Bar Ran Dun posted:

Industrial capital vs finance capital

John DiFool posted:

Has anyone ever floated the theory that Dolores Dei was a phasmid or somehow related to one? There’s the theory of her not being human, and her undue influence over people could be explained in part by the phasmids mind control ability.

John DiFool posted:

Has anyone ever floated the theory that Dolores Dei was a phasmid or somehow related to one? There’s the theory of her not being human, and her undue influence over people could be explained in part by the phasmids mind control ability.

dead gay comedy forums posted:

I had to kill some time and welp

Bar Ran Dun posted:

I still think Harry is the next innocence .

dead gay comedy forums posted:

cock hero flux posted:

plenty of people have met both of them, they've lived in that area seemingly their entire lives. there only being one claire would involve like 50 continuous years of coverup starting as a small child for little to no gain. there's 2

cock hero flux posted:

it's not a common experience, but it's a common desire. For people with a lot of regrets, who can't take being themselves anymore. You don't want to kill yourself, you don't really want to be dead, but you want to stop being you.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I'm curious if Evrart works out how the murder happened after you tell him the murder weapon was a gun. I know it was Edgar who interacted with The Deserter but presumably Evrart also knew about him (and he never leaves his shipping container so he wouldn't ever be in the line of fire himself).

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I still get the vibe that Disco Elysium is presenting a world that 'runs' on the logic and mechanics of a grand strategy game, like Civilization or a Paradox game, with figures like the Innocence and royalty being their Great People and leaders being the major figures that are a centrepiece of that game as Great Man History made manifest. There's a lot to be said on the political dimensions and deconstruction of that, but critics of Dolores Dei get pretty specific about how she acts more like she's playing a game than ruling a nation, with the repeated expeditions into the Pale until they discovered an uninhabited isola seeming like someone trying to metagame and make progress they shouldn't 'know' about by brute-forcing it. Very much vibes of something veteran players of those games should understand. (the Philipean kings meanwhile have very Crusader Kings vibes)

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It wouldn't surprise me. But it also wouldn't surprise me if he figured, correctly, it wouldn't meaningfully change the outcome in the immediate future. he might worry about the RCM getting some potential ties back to him on the brothers having used the Deserter as an assassin, but at that point they have much bigger things to worry about.

I still get the vibe that Disco Elysium is presenting a world that 'runs' on the logic and mechanics of a grand strategy game, like Civilization or a Paradox game, with figures like the Innocence and royalty being their Great People and leaders being the major figures that are a centrepiece of that game as Great Man History made manifest. There's a lot to be said on the political dimensions and deconstruction of that, but critics of Dolores Dei get pretty specific about how she acts more like she's playing a game than ruling a nation, with the repeated expeditions into the Pale until they discovered an uninhabited isola seeming like someone trying to metagame and make progress they shouldn't 'know' about by brute-forcing it. Very much vibes of something veteran players of those games should understand. (the Philipean kings meanwhile have very Crusader Kings vibes)

Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Not just her critics - I'm Dolores Dei's number one fan, and her being a grand strategy/4X player with a penchant for technological slingshots is a contributing factor to that, if a secondary one.

The primary reason is that I see Moralintern as a bitter reaction to Dolores Dei's tragic fate rather than a continuation of her life's work. We are told that she had launched bold exploratory forays, enacted sweeping reforms, and inspired religious loyalty in her followers despite being a force of secularism (or perhaps because of it; one should have no other gods, after all). This is a far cry from latter-day Moralitern's glacial speed, emphasis on stability, and total lack of belief in anything. The last part is particularly important, because it implies that it wasn't Dolores Dei's actions that accelerated the advance of the pale, but rather her untimely death. Much like our protagonist, billions of people found themselves unable to deal with the loss of the woman who was the whole world to them. They chose to embrace oblivion, and the pale is a result of their choice.

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I also have a hard time pitching it because I really don't want to spoil the premise of what skills actually do, that's such a wonderful surprise if you run into it blind.

My greatest success was talking to a lit nerd and reciting the Kingdom of Conscience solution from memory. That's a good draw, and unlikely to be a spoiler if you know your friends would never commit to Moralism.

Eiba posted:

And so, in the novel A Sacred and Terrible Air, there is an Innocence of nihilism. The indecision is over and oblivion is actively embraced. The Pale consumes all.

Sacred and Terrible Air posted:

But Ignus doesn’t listen. “I said terrible things, yes! I stood on a white horse, in a blizzard, and gave speeches. In the mountains, on the construction site… I swung my sword, with silver sunbeams on the hilt. And all around me fluttered white flags, crests of crowned horns made with silver thread, a pentagon between the prongs of the horns, the branches raised to heaven. Everyone who came here with me became happy, Zigi! Communism is powerful! Believe in Communism, it’s a burst of enthusiasm! I promise! It’s beautiful when you believe in a person, but without it…!”

“Without it, there is nothing.”

“Nothing. It was a blizzard, but it was bright, it was morning. Communism is white, it sparkles! Communism is the morning, it is a jubilation!” The pale begins to recede dangerously around the entroponaut. The world turns white; beams of light seep from Ignus’ chest into the dim spruce trees. The falling snow sparkles in the beams like silver confetti, the colour creeping into the worldlike a threat. Zygismunt stomps his foot. He covers his ears with his hands and shouts, “Enough! Stop!”

“Enough, stop…” rolls across the field like a sword cutting through the air.

“Please forgive me, Zygismunt, my friend,” says the voice of the distortion. The man is panting in the middle of the forest road, it is dim and twilit again. The pale returns, and the entroponaut breathes a sigh of relief.

Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Hot take: Disco Elysium is a video game and none of the choices the player makes in it are reflective on who they are as a person.

goblin week posted:

Letting your friends play Disco is such a weird way validate your bias on people sometimes. My brother was disappeared by coalition warship Archer and at no point in that I was surprised

General Battuta posted:

My brother did the exact same thing...he was a math/econ major (so he could maximize his access to capital) and works at Meta

Rogue AI Goddess posted:

Hot take: Disco Elysium is a video game and none of the choices the player makes in it are reflective on who they are as a person.

CatstropheWaitress posted:

I do love how the game immediately and viciously derides the player for trying to sleep with the first woman they see. You're right, but when the game calls you out on what would be IRL behavior, it does feel like someone's holding up a mirror to what kind of amoral/chaotic behavior other games reward.