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Viller posted:He literally never posts proof of anything and just claims everything coming out of Israel is wrong and Hamas, the terror organisation, is a merchant of truth... Israel is a terror organisation, OP Ham fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Nov 16, 2023 |
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the IDF was getting clowned so hard on the Al Shifa post they deleted it
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If none of the US news channels reports on the fact that they're scrubbing their BIG BREAKING NEWS IT WAS OKAY FOR US TO SIEGE THE HOSPITAL video from their Twitter and Youtube then I don't think they're allowed to call themselves journalists anymore, time to reclassify as entertainment alongside Fox.
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Neurolimal posted:If none of the US news channels reports on the fact that they're scrubbing their BIG BREAKING NEWS IT WAS OKAY FOR US TO SIEGE THE HOSPITAL video from their Twitter and Youtube then I don't think they're allowed to call themselves journalists anymore, time to reclassify as entertainment alongside Fox. Yeah don't hold your breath
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Darkly hilarious that Hamas likely wants to keep the hostages alive more than Israel does. Hostages aren't useful dead. Honestly it seems like Israel's leadership immediately wrote them off (given the bombings), and they'd be more convienant dead (at the hands of Hamas terror beasts) so they can justify brutalizing Gaza and killing thousands of children. So #blessed that I can vote against my government supporting this atrocity, while others have to fight the old fashioned way knowing they can likely be blown up anyway just for being in gaza, like so many of their neighbors and family. Oh wait, actually around here it's considered impolite to talk about thousands of dead children at the hands of the close ally we support and protect. Lots of hand wringing about how it's impacting bidens approval rates though! Can't wait to somehow vote against this.
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punishedkissinger posted:the IDF was getting clowned so hard on the Al Shifa post they deleted it Did not expect them to go ahead and delete their obvious lies lol. What is going on over there behind the scenes?
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Witness accounts of the Al-Shifa invasion are starting to come out: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/all-men-16-years-and-above-raise-your-hands-how-al-shifa-raid-unfolded quote:Three hours before dawn, witnesses and doctors inside Gaza’s largest hospital reported that Israeli tanks had entered the sprawling medical compound on the western edge of Gaza City. “We can see them pointing the guns of the tanks toward the hospital … they are inside the complex with the tanks,” Khader Al Za’anoun, a reporter for the Palestinian news agency Wafa, told CNN. It's going to be really loving embarrassing if Israel doesn't turn up something better than a handful of guns and a couple of grenades. They've spent way too much time hyping Al-Shifa as the Hamas command center, and drawn quite a bit of media attention to it with the various strikes on or near Al-Shifa. If the most they can come up with is some small arms, the news sites are going to go with photos of the mass grave that starving doctors are digging on hospital property instead. Neurolimal posted:If none of the US news channels reports on the fact that they're scrubbing their BIG BREAKING NEWS IT WAS OKAY FOR US TO SIEGE THE HOSPITAL video from their Twitter and Youtube then I don't think they're allowed to call themselves journalists anymore, time to reclassify as entertainment alongside Fox. There's more important things for the media to spend valuable TV time on, like the fact that the UN Security Council has passed a resolution calling for a humanitarian pause in Gaza. Importantly, this was not vetoed - both the US and UK chose to abstain rather than vetoing, allowing the resolution to pass 12-0. That shows that the US government's unconditional support for Israel is cooling quickly; it's rare for them to not veto something like this.
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The resolution is pathetic enough that Israel doesn't even feel the need to defend against it, given that they've already denounced it
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The U.S. vetoing a pause would look extremely bad for Biden.ungulateman posted:The resolution is pathetic enough that Israel doesn't even feel the need to defend against it, given that they've already denounced it What happens next when Israel ignores it? I said come in! fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Nov 16, 2023 |
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I said come in! posted:Did not expect them to go ahead and delete their obvious lies lol. What is going on over there behind the scenes? Not to get all conspiracy-y, but the hospital base reveal so far has been too ridiculous to be true. A dozen rifles and about that number of magazines? That barely lasts a day of fighting! No hostages or facilities that might hold them, so that they could at least say "See, look at these cages! they moves the hostages, but this is an evil terror then!". Odds are they just moved the weapons and gear of some slain qassam or the contents of a cache there and rolled some tape. I see two options. Either at this point the IDF, Shin Bet and the rest of the structure has fully drunk the kool-aid and believes their own hype or Terror NERV Headquarters under hospitals, or they know it's pathetic and don't care. They can say whatever and get play; Ben Shapiro was creaminghis slacks over a picture of a service shaft. It's the Noor Shireen playbook.: 1- Hamas totally killed that nosy bitch, um, brave reporter! 2- Well she was in the middle of a firefight and PRESS vests attract bullets, we'll never know what really happened! 3- Okay, it was our bullet, but it was an accident! 4- Guess our guy did shoot her deliberately, but we won't punish him. 5- Why are you still talking about that? Are you an anti-semite? Of course, having new war crimes rolling in every day or so helps keep the tide going.
