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Strange Matter posted:You can't stop me from making Montenegro Planes for my friends and calling them Paper Planes no matter how much hate you try to send my way. The Maestro posted:Montenegro is almost $15 cheaper also More like Pauper Planes
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More amaretto and more Dr Pepper is always a good thing. Try a Flaming Dr Pepper, which the Ptarmigan Club in Bryan, TX claims to have invented: 3/4 of a shot glass of amaretto, topped with Bacardi 151 (or an equally flammable rum) lit on fire and dropped into a beer. They’re typically made in multiples, line up beer glasses side by side, 3/4 full of beer, set the shot glasses on the lips of two beer glasses, add the shot, light on fire and tap on shot so the rest domino into the beers. Everyone takes their drink and chug! Edit: https://youtu.be/eYcnq2tt3nI?si=witWUauQoHzB2oUX It does taste like a Dr Pepper.
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Dec 2, 2023 19:37
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Disaronno and dr pepper is good.
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Dec 2, 2023 19:43
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Dr. Pepper gives me vicious heartburn, so pass.
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Dec 2, 2023 20:05
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I've been thinking about the Zombie recently. Mainly, how awful it is. I've been wondering how to improve it while staying true to the spirit. There are many recipes, but this is pretty close to the original 1.5 aged pot still rum 1.5 aged column still rum 1 151 dem rum .5 falernum 2 dash ango .75 lime 1 grapefruit .5 cinnamon syrup .25 grenadine 1 tsp absinthe I think the OG recipe used less juice by about an ounce but the rest is pretty close. In any case, it's not a good tasting drink in this form. In part because grapefruit juice is nasty, in part because the balance of alcohol to sugar is a little more than 2:1. The only idea I have is to drop the grapefruit and sub pineapple. Anything else seems to change the drink too much. For instance swapping one of the syrups with passion fruit.
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Dec 2, 2023 20:24
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The Maestro posted:Montenegro is almost $15 cheaper also Pauper Plane - poo poo beaten I've made some boulevardiers with Averna instead of Campari and they're pretty tasty.
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Dec 2, 2023 20:28
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Waltzing Along posted:I've been thinking about the Zombie recently. Mainly, how awful it is. I've been wondering how to improve it while staying true to the spirit. I think you're barking up the wrong tree a bit. The Zombie shouldn't have grapefruit juice, instead the grapefruit and cinnamon are combined in a syrup called Don's Mix, which is then used in a much smaller amount than the total of 1.5oz of grapefruit juice and cinnamon syrup that you're using. This will reduce unnecessary liquid volume and remove a lot of the acid and bitterness that the grapefruit is adding.
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Dec 2, 2023 21:55
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Waltzing Along posted:I've been thinking about the Zombie recently. Mainly, how awful it is. I've been wondering how to improve it while staying true to the spirit. 1 oz fresh lime juice 1 oz fresh lemon juice 1 oz unsweetened pineapple juice 1 oz passion fruit syrup 1 oz light rum 1 oz gold Puerto Rican rum 1 oz 151-proof demerara rum 1 tsp brown sugar syrup 1 dash Angostura bitters A lot more sugar, a lot more acid and a little bit less rum. I like them, but they’re not nearly as good as the 34, which you are unequivocally wrong about.
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Dec 2, 2023 21:57
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prayer group posted:I think you're barking up the wrong tree a bit. The Zombie shouldn't have grapefruit juice, instead the grapefruit and cinnamon are combined in a syrup called Don's Mix, which is then used in a much smaller amount than the total of 1.5oz of grapefruit juice and cinnamon syrup that you're using. This will reduce unnecessary liquid volume and remove a lot of the acid and bitterness that the grapefruit is adding. Yeah, looking at the recipe it is 1/3 as much of the grapefruit/cinnamon in the same ratio. 1 dash ango and 1/8 tsp of absinthe (pernod in the original) and the same for grenadine So an even greater alcohol > sugar ratio. Yikes.
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Dec 2, 2023 22:02
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Alucard posted:Pauper Plane - poo poo beaten If you have Gran Classico consider that a swap instead of Averna? It’s that touch sweeter than Campari and the more prominent rhubarb note should integrate better with most whiskies you’d mix with. Also I just found a place that stocks Nonino here and it turns out my wife likes it neat, so that’s gonna be a permanent add to the bar and I now have to get bottles for a house Paper Plane.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:04
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tonedef131 posted:You’re basically describing a 50s style zombie, which lean more into fruit than spice. This is a really funny spec lol. What on earth is the single dash of ango gonna do up against three ounces of juice, an ounce of syrup and three ounces of rum?
