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Olympic Mathlete posted:Yeah as much as dicks are funny it's genuinely the fruitcakes of society pissing and moaning about not being able to sit in traffic in London. Yes. Although as a rural Oxfordshire resident, when the Heathrow non-ULEZ corridor goes, it's going to make getting to the airport an absolute bag of shite because public transport isn't good enough.
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It’s not like other European countries are doing exactly the same things with their own large cities.
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Whenever I see ULEZ moaning, I just think that if something like a 2006 supercharged V8 Range Rover is exempt, then what the hell is the problem exactly? Especially when you see the likes of Harry Metcalfe (who I like and is usually fairly practical when it comes to green stuff) moan about it, and how they're making London "so hard to drive in"...well yeah, it's Londoners making London better for them what live there, not for rich pricks from the country on an infrequent journey into the big smoke, who can both afford to pay, and have a wide choice of exempt vehicles, either because they're new enough or old enough.
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I've seen more Pagani Huayra (2) in the wild than I've seen new Nissan Z's (1)
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track day bro! posted:As someone who sold a car partially because of the ULEZ sorry but the ulez owns and 99% of the ppl getting mad about it are either weird conspiracy theorists or tory ‘gently caress Greta’ types. London needs all the help it can get with air quality and stopping people from driving a bunch of lovely old bangers in traffic, especially the diesels. Ah, I didn’t know what they’re for. See, here in the US, that sort of poo poo is to mainly hassle poor people.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:ULEZ? quote:To help clear London's air, the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every day of the year, except Christmas Day (25 December). The zone operates across all London boroughs, and does not include the M25. Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ: All vehicles built before 1 January 1973 Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class The ULEZ standards are: Euro 3 for motorcycles, mopeds, motorised tricycles and quadricycles (L category) Euro 4 (NOx) for petrol cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles Euro 6 (NOx and PM) for diesel cars, vans and minibuses and other specialist vehicles Euro 3 became mandatory for all new motorcycles in 2007 Euro 4 became mandatory for all new cars in 2005 and light vans in 2006 Euro 6 became mandatory for all new heavy duty engines for goods vehicles and buses from January 2014, September 2015 for cars and light vans, and September 2016 for larger vans up to and including 3.5 tonnes gross vehicle weight.
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Nov 27, 2023 03:21
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so... you have to be 2005 or newer, or 1973 or older. sounds like Darchangel posted:that sort of poo poo is to mainly hassle poor people. since if you're well off you have a newer car or a classic, but if you're a service worker driving a clapped out 1998 camry or 2002 hyundai or something like that, you gotta pay up.
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Something like 90% of cars in greater london are already ULEZ compliant. And london actually has public transport (crappy as it might be in some areas), the yearly inspection doesnt allow Just Rolled In levels of cars to happen, and the cost of owning a car in the UK is comparatively higher to the US. That clapped out 98 camry would have been taken off the road for failing the MOT. So people in general own cars at lower rates than the US Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Raluek posted:so... you have to be 2005 or newer, or 1973 or older. London has something close to actual functional public transport
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:London has something close to actual functional public transport And insanely knowledgeable cabbies
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Something like 90% of cars in greater london are already ULEZ compliant. And london actually has public transport (crappy as it might be in some areas), the yearly inspection doesnt allow Just Rolled In levels of cars to happen, and the cost of owning a car in the UK is comparatively higher to the US. Pretty much, you very rarely see anything older than 2010’s driving around. Also with the, ‘oh it’s hurting the poor’ most of the poorest people aren’t going to be driving full stop in London because of the general cost. Public transport is pretty loving decent really for most cases, it’s obviously not going to cover every single use case but for the majority it’s great. There are a lot of businesses using old knackered Diesel vans that should really be off the road with the poo poo they spew out.
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Nov 27, 2023 10:46
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Humphreys posted:And insanely knowledgeable cabbies I've spent a lot of time in London and it's insanely walkable, at least in Zone 1 and 2. For anywhere that isn't there's a cab with a driver who is required by law to know every drat street in the city.
