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I remember watching the original Fog not many years ago and being surprised by how good it is, even if it's nowhere near Halloween. The 2005 remake on the other hand is absolutely god awful.
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Laughing Zealot posted:I remember watching the original Fog not many years ago and being surprised by how good it is, even if it's nowhere near Halloween. The early 2000s- when the world had Tom Welling fever!
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Nov 25, 2023 16:41
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Laughing Zealot posted:I remember watching the original Fog not many years ago and being surprised by how good it is, even if it's nowhere near Halloween. Yeah. In a point in its favor the female lead is much more connected than just a hitchhiking Jamie Lee Curtis Tom Atkins picks up but that's like its only one. We even go from a Carpenter soundtrack to Fall Out Boy.
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Nov 25, 2023 17:12
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Jedit posted:No, it just says "6 MUST DIE" on the plank. It doesn't specify who the six are. We don't actually know if any of the victims are descendants of the original conspirators apart from Father Malone, who admits guilt. Going from what I remember in the novelization, they're all descendants of the founders.
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Nov 25, 2023 17:27
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Elm Street remake making a horror icon an absolute, unquestionable NONCE.
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Nov 25, 2023 19:17
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He was always a child predator that's like the entire crux of his character man I'm not saying this to absolve the remake or anything because I'm not interested in watching it in the first place but it was blatant text in the first three movies at the very least
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Nov 25, 2023 19:50
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Freddy, the apparition, is a child predator. The thing is that like Candyman he's not really the ghost of the person who died. If the human Freddy deserved exactly what was coming to him, then the apparition might as well just be a natural disaster instead of a slasher villain.
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Nov 25, 2023 19:58
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Elm Street should have stuck with the formula from 2, where it's somewhat implied that the abstract Freddy concept is spread as a meme (i.e. from reading Nancy's diary) and then manifests in ways particular to each individual based on their issues. So really there are Freddies, who are not constrained to set rules.
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Nov 25, 2023 20:23
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Freddy Krueger is Freddy Kreuger. The evil man and child predator who just became a more dangerous supernatural monster after his death. But he’s still Freddy Kreuger because that’s who the monster is. The Candyman is a spirit. A tulpa. Evil brought to live by belief and oppression and neglect and fear. Daniel Robitaillle is a victim of evil cursed to the Candyman. As is Helen. As is the new guy in the new film. Because the Candyman isn’t a man turned monster. He’s an idea.
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Nov 25, 2023 20:27
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Erin M. Fiasco posted:He was always a child predator that's like the entire crux of his character man He was also a child killer. The new one he’s just a pedo. Idk it’s icky and not fun and the film had the nerve to try and make him “fun” at the end with recycled quips
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Nov 25, 2023 20:39
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They tried real hard with the Jackie Earle Haley take on Freddy, but nobody is ever going to successfully be able to recapture the lightning in a bottle that Wes Craven and Robert Englund had.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Freddy, the apparition, is a child predator. The thing is that like Candyman he's not really the ghost of the person who died. If the human Freddy deserved exactly what was coming to him, then the apparition might as well just be a natural disaster instead of a slasher villain. Agreed. The character of Freddie Kreuger is all about revenge, terrorizing, etc. Those aren't really human traits that match up with what he was before he died. STAC Goat posted:The Candyman is a spirit. A tulpa. Evil brought to live by belief and oppression and neglect and fear. Daniel Robitaillle is a victim of evil cursed to the Candyman. As is Helen. As is the new guy in the new film. Because the Candyman isn’t a man turned monster. He’s an idea. Agree with this too. He's a manifestation of the energy of the environment. He's like a nature spirit or something that pops up in fantasy when you chop down a bunch of trees except it's from the tragedy of the crack epidemic. I really didn't like the newest one because it didn't seem to have that aura. I think Nia DaCosta was born too late to really fully understand the misery.
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Nov 25, 2023 20:43
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gently caress it, I'm making an Exorcist 3 fan edit.
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Do an exorcist believer edit where it doesn’t suck complete rear end
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CelticPredator posted:Do an exorcist believer edit where it doesn’t suck complete rear end 2 hours of a blank screen
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Lol It was so weirdly dull. DGG should’ve made it funny. Instead he made it so deadly serious that it was uninteresting
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I’m morbidly curious about Believer but I haven’t heard a single person say a single positive thing about it. Not even like “well at least it was fun”
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veni veni veni posted:I’m morbidly curious about Believer but I haven’t heard a single person say a single positive thing about it. Not even like “well at least it was fun” I thought it was a solid 6/10 of a movie. I've never watched the original all the way through, it's too old, too boring, and too religious. So I had 0 expectations to betray. I agree, the new Exorcist crams a bit too much into its run time. Having the mom back from the first one for no reason is a weak spot. Having the girl from the first one back for three seconds at the end was BULLSHIT. But overall, I thought it was a decent movie. The kids did a good job. The exorcism was pretty cool. The scenes from the trailer played way better in context. It has interesting ideas. I am not interested at all in anything Catholic, so I liked that it added more religions into the mix. I feel like people just got mad because they wanted something you can never have. You'll never get the impact of the first Exorcist with an Exorcist sequel. You'll never get the impact of Halloween with a Halloween sequel.
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Nov 25, 2023 23:29
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i just think DGG forgot how to make horror fun. H18 was fun and good. HK was fun but not good. Ends just stopped being a fun romp and got too serious. I felt the same with Believer. Just joyless and dull.
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Nov 25, 2023 23:33
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H18 was good cause there were no pretentions about continuing the story. Any time DGG has to world build and expand its loving dreadful. And this is coming from someone who liked Coreyween.
