights and animation in the entire series. He has the funniest death in the franchise though
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ImpAtom posted:He has the funniest death in the franchise though *splat*
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Tomino is wrong and the fanon theory about Uso being Char's great-grandson would be a cool bit of world building actually.
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Nov 15, 2023 23:08
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God no. Not everyone needs to be related to someone important.
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I also don't believe this, but I do enjoy imagining Char trying to be a dad. Very fun mental image there.
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Ojjeorago posted:Tomino is wrong and the fanon theory about Uso being Char's great-grandson would be a cool bit of world building actually. How was it writing Rise of the Skywalker
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chrome line posted:I also don't believe this, but I do enjoy imagining Char trying to be a dad. Very fun mental image there. "YOUR MOTHER COULD'VE BECOME A MOTHER TO ME!!!"
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Gaius Marius posted:How was it writing Rise of the Skywalker Somehow, Zeon has returned.
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ImpAtom posted:He has the funniest death in the franchise though Imagine being killed by a thud and a cut to commercial break.
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Gaius Marius posted:How was it writing Rise of the Skywalker I bet some Bandai C-suite exec pitched Suletta being related to either Amuro or Char
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Would be weird because it's a different continuity
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Yeah the only alternate continuity that should have a charmuro baby is in Birdie Wing.
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Arc Hammer posted:Uso doesn't suffer nearly as much mentally as other pilots but he is often very confused at his enemies tactics. It's been a while so I don't remember the specifics but it felt like there were 10-15 episodes in the middle around when his mom gets killed where every episode ended with Uso crying to credits. The whole show has a manic depressive vibe but I love the suits and it has the cutest sidekick kid gaggle in Gundam. Love Shakti, Karloman, and Flanders. Also Uso's VA is pretty good at shouting / crying (the middle of Victory is the best part).
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Back in the day there was a massive hate parade making GBS threads on Shakti. Poor girl just wanted the fighting to stop
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I still say Marbet Fingerhat is severely underrated on the weird Gundam name rankings.
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It's a legit last name!
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Waffleman_ posted:I do not believe for a second Char fathered a child Not that I'm pro "Uso is Char's great grandson", but could however totally buy Char having shitloads of illegtimate children everywhere.
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