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I said come in! posted:The U.S. vetoing a pause would look extremely bad for Biden.
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Realistically unless there's rpgs or rockets or real ordnance of some kind I don't see what any of this would prove. Normal rifles and grenades and things are kind of just reasonable things for people in warzones to have, you could tell me that those belonged to the doctors who carry them to protect from looters when they go home and I'd believe it.
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Nov 16, 2023 01:23
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At this point it won't matter what they find, becuse it would be completely unknown whether Israel planted it beforehand. As with other claims of "Hamas-ISIS" the intended audience are not us. It gets printed in the news, accepted as fact by the usual people and then all later discussion and refutation is too late to have any impact.
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I said come in! posted:The U.S. vetoing a pause would look extremely bad for Biden. You'd think so, but the US already vetoed a pause at least once:, back on October 18th: https://twitter.com/UN_News_Centre/status/1714649681521791305 So the US not vetoing this one suggests that they're getting tired of Israel's antics here. Ignoring this particular UNSC resolution doesn't come with any direct, immediate consequences. However, UNSC vetoes are literally free. Any permanent UNSC member can use their veto as much as they want, with no limitations at all. So a UNSC resolution passing like this is a message that out of the US, UK, France, Russia, and China, not even one of those five countries was interested in blocking it. And ticking off those five countries could lead to consequences.
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Thank you for the explanation! I just want this genocide to end and for Palestinians to stop being murdered. Its clear Israel is not going to win this, and that they were the aggressors the entire time. October 7 did not happen in a vacuum. Israel needs to be forced by the world to make peace and answer for their war crimes. Its just frustrating that there is really nothing in place to do this. After this is over I am interested in what we can do as individuals to help the Palestinians, since world governments wont step up.
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NovemberMike posted:Realistically unless there's rpgs or rockets or real ordnance of some kind I don't see what any of this would prove. Normal rifles and grenades and things are kind of just reasonable things for people in warzones to have, you could tell me that those belonged to the doctors who carry them to protect from looters when they go home and I'd believe it. I could imagine findings that would give me pause and consider Israel's version. Say, cages/containment facilities for hostages. Racks upon racks of rockets and the assembly tools to make more. Rails/passages linking to other safehouses. But this weak poo poo? My libertarian ex had more guns before joining the campus libertarians shocked the Mises right out of her, and she downsized to just 3 rifles and 2 pistols.
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Video was reuploaded, but with: - 20 seconds cut out - The "uncut, unedited" claim is gone from the tweet (because people found that it was suspiciously cut at 6 minutes) - The laptop at the end is blurred; it had a picture of the IDF soldier allegedly kidnapped and then freed, ostensibly it would be to protect her privacy, but the picture on the laptop is the one that the IDF themselves sent out to news agencies from what I've gathered. Another interesting discrepancy; the laptop placed next to the CD-R's apparently doesn't have a CD drive (People are guessing at a Lenovo Thinkpad T490). It's possible that there's some PC tower lying around for them, but it's strange that the IDF would line them up alongside the laptop. There's also a Fox News variant where their embed goes along with; similar tour, even including the guns-behind-MRI bit, though this time there's two guns and the bag is inside a cardboard box. Similar room layout (though it's a hospital so that's to be expected), MRI guts lain in the same position, aid bags are still there but kicked around in a different layout. After the deletion, Twitter's having a field day chewing on it. I imagine most of their nitpicks are inaccurate, but those seemed notable to point out. E: https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1724940761102254322 This is a desperate plea for the IDF to find someone in their division that can speak Arabic. Please. Half the people in the country can speak and read it. You are in a hospital full of people who speak Arabic. You are currently strip searching them in the courtyard. I understand that you're unfathomably racist but come on get someone on loan from Mossad This is giving me second-hand embarrassment. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Nov 16, 2023 |
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/1...?smid=url-share These people really think we're rubes man. Shameful poo poo
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I said come in! posted:lol amazing evidence This has big "Podunk police department busting a small time weed dealer" vibes, I'm surprised they didn't lay out each round in the magazines to make it look more "impressive" e: on second look it does look like they did that in one of the pictures so I'm almost winning to bet those mags are empty too rscott fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Nov 16, 2023 |
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Neurolimal posted:This is a desperate plea for the IDF to find someone in their division that can speak Arabic. Please. Half the people in the country can speak and read it. You are in a hospital full of people who speak Arabic. You are currently strip searching them in the courtyard. I understand that you're unfathomably racist but come on get someone on loan from Mossad This is giving me second-hand embarrassment. Lol they totally did the CIA thing where everyone who speaks another language has been driven out because of racism
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rscott posted:This has big "Podunk police department busting a small time weed dealer" vibes, I'm surprised they didn't lay out each round in the magazines to make it look more "impressive" I think you can see bullets in some of the mags at least. 1ish mag per gun though makes it look like stuff you'd expect people running security to have. It's not really set up for a firefight of any kind.
