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mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

And yet the Soviets still did more to defeat Japan in a fortnight than the US did in 4 years.

the US did vaporize hundreds of thousands of people to intimidate Stalin even when Japan was signaling coming around to surrender

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FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

And yet the Soviets still did more to defeat Japan in a fortnight than the US did in 4 years.

I'm gonna need to see the math on that one.

edit:

mags posted:

the US did vaporize hundreds of thousands of people to intimidate Stalin even when Japan was signaling coming around to surrender

Truman unquestionably sucks.

FuzzySlippers has issued a correction as of 13:52 on Nov 16, 2023

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:49

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

FuzzySlippers posted:

I'm gonna need to see the math on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:52

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

FuzzySlippers posted:

I'm gonna need to see the math on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria?useskin=vector

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:52

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

Truga posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria?useskin=vector

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:53

Marenghi: Oct 16, 2008; Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

FuzzySlippers posted:

The Soviets would've defeated the Nazis eventually, but America defeating Japan was a good thing so there's your 1%. People vastly underestimate the level of psychotic murder and mayhem caused by the Japanese. They likely killed quite a bit more than the German Nazis (possibly as much as double) and were arguably more brutal. History tends to have fairly mild names for things so when conquering a city is almost universally referred to as a 'raping' you get the idea.

We should have more poo poo honoring Nimitz as he's one of our few non-baby killing war leaders.

Weren't the Japanese on the ropes already. America dropping nukes on them was to get a solo surrender before the Soviet army could reach them and end up dividing it like Germany.

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:54

Godlessdonut: Sep 13, 2005

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

And yet the Soviets still did more to defeat Japan in a fortnight than the US did in 4 years.

You can and should say that the Soviet entry did more to convince them to surrender than the atomic bombs, but to act like the previous 4 years of war had little to no effect is a bit silly.

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mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

it�s actually never appropriate to hand it to America

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:57

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

soviets rolling manchukuo in like 10 days was very likely a bigger reason for surrender than the nukes, and also in highsight a smart move for the fascists, seeing how they got reinstated by cia like a decade later. soviets would have hosed them up

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:58

FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

Still not seeing how charging across half empty frontiers is the greater part of the fighting. The might of the Japanese was in the IJN and the US was definitely the one who defeated it.

Mind you, I don't want to hand it to the US but that's how that one shakes out. The amount of credit given to the US in Europe is way too much (even lend-lease is overblown), but America did the hard part of defeating Japan. It's literally the only significant accomplishment in American military history unless you count successfully defeating themselves or kicking around the ailing Spanish empire.

# ? Nov 16, 2023 13:58

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Marenghi posted:

Weren't the Japanese on the ropes already. America dropping nukes on them was to get a solo surrender before the Soviet army could reach them and end up dividing it like Germany.

The Japanese still held huge swaths of land in mainland China. The compelling argument that the Soviet entry into the war (and the liberation of the mainland via Operation August Storm) was a far bigger factor in convincing Japan to surrender than the atomic bombs were is founded on the idea that A. the Japanese lost someone that they thought could be a mediator in a conditional surrender, and B. they lost colonial territory that they would have wanted to bargain for during such a conditional surrender

without Stalin, Korea and Manchuria would probably still have been under Japanese control in 1946 and for years after because the Western Allies wouldn't have the appetite to liberate (or perhaps even the means) to liberate those regions, even if the nukes would get the Japanese to the negotiating table

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:00

hadji murad: Apr 18, 2006

FuzzySlippers posted:

The Soviets would've defeated the Nazis eventually, but America defeating Japan was a good thing so there's your 1%. People vastly underestimate the level of psychotic murder and mayhem caused by the Japanese. They likely killed quite a bit more than the German Nazis (possibly as much as double) and were arguably more brutal. History tends to have fairly mild names for things so when conquering a city is almost universally referred to as a 'raping' you get the idea.