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Dec 2, 2023 23:05
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If Montenegro is cheaper Nonino and Aperol is cheaper Campari, what's Fernet Branca's equivalent? (I drink enough Campari that it doesn't taste anything like Aperol, but that's the perception)
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Dec 2, 2023 23:55
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There’s R. Jelinek Fernet and Fernet-Vallet but they’re not quite Fernet Branca. And I’m not sure if the price is that different.
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Dec 3, 2023 00:30
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Strange Matter posted:If Montenegro is cheaper Nonino and Aperol is cheaper Campari, what's Fernet Branca's equivalent? And Monte doesn't taste like Nonino...but it'll do in a pinch. There is no next-best Fernet Branca. It's just...its own thing. I can't really think of a lot of consumer package goods to relate it to.
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Dec 3, 2023 00:40
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Wait, Montenegro is $35 now? I thought it was way less than that. I don't think it's worth it, it doesn't taste very good
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Dec 3, 2023 00:56
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I bought a bunch of mead the other day because I have very poor impulse control, and while I absolutely don't regret the purchase, rather than only drinking mead for the next few months I thought I might see how it goes in a cocktail. I've used it in a boulevardier riff before, and am gonna try it out in place of Benedictine in a couple of drinks too. But I got like six bottles, so if anyone has any other thoughts or suggestions, I'm willing to try out almost anything.
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Dec 3, 2023 01:22
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JUST MAKING CHILI posted:More amaretto and more Dr Pepper is always a good thing.
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Dec 3, 2023 03:38
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Amaretto and beer soda!
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Dec 3, 2023 03:39
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Strange Matter posted:Wait, is Dr. Pepper secretly an amaretto soda? Amaretto and cherry, yes.
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Dec 3, 2023 05:07
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Waltzing Along posted:Yeah, looking at the recipe it is 1/3 as much of the grapefruit/cinnamon in the same ratio. I use a Zombie as one of the standard drinks in my bar, and my spec is 2.5 Hamilton zombie blend, .5 falernum, 1 pineapple, .75 lime, .5 grapefruit, .25 grenadine, few dashes absinthe (usually 6-7 shakes from my dasher), top of overproof. It's supposed to be a boozy drink, with the spice and juice to balance out the power a bit. Normally I double the recipe for guests so that it properly fills a giant tiki mug.
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Dec 3, 2023 19:19
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Normally I double the recipe for guests so that it properly fills a giant tiki mug. That’s insane, please tell me you’re not regularly serving people 5 ounces of 118proof rum with an overproof float.
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Dec 3, 2023 19:46
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There’s a reason zombies are “limit two (or one double, I guess) per customer.”
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Dec 3, 2023 19:49
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The Bandit posted:That’s insane, please tell me you’re not regularly serving people 5 ounces of 118proof rum with an overproof float. Sounds like a very good host.
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Dec 3, 2023 20:01
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No, I get that it's supposed to be strong. I just think it's a bad tasting drink. This seems to be common with many early tiki drinks. I think there should be a way of improving the taste without changing the drink too drastically. That's why I focused on the grapefruit. Sure, some people like it, but it's not a particularly good tasting fruit.
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Dec 3, 2023 20:02
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The Bandit posted:That’s insane, please tell me you’re not regularly serving people 5 ounces of 118proof rum with an overproof float. Look, tiki is all about maximalism.
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Dec 3, 2023 20:04
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Waltzing Along posted:No, I get that it's supposed to be strong. I just think it's a bad tasting drink. This seems to be common with many early tiki drinks. I think there should be a way of improving the taste without changing the drink too drastically. That's why I focused on the grapefruit. Sure, some people like it, but it's not a particularly good tasting fruit. It's ok to like different things. There's a zillion drinks to choose from.
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Dec 3, 2023 20:05
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cptn_dr posted:I bought a bunch of mead the other day because I have very poor impulse control, and while I absolutely don't regret the purchase, rather than only drinking mead for the next few months I thought I might see how it goes in a cocktail. Threw a quarter of an ounce into a martini last night, riffing on a Poet's Martini, and that worked really nicely. Added a floral note that was distinct without being overpowering. So far, so good as a 1:1 replacement for Benedictine.