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Raluek posted:so... you have to be 2005 or newer, or 1973 or older. London has world class public transport and also the UK aggressively salts the roads so their aren't really any 1998 Corollas left (we don't get Camrys).
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CaptainTofu posted:London has world class public transport and also the UK aggressively salts the roads so their aren't really any 1998 Corollas left (we don't get Camrys). We did get camrys but the rare few of them have been canibalised by MR2/Celica owners for their 5SFE engines to make 5S-GTE hybrid motors and for some stupid reason people loved to shove the terrible 3vz-fe into mr2's also.
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track day bro! posted:We did get camrys but the rare few of them have been canibalised by MR2/Celica owners for their 5SFE engines to make 5S-GTE hybrid motors and for some stupid reason people loved to shove the terrible 3vz-fe into mr2's also. I had no idea, I'm not sure if I've ever noticed one. But then maybe that's the point.
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CaptainTofu posted:I had no idea, I'm not sure if I've ever noticed one. But then maybe that's the point. I mean they are bland enough for most people to not notice but also yeah they didn't sell that many compared to the corolla. Weirdly the Auris which is the camry replacement sells pretty decently, although a lot of them are minicabs.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:London has something close to actual functional public transport Humphreys posted:And insanely knowledgeable cabbies Vincent Van Goatse posted:I've spent a lot of time in London and it's insanely walkable, at least in Zone 1 and 2. For anywhere that isn't there's a cab with a driver who is required by law to know every drat street in the city. This makes all the difference in the world.
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I’ve seen a couple of new model Camrys being used as taxis here in Bristol. I thought it was weird because they didn’t appear to be sold here.
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The ULEZ is like smoking in bars. Lot of brouhaha when it's implemented, but within a couple of years everyone will be like "I can't believe we used to live like that". Used to be you'd go out in to central London, come home, blow your nose, and the snot would be black.
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Nov 27, 2023 16:58
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London cabbies are required by law to be mentats.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:London cabbies are required by law to be mentats. It is for fares alone I set my cab in motion. It is by the mug of tea that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
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AirRaid posted:I’ve seen a couple of new model Camrys being used as taxis here in Bristol. I thought it was weird because they didn’t appear to be sold here. They started selling the latest model a few years ago I believe.
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Cars rule, cars in cities do not. It's very, very easy and everyone inherently knows this.
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KakerMix posted:Cars rule, cars in cities do not. I really can't argue with that, much as I love cars.
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Actually cars in cities rule too if you've ever driven around at night. I think the trick is to make sure everyone else isn't driving at the same time, somehow.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It is for fares alone I set my cab in motion. It is by the mug of tea that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. Almost perfect. The teeth acquire stains.
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Cities: good Cars: good Cities + cars:  Cities + good public transport: 
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mobby_6kl posted:Actually cars in cities rule too if you've ever driven around at night. I think the trick is to make sure everyone else isn't driving at the same time, somehow. It doesn't matter what time it is in London, it's still the slowest city in the world to drive in. https://www.statista.com/chart/30844/average-travel-time-per-10km/ It's not so bad on the outskirts, but the further you get in the worse it gets. It's also like the 3rd bigest city in the world, like the London borough I used to live in the population is about 500,000 give or take. I moved to a pretty large town just outside of London with a population of 40,000 Funnily enough there are 0 traffic jams here. Still people are complaining that the council are removing parking spaces and adding cycle lanes and making the town centre nicer for pedestrians. There are literally 5 car parks and people still complain, even then the fact that the town centre is perfectly walkable and I very rarely need to drive into it.
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track day bro! posted:It doesn't matter what time it is in London, it's still the slowest city in the world to drive in. Yeah that's the other part about cars in cities. They take up space, roads to accommodate them, places to park, infrastructure. You can to unload all that and go "now it's a bicycle lane" and it's so, so much better.