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I'll probably watch Beliver for next year's challenge because I'm sure as hell not paying money for it
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Yeah, I get the morbid curiousity of wanting to see it, although honestly, even curiousity is too much, it's just a really loving boring movie. Definitely do not pay actual money for it (like I, the sucker, did.)
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Tomie Unlimited A massive improvement over Tomie vs. Tomie and easily the best in the series. Tomie is dead at 4 minutes, back at 10 and poo poo starts to get weird at 15. And does it ever get weird. Full on Evil Dead style horror fun. This time around Tomie is the elder daughter in a family and the dynamic works really well. Once she's back, her influence poisons them immediately and there's some really awful familial abuse. Once she's dead again things start to go insane and it doesn't let up until the end. That doesn't mean there's a shortage of boys obsessed with Tomie. There's plenty and they're fairly good this time. Here is a list of things in this movie: Tomie's head lunchbox Tomie gets a giant metal spike through her shoulder Tomie's head centipedes (a lot of them) Tomie's giant head taking up a whole room Tomie's head grows a hair body with smaller Tomie head ornaments Tomie tentacle porn Headless Tomie runs around like a Deadite Tomie has a face growing on her shoulder and it wants to kiss you This is the one to watch. Great from start to finish and a perfect end to the series. My final ranking of the Tomie movies: Tomie Unlimited - Must watch Tomie Re-Birth - Worth watching Tomie - Worth watching Tomie Another Face - For Tomie enthusiasts Tomie Forbidden Fruit - For Tomie enthusiasts Tomie Replay - For Tomie enthusiasts Tomie Revenge - Don't watch Tomie Beginning - Don't watch Tomie vs. Tomie - AVOID Thanks again to Darthemed for showing me where to watch these movies. I did have a good time. Tomie Unlimited was fully worth it.
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Gonz posted:They tried real hard with the Jackie Earle Haley take on Freddy, I mean…did they though?
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Opopanax posted:I'll probably watch Beliver for next year's challenge because I'm sure as hell not paying money for it Someone had it on the plex I used.
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fart blood posted:I mean…did they though?
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They seem to have cut all the unique dream scenes out of the film
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Disposable Scud posted:Elm Street remake making a horror icon an absolute, unquestionable NONCE. The term NONCE isn’t exclusive to pedophiles it’s a catch all term for any sex offender (Not Of Normal Criminal Etiquette) I don’t think the original Freddy’s crimes were every sexually charged he does occasionally get a bit creepy though (looking at you tongue phone)
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Gaz2k21 posted:The term NONCE isn’t exclusive to pedophiles it’s a catch all term for any sex offender (Not Of Normal Criminal Etiquette) I don’t think the original Freddy’s crimes were every sexually charged he does occasionally get a bit creepy though (looking at you tongue phone) In the original, it was primarily pushed as Freddy was a kid killer, with the implication he might also be a kid toucher which was presented more as an extra thing to get parents more inclined to go vigilante on him.
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Gaz2k21 posted:The term NONCE isn’t exclusive to pedophiles it’s a catch all term for any sex offender (Not Of Normal Criminal Etiquette)
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Jordan Peels NONCE
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Cravens original intent was for Freddy to be a sexual predator but he choose to only hint at it in the movie. But the movies hint very heavily at it. Freddy is super creepy. I thought it was very strange so many were shocked by the remake saying the quiet part out loud. Don’t get me wrong the remake sucks for a lot of reasons. But thats just taken from the original and made explicit.
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Martman posted:This sounds extremely made up and pretty much every time a word has some legend about an acronym explaining its origin it's wrong People have also said it's a UK prison system acronym for "Not On Normal Communal Exercise" - an inmate who isn't allowed to socialise in General Population. But it's assuredly a backronym; the Oxford English Dictionary has it as a possible alternate spelling of "nance", a derogatory term for an effeminate man or homosexual (sorry Jack), or "nonse", a Lincolnshire term for a worthless person.
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STAC Goat posted:Cravens original intent was for Freddy to be a sexual predator but he choose to only hint at it in the movie. But the movies hint very heavily at it. Freddy is super creepy. I thought it was very strange so many were shocked by the remake saying the quiet part out loud. It sucks because it can’t commit to anything. You want to make Freddy a pedo and make it super dark and icky? I guess do that. You want to shift the idea that he was innocent and the kids framed him? Then do that. You want him to be a quippy man? Do that. But not all of it together. It just creates a deeply unpleasant soup.
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Also if I wanted to see Freddy pedo the movie I’d just watch little children again and feel skeeved out
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Wtf when has Freddy ever been framed?
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I kinda think "the parents were wrong and let mob mentality kill an innocent (but weird) guy" is kind of an interesting angle. If nothing else it's a better spin than "also Freddy molested the kids."
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The remake has some weird dance where they say Freddy was a pedophile who is hunting more kids but actually he was falsely accused and is hunting the kids who lied and got him killed but actually nah he really was a child predator and he’s hunting the kids who ratted him out. I think. I dunno. I’m not even confident enough in that to spoil it. I’m not rewatching the movie to confirm but it’s a muddled mess. It’s also just a fundamentally misguided misunderstanding of the point of the first film. Freddy is a monster AND he’s seeking revenge on the children of those who murdered him. Because it turns out murdering someone and covering it up has consequences and isn’t cool and violence and secrets just make things worse.
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STAC Goat posted:Freddy Krueger is Freddy Kreuger. Hell of a twist. People in the 80s just weren't ready for it.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I kinda think "the parents were wrong and let mob mentality kill an innocent (but weird) guy" is kind of an interesting angle. If nothing else it's a better spin than "also Freddy molested the kids." They should’ve went with it because it would’ve allowed them to have a fully justified quippy anti hero Freddy without anyone getting mad that we all love a child killer lol Although I do think it’s a funny idea having some 5 year olds decided to frame a grown rear end man. Dennis the menace vs Freddy
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