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Big Mean Jerk posted:The two videos they did with Mike and Rich spotlighting their favorite TNG episodes was absolutely mind-blowing. I’m pretty sure Mike legitimately thinks Voyager is peak Trek, based on how bland and vanilla his choices were. Rich’s picks were better but not by much. Just checked and Mike’s picks were BoBW, Drumhead, Tapestry, Disaster, and The Nth Degree. And the only one I can really disagree with there is Nth Degree. You might be thinking of the episode where they list their lesser favorite episodes.
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It'd be legitimately tough to find a more soup brained opinion than "Parallels is the worst episode in all of Star Trek"
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Nov 18, 2023 08:10
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Seemlar posted:It'd be legitimately tough to find a more soup brained opinion than "Parallels is the worst episode in all of Star Trek" Did they just not switch over to unleaded gasoline in Wisconsin or something? Because that would explain a LOT of poo poo beyond RLM, honestly 
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Nov 18, 2023 08:31
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MikeJF posted:Yeah but we were saying that that's mega American, I assume you're American (or America's Hat maybe). As an Aussie I'm pretty sure I've literally never seen root beer in my life. Yea the only places you get it here in the UK are ones that are specifically themed to be American. Nando's isn't giving me a root beer. But it IS giving me Cola, and so would a restaurant in Germany or France or Poland. Honestly when it comes to it Star Trek is good at not being American in the way a lot of US shows normally aren't. For example, it uses the metric system which is way more relatable and real to me than when Stargate's talking about stuff being in feet or whatever. The root beer stuff is kinda the only example I can think of where it's being exclusively an american thing
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Nov 18, 2023 08:55
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I've spent a lot of time in Wisconsin and while I hold the Wisconsin people dear, most people have drinking problems at 14 and it's just part of the culture. Rich Evans is an outlier because he doesn't drink, but being the one guy who doesn't drink also comes with psychic damage.
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Nov 18, 2023 11:03
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Atlas Hugged posted:Very 90s writing. I doubt anyone in the Federation gives a poo poo about such a nebulous concept as virginity when holodecks exist. It doesn't count when you can delete your partner when you're done. MikeJF posted:Yeah but we were saying that that's mega American, I assume you're American (or America's Hat maybe). As an Aussie I'm pretty sure I've literally never seen root beer in my life. Don't you got this poo poo though?  It's actually one of the nastier, more licorice kinds.
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Nov 18, 2023 17:51
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Atlas Hugged posted:Very 90s writing. I doubt anyone in the Federation gives a poo poo about such a nebulous concept as virginity when holodecks exist. I think people would still make a big deal about it because it is a memorable event in your life. The holodeck is just porn and who clearly remembers the first time they saw porn or rubbed one out?
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Nov 18, 2023 17:53
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I mean, the post where Microwave posted his mom has a timestamp, so at least a few people remember
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Nov 18, 2023 17:55
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SlothfulCobra posted:It doesn't count when you can delete your partner when you're done. You can buy root beer in the UK and Aus and stuff, it's just really uncommon. It's basically an american cultural food. I dunno to me it's a bit like if they said this thing was specifically Federation and it was the German flag. You get the idea of the scene and what they're trying to say but also you're like "wait, root beer?" Just a really peculiar choice, one that's very specifically american.
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Nov 18, 2023 17:58
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SlothfulCobra posted:Don't you got this poo poo though? I guess that was probably there buried somewhere past the ginger beer.
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Nov 18, 2023 18:05
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Sash! posted:I think people would still make a big deal about it because it is a memorable event in your life. The holodeck is just porn and who clearly remembers the first time they saw porn or rubbed one out? Yeah, it's about convincing an actual real person to do sex with you, not about the physical sensation of intercourse. Also this thread is teaching me that root beer is not just weak American ginger ale. Weird and American. But so is a lot of Star Trek, just think of Vic, Sisko's whole racism deal, Paris' obsession with ancient stuff and Riker's jazz and poker
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Nov 18, 2023 18:19
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Seemlar posted:It'd be legitimately tough to find a more soup brained opinion than "Parallels is the worst episode in all of Star Trek" That's gotta be some weird philosophical thing, right? Like Kurtzman allegedly being hard against alternate timelines?