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Londons cycling infrastructure is complete poo poo unfortunately with lanes just randomly ending, nothing is consistent between different boroughs either. Or if you want to go a different direction to where the lanes have been built, tough poo poo you get to share the road with every impatient motherfucker who will treat you as an object to get by and not a person. I cycled a fair bit but only because there was a nearby canal that pretty much went all the way close to the centre of London and then you could mostly cycle in buslanes for like 2 minutes, but I'm going to be honest those few minutes still feel incredibly unsafe and tbh if you ask most people in London why they don't cycle it's for that reason the infrastructure doesn't help you feel safe. I mean I'm sure it's better than some of the stuff I've seen in the US but still. The Netherlands gets their cycling infrastructure right by having it be consistent and you never share the space with cars.
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track day bro! posted:It doesn't matter what time it is in London, it's still the slowest city in the world to drive in. Handily, Wikipedia has a list for this. By city proper population, London is 29 out of the 81 listed. By metro area pop, it's 14. By 2018 UN estimate, whatever that means, it's 37. By area, it's 31. Fun facts: population density for London proper is 5,614 per square km. For Paris, it's 20,460. Mumbai is 20,694. For Manila, 41,399.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Handily, Wikipedia has a list for this. By city proper population, London is 29 out of the 81 listed. By metro area pop, it's 14. By 2018 UN estimate, whatever that means, it's 37. By area, it's 31. Huh. Found their website and it's pretty neat. Turns out the only time I drive in Milwaukee (to and from work) is also the worst time to drive. And it's WORSE on the metro area than in the city center itself?
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What is everyone's definition of a good public transportation? What is the usual distance to transit stop and how many changes are required during a trip? I usually consider the transportation in Helsinki quite good, but using your own car is still so much better. A little while ago I decided to go out after work to visit couple stores and a restaurant and I had made the decision before look out how much it was raining. Subway and tram travel worked well enough, but I still had to walk about 3 kilometers in the rain and since the first store was at the coast the wind broke my umbrella. That was much worse experience compared to 100-200 meters of walking in rain my car would have required, depending on how close to the restaurant I had found parking stop, since both stores had indoor parking. I lived in Helsinki for 15 years without owning a car and then I inherited an old car. Nowadays I have hard time imagining how good public transportation would have to be for me to sell my car.
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Saw this a few days ago in Romania  I didn't have time to examine it but being where it was I guess some kind of Dacia because I've never seen such a thing before.
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Saukkis posted:What is everyone's definition of a good public transportation? What is the usual distance to transit stop and how many changes are required during a trip? It's tricky to define. I guess my definition is that most everyday trips are easier via public transit than via car. When we lived in Chicago, we sold our car after a month when we realized most of what we did, we did by bus and train. Eventually I broke my leg and bought a Jeep when I acquired hobbies that took 1 hr + to get to via public transit vs 15 minutes' drive. Even then, I commuted to work by bus because it was cheaper and less hassle. Same thing happened when we moved to New York. It was cheaper and less hassle to sell the car and get everywhere by bus/train/bike/ferry, or rent a car for the odd trip somewhere else.
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That side looks like a Renault 12, so yes, a Dacia of some sort.
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Yeah, that's a Renault 12-based Dacia of some sort. In the UK the truck version was sold here as either the Pick-Up or the Shifter. I've never seen the twin-cab version though. They made those trucks until well into the 2000s, with the last ones having a very late-90s face-lift grafted onto the very late-60s Renault front body.
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It's the most wonderful time of the year, and I don't mean Christmas -  It's time for the Sheep Game again!Click on our mission patch below to go to space! or the thread or whatever 
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Safety Dance posted:It's tricky to define. I guess my definition is that most everyday trips are easier via public transit than via car. When we lived in Chicago, we sold our car after a month when we realized most of what we did, we did by bus and train. Eventually I broke my leg and bought a Jeep when I acquired hobbies that took 1 hr + to get to via public transit vs 15 minutes' drive. Even then, I commuted to work by bus because it was cheaper and less hassle. It is, because its not just about the transport itself, the place has to also be walkable so your last mile on foot isnt a slog. Climate also plays a role and that has to be factored into the system. Imo if your total walk time in any public transit journey is 5-10 minutes id say you have a very good system.
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