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One very key stakeholder believes the Israeli narrative on Al-Shifa https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1724965441486152113?s=20
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It's probably useless to note that the Geneva Conventions explicitly state that the presence of small arms, and people wielding them, is not sufficient to cause a medical facility to lose its protections. Nor do weapons yet to be turned in belonging to injured combatants do so. It is taken as accepted that in a warzone some degree of these things is entirely reasonable, and the type and quantity of what has been shown to us - even if the IDF didn't plant a single round of ammo - is laughably short of justifying this action.
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Professor Beetus posted:Thank you, I always wondered what my "Joker Moment" was going to be. Recently an Israeli court gave custody of a dead IDF soldier's future children to his parents when his wife refused to be artificially inseminated with her dead husband's posthumously extracted cum. Talk about necro-politics.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Recently an Israeli court gave custody of a dead IDF soldier's future children to his parents when his wife refused to be artificially inseminated with her dead husband's posthumously extracted cum. Talk about necro-politics. Can you link a news article about it? It's not easy to Google, apparently.
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Paladinus posted:Can you link a news article about it? It's not easy to Google, apparently. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160518-the-moral-maze-of-using-a-dead-mans-sperm 
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Best Friends posted:One very key stakeholder believes the Israeli narrative on Al-Shifa The same guy who saw pictures of the 40 beheaded babies.
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Best Friends posted:One very key stakeholder believes the Israeli narrative on Al-Shifa You can really see the decades of political experience in how he fucks up denying Israel is doing warcrimes.
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hadji murad posted:The same guy who saw pictures of the 40 beheaded babies. he actually repeated that claim during this as well. it would be so awesome to have a president who wasnt a senile racist but thats not an option anymore i guess
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Recently an Israeli court gave custody of a dead IDF soldier's future children to his parents when his wife refused to be artificially inseminated with her dead husband's posthumously extracted cum. Talk about necro-politics. So when a female IDF member dies do they go in and harvest her eggs or do only men get to have their gametes recovered
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BUUNNI posted:So when a female IDF member dies do they go in and harvest her eggs or do only men get to have their gametes recovered There are very very few women in combat roles. Dunno if that's better or worse.
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If you grant the IDF is telling the absolute truth about that room being a command post, they are essentially admitting one or two guys working from a cupboard are capable of a level of military co-ordination sufficient to severely degrade the IDF's capabilities in their likely local operational area. There is no super-command center because lol, lmao, you don't really need that unless you're doing complex imperialism, instead there are only an uncountable number of widely distributed people behind the doors of any spare room. Military knowers: I ask, are you able to defeat that kind of effective organization without leveling anything and everything, reprisals and terror?
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Paladinus posted:I expect more videos from the super secret Hamas bunker soon. As everyone knows, the bunker exists, so it'd be foolish of them not to film something there. The "guns behind an MRI" video isn't very surprising TBH. The magnetic field from an MRI scanner is typically "always on", but it actually requires some amount of power to a cryostat in order to maintain the magnetic field. After losing all power, the helium will slowly boil off until the magnet quenches (several hours to days, depending on the scanner), and the magnetic field is gone. Maintaining a working MRI scanner in a setting like Gaza is immensely challenging, they require frequent service from specialized technicians, and there's practically no support offered outside of Europe/North America (I can't tell from the clip who manufactured that scanner though). In any case it's obvious that the magnet in the clip had quenched, possibly long before the clip was recorded. Anyways there's plenty of reason to dismiss this video, but the MRI scanner isn't it.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:The "guns behind an MRI" video isn't very surprising TBH. The magnetic field from an MRI scanner is typically "always on", but it actually requires some amount of power to a cryostat in order to maintain the magnetic field. After losing all power, the helium will slowly boil off until the magnet quenches (several hours to days, depending on the scanner), and the magnetic field is gone. https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1724955393325937087 they are definitely putting poo poo behind that MRI scanner though
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TGLT posted:https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1724955393325937087
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I know that we did the same thing in Afghanistan but they really claimed that there was vast, ant hill-esque bunkers under the hospital that magically put there by what must be the greatest engineering corps on the planet, and now that it turns out there was six guns in a closet we're just supposed to forget it.
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CSM posted:The bag had two guns doesn't seem such a crazy explanation. They're definitely "presenting" stuff, that's clear. Might've behooved them to say that the bag had multiple guns in it instead of just one the first time, then. At any rate, it - like everything else the Israel is presenting to justify what it's done - is fairly suspect.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I know that we did the same thing in Afghanistan but they really claimed that there was vast, ant hill-esque bunkers under the hospital that magically put there by what must be the greatest engineering corps on the planet, and now that it turns out there was six guns in a closet we're just supposed to forget it. No-no, they say they've already located the command centre. They just need to free up space on the camera before they can film it. Stay tuned.
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The IDF totally has footage of the command center, they just need to find the right USB cable for their camera to upload it.
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