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Nov 18, 2023 18:26
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SlothfulCobra posted:It doesn't count when you can delete your partner when you're done. They used to have this at the big Sainsbury's near me but they stopped selling it after a few months because no one was buying it. It's the only time I've even seen root beer. I think that there's a lot of minor "the earth is just America" in star trek sometimes but the show is made in the US so who cares.
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Nov 18, 2023 18:44
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Taear posted:Yea the only places you get it here in the UK are ones that are specifically themed to be American. Nando's isn't giving me a root beer. But it IS giving me Cola, and so would a restaurant in Germany or France or Poland. the uk, germany, france, and poland combined have both less land area and population than the united states, you parochial goober
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Nov 18, 2023 18:53
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Lotta foreigners itt not getting that root beer is supposed to extend the American feel of the Federation metaphor, not ruin your immersion. No poo poo it seems American, it's supposed to.
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Nov 18, 2023 18:59
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SlothfulCobra posted:It doesn't count when you can delete your partner when you're done. This is legit one of the worst sodas I've ever tasted, and I've drank ranch flavored soda on a dare.
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More broadly, the Earth in the Federation may be primarily American, but the entire Federation, especially around DS9, is filling the whole American place in geopolitics (as perceived by Americans anyways) on the interstellar level. The biggest nation with military bases everywhere to secure some kind of broader peace or at least contain conflicts. This does come at the expense of the terrestrial internationalism that the original series tried to express with its bridge crew being from a diverse bunch of different areas across the Earth. That had already taken some damage with TNG's crew being less diverse, but Sisko is probably the most American captain of Star Trek with a lot of very strong opinions on American history in addition to American predilections like playing baseball. DS9 otherwise being a center of space-diversity with a bunch of fictional space-nationalities kinda makes up for that, but I guess Jadzia doesn't really do very much to differentiate Trill culture from the rest of the Federation. MikeJF posted:I guess that was probably there buried somewhere past the ginger beer. Ginger is the tastiest root I guess.
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Nov 18, 2023 19:55
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Seemlar posted:It'd be legitimately tough to find a more soup brained opinion than "Parallels is the worst episode in all of Star Trek"
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Nov 18, 2023 20:05
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:Do you know when they said that? I'd be really curious to hear their thoughts on the episode. I think its one of the plinket movie reviews? Something about it making everything meaningless because there's more than one universe or something.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Leola is the tastiest root I guess. 
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Squizzle posted:the uk, germany, france, and poland combined have both less land area and population than the united states, you parochial goober And, who cares? Star Trek is normally pretty good for not just being american and it's nice that it's like that. Soul Dentist posted:Lotta foreigners itt not getting that root beer is supposed to extend the American feel of the Federation metaphor, not ruin your immersion. No poo poo it seems American, it's supposed to. Man I just TOTALLY don't agree. The Federation in Star Trek does a good job of just feeling like "The West". You can directly compare it to things like Stargate where it's just super obviously 'America'. BonHair posted:But so is a lot of Star Trek, just think of Vic, Sisko's whole racism deal, Paris' obsession with ancient stuff and Riker's jazz and poker It doesn't quite feel the same though. These things are things that the CHARACTER values. Riker's from the US, Bashir fuckin' loves that 1960s feel, that sorta thing. The root beer one is very specifically saying "humans love root beer" which is pretty different. Like sure who cares about baseball other than north america and Japan, but it's fine that Sisko does. It's not saying "The entire federation likes this", it's just him. It doesn't matter and I get what the feel of the scene is it's just strange that they settled on root beer that's all.
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Taear posted:The root beer one is very specifically saying "humans love root beer" which is pretty different. tastes change, maybe like how water polo and Parisses Squares apparently displaced baseball as a major sport amongst everyone besides Sisko and a handful of weird colonists, there was a root beer renaissance in the late 2100s
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Nobody's saying you can't fanwank it. It just tastes a bit weird to watch.