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Dec 3, 2023 20:48
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Waltzing Along posted:No, I get that it's supposed to be strong. I just think it's a bad tasting drink. This seems to be common with many early tiki drinks. I think there should be a way of improving the taste without changing the drink too drastically. That's why I focused on the grapefruit. Sure, some people like it, but it's not a particularly good tasting fruit. Focusing on 1oz of grapefruit juice out of a recipe that has 7 total oz of volume (4 of which is rum) seems misguided at best. Especially considering it’s already been noted that the juice is part of a spiced syrup mix and that the recipe you’re using isn’t quite correct.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Look, tiki is all about maximalism. Personally I’m here for it, I just can’t imagine very many normal* humans are prepared for that. *non-alcoholic, non-former service industry
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Also I like the way grapefruit tastes, if you don't like grapefruit I understand why you might not like a drink that includes it?
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Dec 3, 2023 22:24
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I hate grapefruit, but i love a Paloma.
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Dec 3, 2023 22:54
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Matt Zerella posted:I hate grapefruit, but i love a Paloma. Palomas made me really enjoy neat tequila. It’s so good.
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Dec 3, 2023 22:58
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Matt Zerella posted:I hate grapefruit, but i love a Paloma.  Not going to eat grapefruit by itself but I like using it in cocktails.
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Dec 3, 2023 23:06
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A Frozen Paloma was my first cocktail. I still love Palomas. Best soda cocktail?
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Dec 4, 2023 00:28
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TengenNewsEditor posted:A Frozen Paloma was my first cocktail. I still love Palomas. Best soda cocktail? For my money, it could be. I have been working up an article about American regional sodas and their prohibition-era wink and a nod towards not being mixers, and I'm delighted to say that the original formulation of Mountain Dew makes a great whiskey soda. There's one last semi-independent bottler in Western NC that still makes Dr Pepper and Mountain Dew with cane sugar, and it's not worth paying shipping necessarily but cool as hell if you're passing through Boone or Johnson City.
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Dec 4, 2023 13:58
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I had the sous vide running for something else so doubled up and made Kevin Kos' white creme de cacao. It's pretty nice! I used different white rum, Havana Club, but don't think that changes it much. I might use more vanilla next time, or maybe a fresher pod, but it delicious.
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Dec 4, 2023 22:10
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Speaking of which are there any good, classic cocktails using Creme de Cacao? I've tried a brandy alexander a couple ways and it always lets me down, what else can I do with this stuff?
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Dec 4, 2023 22:17
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As far as classics go, you could make Grasshoppers, but they're also super heavy. Twentieth Century cocktails are also classic and lighter. It plays well with whiskey, rum, and mezcal, so you could always try a dash or two in a manhattan, or a rum or mezcal old fashioned, that type of thing.
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Dec 4, 2023 22:46
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bloody ghost titty posted:For my money, it could be. I have been working up an article about American regional sodas and their prohibition-era wink and a nod towards not being mixers, and I'm delighted to say that the original formulation of Mountain Dew makes a great whiskey soda. There's one last semi-independent bottler in Western NC that still makes Dr Pepper and Mountain Dew with cane sugar, and it's not worth paying shipping necessarily but cool as hell if you're passing through Boone or Johnson City. They're not doing throwback Mountain Dew anymore? I don't drink sugary soda anymore (I'll make an exception for a Dark and Stormy), but I remember the cane sugar making a huge difference in Dew that it didn't seem to in Mexican Coke and throwback Dr Pepper.
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Qylvaran posted:They're not doing throwback Mountain Dew anymore? I don't drink sugary soda anymore (I'll make an exception for a Dark and Stormy), but I remember the cane sugar making a huge difference in Dew that it didn't seem to in Mexican Coke and throwback Dr Pepper. From what I can see on the internet, "real sugar" Dew is still available in places, but what I'm talking about is a real-deal contractual holdout from mid century indie soda bottlers that contracted for the ingredients/concentrates and mixed up the drink and bottled separate from big Pepsi. For God, Country, and Coca-Cola has a lot of good background on the consolidation of soda from regional concerns to a remora on the American Empire, but Pepsi diversified its holdings early, to mixed effect. For instance, Suntory (like the whiskey) is the major operator of PepsiCo bottling in East and South Asia, while these indie bottlers have retained their midcentury contracts by never folding or changing hands.
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