Angepain posted:

I love this because even taken completely at face value it would mean half the goddamn country isn't allowed to fall in love with A Foreign

Guavanaut posted:

Canada at least has MAID as a fallback if you want to do that, whereas the pro suffering ghouls over here won't even let us have that.

quote:

It’s sunnier in Dubai, the visa lasts longer in the US and the wages are better in Canada. Many foreign care workers had already been thinking of quitting Britain for similar jobs elsewhere before the home secretary announced on Monday that dependants of new applicants would no longer be welcome.

Experts say the move, effective from next spring, will only make England’s severe care staff shortage worse amid international competition for people willing to look after society’s most vulnerable on low pay.

And, sure enough, Annie, a care worker from Botswana who was one of the first to arrive last year under the scheme inviting foreign care staff and their families, is already filling in the forms to switch to Canada.

“I wouldn’t have come,” she said when asked about James Cleverly’s new ban on bringing dependants. “It will affect a lot of people. Some of us are already looking at going to Australia, Canada or America because of the living conditions here, the amount of money I am paid, the rent.”

Annie has been working 15-hour days in Wiltshire and Somerset caring for elderly people. She makes about £1,500 a month and spends about two-thirds of that on rent. She brought her husband and daughter with her – some of the 120,000 dependants who accompanied 100,000 care workers on the scheme in the year to September.

Announcing his crackdown on Monday, Cleverly said too many of these were “drawing on public services rather than helping grow the economy”. Annie’s husband is learning to drive so he can become a care worker too.

In East Anglia, Jonathan, a care worker from the Philippines who had brought his wife and nine-year-old daughter with him, said: “This will reduce numbers. The reason overseas workers come here is the opportunity to bring your family and I don’t want to live separately from my family. Most of us have the same objective: to bring our families here.”

He is trained in complex care needs but earns just £11 an hour, which he described as “shockingly low”. Coming without family was unappealing he said, not least because “the weather in this country is depressing”.

“If you go to Saudi, Dubai or Hong Kong it’s sunny, so the psychological impact [of being away from family] is less,” he said.

smellmycheese posted:

Are they going to have time to actually pass these facist laws? Because a May election is pretty much confirmed as far as I hear, and that’s going to come around very quickly after Xmas

DreddyMatt posted:

Why may?
Surely sunak knows he's on his way out, why not hold on in power as long as possible?

Guavanaut posted:

Remember 5 years ago when it was

smellmycheese posted:

Are they going to have time to actually pass these facist laws? Because a May election is pretty much confirmed as far as I hear, and that’s going to come around very quickly after Xmas

cat botherer posted:

young people just love being patronized by boomers

quote:

Is the Rwanda policy a vote winner? One High Street has its say

As the government unveils a new treaty to deliver its Rwanda plan, we sought the views of people along one High Street about the controversial policy to deter migrants from crossing the channel.

"If you look on there," says Vince Ayris, lifting down a large artillery shell casing engraved with 400 names, "you can see the name of every British soldier killed in Afghanistan."

Over the din of the shoe repair and key cutting machines, the 61-year-old recounts how he delicately etched one of these shiny casings for each of the bereaved families who saw their military relative come home in a coffin.

"I met the Queen for doing this," he says, proudly polishing the one he keeps on display in his shop. "She shook my hand".

quote:

"I think it's come to the point where we have to sort this out," says Vince, a former parish councillor and Conservative supporter.

"You can't keep talking about something without acting on it. You have to go one way or the other and we've gone too far with it to go back. It would show a weakness now to go back.

"Rwanda's not a bad place, we're not sending them to a prison, they're being looked after. It's not a bad thing, it's just distant."

Mega Comrade posted:

They dont think they are being fashy though. They genuinely believe what they are suggesting is reasonable.

Crust First posted:

I don't want to give any false hope as I haven't looked into things completely, but when I came over under the old visa rules (managed to apply like a month before the minimum income threshold went into effect) my entire path through the visa system remained under the old rules (including when and how I could apply for ILR).

That said, the changes they're proposing are so inhumane that I don't know if they'll somehow manage to force people onto the new minimum income threshold halfway through their track to ILR when they file for the extension. It would be abhorrent but, that's sort of by design.

edit: Found some more info, seems like the Home Office thinks it shouldn't apply at renewal but Sunak does.

https://www.ft.com/content/44667d25-13ab-4d20-bc67-b5ac414c1dc2


Monsters.

Isomermaid posted:

I know. I wish they could be made to see the consequences of their words until the taste of what they are saying makes them choke.

Isomermaid posted:

The way these people can pose for a photo with a gentle friendly smile after going on record saying the most infuriatingly fashy poo poo will never stop enraging me.

The Question IRL posted:

I'd say even bringing these people over to Rwanda to see what it is really like isn't going to change their minds, since they won't be living it.

The Question IRL posted:

Remember after the Brexit vote how some newspapers would go find business owners who voted for Brexit who said that there business was going under because they couldn't hire migrant workers/they no longer had access to EU funding/the cost of exporting was pricing them out of the market?

Like it felt good for schadenfreude, but it didn't change any of their minds. Not enough to make a difference.
I'd say even bringing these people over to Rwanda to see what it is really like isn't going to change their minds, since they won't be living it.

FiftySeven posted:

This entire situation has me so loving angry and worried, my partner had an anxiety attack last night and was questioning if she even wanted to come to the UK to live with me considering how unwelcoming the UK has become. She is going for her Biometrics today and we have already sunk a chunk of money into this process, and honestly, I dont have anything to say to make her feel better about this. I still think the UK is a better option than the US, given the healthcare costs and other societal issues the US has, and the fact that I run a business and its not transferable. But that said, the lack of clarity on all of this leads me to ask, are we just wasting our time and money? Would Labour be likely to reverse all of this horrible poo poo if it does go through? Will it stand any chance of not being challenged and blocked in court?

I just dont know.

fuctifino posted:

I had a quick look at his facebook profile, and he once had this as his profile picture:

fuctifino posted:

I had a quick look at his facebook profile, and he once had this as his profile picture:

Isomermaid posted:

Remembering that lyric "You see a man's face, but you can't see his heart". Ugh :-(

Mega Comrade posted:

fuctifino posted:

"I'm a dumb, racist oval office. Now watch me pose like I poo poo myself."

fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/PoliticsMoments/status/1732008344682918131

fuctifino posted:

Is the Rwanda policy a vote winner? One High Street has its say

Guavanaut posted:

UKMT Winterval 2015/16 - If I'm at work you're not wearing any trousers

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I found this on facebook of all places the other day.



No idea what it's from and fully expect that character to get milkshake ducked, but it does summarise a huge problem with most centrist journalism.

Guavanaut posted:

Reminds me more of the Pratchett quote about how the way to a man's heart is up and under the ribcage.