We should have more poo poo honoring Nimitz as he's one of our few non-baby killing war leaders.

gently caress this. America didn�t give a poo poo about the Chinese or any other Asian and they used their love of violence on the women, elderly and children across Japan

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:01

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

FuzzySlippers posted:

Still not seeing how charging across half empty frontiers is the greater part of the fighting. The might of the Japanese was in the IJN and the US was definitely the one who defeated it.

Mind you, I don't want to hand it to the US but that's how that one shakes out. The amount of credit given to the US in Europe is way too much (even lend-lease is overblown), but America did the hard part of defeating Japan. It's literally the only significant accomplishment in American military history unless you count successfully defeating themselves or kicking around the ailing Spanish empire.

nuking civvies for Jesus, thank you america for the One Good Thing, melting schoolchildren into asphalt when Japan was already going to surrender

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:01

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

hadji murad posted:

gently caress this. America didn�t give a poo poo about the Chinese or any other Asian and they used their love of violence on the women, elderly and children across Japan

America sucks and always has, just like its fascist proxy occupiers, Israel

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:03

hadji murad: Apr 18, 2006

mags posted:

nuking civvies for Jesus, thank you america for the One Good Thing, melting schoolchildren into asphalt when Japan was already going to surrender

exactly. they were going to surrender because hundreds of thousands of non soldiers were burnt to a crisp by American bombs.

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:04

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

mags posted:

nuking civvies for Jesus, thank you america for the One Good Thing, melting schoolchildren into asphalt when Japan was already going to surrender

He's saying that the part where the US fought the navy was good

I hate America as much as the next guy but "US was useful for tying up Japan's navy" isn't exactly dressing in stars & stripes and belting out star spangled banner

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:04

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

This is artisinal aged burger posting

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:05

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

australians being normal

https://twitter.com/seamus_malek/status/1725111753770500214?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

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fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Communist Thoughts posted:

This is artisinal aged burger posting

for real lol

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:05

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Communist Thoughts posted:

This is artisinal aged burger posting

the IK started it so they have no one to probe but themselves

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:07

Red Baron: Mar 9, 2007; no lube anal fan

Communist Thoughts posted:

This is artisinal aged burger posting

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:07

FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

hadji murad posted:

gently caress this. America didn�t give a poo poo about the Chinese or any other Asian and they used their love of violence on the women, elderly and children across Japan

They definitely didn't which is why they never made the Japanese pay for their crimes. They had killed people America didn't even really consider actual people. The Japanese should've gotten their own Nuremberg. Instead once the war was over it was time to prep for war against the commies.

However, everyone across Asia was real loving happy the Japanese got driven out of their lands however it happened and whatever their motivations. The Japanese had done awful terrible things that needed to be stopped. Mao could go back to kicking the poo poo out of the corrupt warlords and saintly Uncle Ho could fight the French.

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Japanese still held huge swaths of land in mainland China. The compelling argument that the Soviet entry into the war (and the liberation of the mainland via Operation August Storm) was a far bigger factor in convincing Japan to surrender than the atomic bombs were is founded on the idea that A. the Japanese lost someone that they thought could be a mediator in a conditional surrender, and B. they lost colonial territory that they would have wanted to bargain for during such a conditional surrender

without Stalin, Korea and Manchuria would probably still have been under Japanese control in 1946 and for years after because the Western Allies wouldn't have the appetite to liberate (or perhaps even the means) to liberate those regions, even if the nukes would get the Japanese to the negotiating table

Yeah the Soviets changed the political dimension majorly and the world is poorer for them not getting further than they did before the US pointlessly dropped the bomb. The US had already won the military side of the war though.

edit:
I'm getting the impression some people think Pearl Harbor happened and then a couple weeks later the US dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. There was kind of a lot of poo poo in the middle.

FuzzySlippers has issued a correction as of 14:11 on Nov 16, 2023

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:07

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Neurolimal posted:

in the original Weibo version bottom right was "India"

Important to note that this the only good political compass

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:08

Death By The Blues: Oct 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1725134883452829897

Also, one of the zionist soldiers have died from that checkpoint attack.