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MikeJF posted:Nobody's saying you can't fanwank it. It just tastes a bit weird to watch. You say that like there aren't a bunch of people out there who'd love to watch someone else wank
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And you say that like it wouldn't taste weird
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Taear posted:
And significant chunks of East Asia (other than Japan) and much of central America. But yes, in the context of the story of " Take me out to the holosuite" it's important that baseball is a Sisko only thing, which makes it that much more petty when the Vulcan captain shows up to issue the challenge.
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The Chairman posted:tastes change, maybe like how water polo and Parisses Squares apparently displaced baseball as a major sport amongst everyone besides Sisko and a handful of weird colonists, there was a root beer renaissance in the late 2100s Well, yeah, obviously water polo would take over, once there are holodecks you don't need to worry anymore about the animal cruelty that comes with putting the horses in the pool
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That's gotta be some weird philosophical thing, right? Like Kurtzman allegedly being hard against alternate timelines? END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:Do you know when they said that? I'd be really curious to hear their thoughts on the episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAlnLnxeIOI#t=29m00s 29 minute mark if it doesn't jump straight there
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BonHair posted:Yeah, it's about convincing an actual real person to do sex with you, not about the physical sensation of intercourse. I think this is becoming less of a thing even in our lifetime. Tinder and apps designed around getting us off have completely changed the dynamic and how younger generations conceptualize intimacy. Where do you draw the line with virginity between active webcam participation, mutually watching porn, 1st-3rd base, etc? Like the President of the United States built an entire legal defense around interpreting a loving conjugation. It's not going to get any less confusing when you ad AI and sex dolls made of solid light to the mix. Like a big part of virginity is the lack of experience, but that's not actually going to be a thing in the 24th century.
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I always assumed the root beer thing was meant to be as much a gag about Quark not really knowing much about humans, and assuming the handful of people he'd met were representative of the entire species - in the same way that Star Trek generally portrays alien cultures as one-dimensional based on a few individuals.
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Until the Feds take back Terok Nor from the Cardies and cases and cases of root beer show up to stock the bar
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We're going to be able to confirm that theory about someone on the Lower Decks writing team lurking this thread after next season has an episode about Mariner and Boimler fighting over root beer being a necessity on a starship.
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Lower Decks kinda had a similar very minor but noticeable US-centric point of view moment for me when apparently the word Parliament is a specifically Canadian association? Presumably because that's the one that Yanks hear the most about? 
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Haha no. Yanks hear about British parliament way more. And Parliament Funkadelic way more than that
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yeah what the gently caress class name are you going to use for a Canadian-cities theme? British Columbia? Alberta?! pfffftSeemlar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAlnLnxeIOI#t=29m00s lol i was right it's him having some brainworm about "nuhhhhhhhhh nothing matters if there's parallel timelines" 
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When I was catching TNG episodes on TV after school I must have missed a big chunk since I saw Parallels and All Good Things one after the other, and thought it was a odd choice to end the show with two back to back episodes where one of the cast kept swapping between alternate versions of the ship.
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Soul Dentist posted:Haha no. Yanks hear about British parliament way more. And Parliament Funkadelic way more than that Sometimes I forget they have a parliament, because the hockey team from their capital city is inexplicably called the Senators.
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Sash! posted:Sometimes I forget they have a parliament, because the hockey team from their capital city is inexplicably called the Senators. We have a senate to! I don't know what it does but its there!
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Boxturret posted:We have a senate to! I don't know what it does but its there! Us too! We call it the Washminster system! The senate represents states and blocks stuff a bunch which is very annoying except when the people I don't like are in government, then it's good that they block stuff and working as intended! We also named our lower house the House of Representatives like the US because we wanted to be like the cool kids even though we still had a parliament. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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Taear posted:And, who cares? Star Trek is normally pretty good for not just being american and it's nice that it's like that. Post the sweet non-alcoholic beverage that represents all Earth cultures equally and would be understood as such to the average viewer of a 1990s syndicated scifi drama in a first-run North American English-speaking market.
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