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:09

Judgy Fucker: Mar 24, 2006

gradenko_2000 posted:

the IK started it so they have no one to probe but themselves

That�s called a honeypot friend

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:09

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

lots of over cooked burgers needlessly nuked itt

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:10

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

FuzzySlippers posted:

Still not seeing how charging across half empty frontiers is the greater part of the fighting. The might of the Japanese was in the IJN and the US was definitely the one who defeated it.

Mind you, I don't want to hand it to the US but that's how that one shakes out. The amount of credit given to the US in Europe is way too much (even lend-lease is overblown), but America did the hard part of defeating Japan. It's literally the only significant accomplishment in American military history unless you count successfully defeating themselves or kicking around the ailing Spanish empire.

The Soviets captured 640,000 Japanese and Manchurian troops in 10 days. About 10% of the entire IJA. Maybe it was slightly hyperbolic to say more than the US in 4 years, but it's not that untrue.

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HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

back to i/p

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:12

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

interesting that the israelis are apparently taking dead bodies

quote:

6m ago (13:05 GMT)

More from al-Shifa Hospital director

Here are some additional comments from Al Jazeera�s interview with Muhammad Abu Salmiya:

The Israeli army�s claims are false, there was no gunfire from inside the hospital toward the Israeli soldiers.
We will not leave the patients alone, we will live and die together.
Water shortage is making it hard for us to survive, but will try our best to survive.
The Israeli army bombed the water line.
There are some Israeli vehicles behind the specialised surgeries building and the general surgeries building.
The army is digging the ground to allow military tanks to besiege the hospital.

22m ago (12:50 GMT)
Al-Shifa director describes ongoing raid by Israeli forces
Al Jazeera has managed to speak to Muhammad Abu Salmiya inside the hospital. He described a �catastrophic� situation as the Israeli army raid continues.

Here are a few of his comments:

The Israeli army took away all the dead bodies and searched all the buildings.
There were Israeli soldiers in the ER, and they took all the dead bodies that were lying in front of the ER. We have no idea where they took them.
The Israeli forces are centred in the radiology, birth department, burns department, and at the main entrance of the ER.
Drones are constantly flying over the hospital, they target the bridge linking the specialised surgeries building to the general surgeries building.
We have 650 patients in the hospital, 45 of them are kidney dialysis patients, and 36 are premature babies.
One kidney dialysis patient died and four are in serious condition.
The patients are crying for water and food.
We have more than 500 medical staff and more than 5,000 refugees inside the hospital.

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:13

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

Ramie posted:

Another observation:

What's particularly puzzling about the very online liberal Israeli I'm seeing lately is that they just want the whole thing to be... handled internally? And bloodlessly/perfectly too

Meaning an immediate cease to the protests, no blockading of the weapons being shipped to Israel, but also with sudden and proper elections that usher in a new (peaceful!) Palestinian governing body, and a complete cleaning of the house of Israel, in favor of less nakedly cruel one. A viewpoint that simultanously calls out insurrection as childish, unrealistic, and wholly unnecessary.

While ignoring just how unlikely it is is that their perfect bureocratic dream will be happening within, say, the next century. In the meantime, for the Palestinians: wait 50 years and hope the fire that is burning you gets a little less hot every year.

edit: oh yeah and they all talk like this when they aren't trying to sound high and mighty

liberals are the fascists that don't want to see the blood

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:17

Death By The Blues: Oct 30, 2011

fits my needs posted:

interesting that the israelis are apparently taking dead bodies

Probably trying to obfuscate the death toll get the bodies out of the street, cremate/bury them, and then also knock out the health ministry which updates the death toll daily. Gaza will mysteriously become a ghost town(s).

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:21

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

hezbollah def seems to be escalating daily

# ? Nov 16, 2023 14:25

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