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SchwarzeKrieg posted:Is the base Steam Deck still worth it with the OLED out? I'm looking at grabbing a very lightly used one from a friend, it's a base 64gb model that's been upgraded with a Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1tb, also comes with a SanDisk Extreme 512gb SD Card and a handful of accessories for $400 which I think sounds like a pretty good deal, just having some mild FOMO with not spending extra on the OLED. Does it make that much of a difference when I probably won't play anything made within the last decade (or two)? The base will do everything the oled will do, just with a worse screen and battery. If you have access to an og and oled switch you can sort of see what you would be missing out on. So far I have weathered the FOMO and am still enjoying my lcd a lot.
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If you’re going to install Windows on your Deck you might as well buy an Ally because you’re giving up instant sleep, shader cache sharing, a great controller configuration, and all the power management stuff. I would definitely not recommend an Ally over an OLED Deck, but…
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Subjunctive posted:If you’re going to install Windows on your Deck you might as well buy an Ally because you’re giving up instant sleep, shader cache sharing, a great controller configuration, and all the power management stuff. That’s why you just put windows on the SD card and don’t mess with the internal storage.
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The other thing about really old games and GOG stuff is it rarely has good controller support and doesn't always acknowledge Steam Input, so even if you get them installed you're going to have issues playing them. SchwarzeKrieg posted:Is the base Steam Deck still worth it with the OLED out? I'm looking at grabbing a very lightly used one from a friend, it's a base 64gb model that's been upgraded with a Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1tb, also comes with a SanDisk Extreme 512gb SD Card and a handful of accessories for $400 which I think sounds like a pretty good deal, just having some mild FOMO with not spending extra on the OLED. Does it make that much of a difference when I probably won't play anything made within the last decade (or two)? If you're getting a good deal on the LCD Deck it's still absolutely worth it. I don't have any issues with mine.
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do not waste your time with windows on this thing, imho, unless you are going to be using it docked all the time
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I feel like if you're gonna be docked all the time and running very old games that basically need mouse and keyboard, just take the money and build one of those tiny pcs or something.
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Ineffiable posted:I feel like if you're gonna be docked all the time and running very old games that basically need mouse and keyboard, just take the money and build one of those tiny pcs or something. Good point
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Quantum of Phallus posted:do not waste your time with windows on this thing, imho, unless you are going to be using it docked all the time Yea, that's why I put windows 10 on an external ssd that's hooked up via the dock. I almost never use it, but at least it's available when I need it. edit: Just a quick note if you do this, some SSDs draw more power than the official dock can handle. You need to either use the SSD at a slow speed (like using a cable with a lower max) or buy a different dock and use a 100W PD adapter.
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JustJeff88 posted:Would it be useful to install Win10 as a dual-boot system to use when the base OS doesn't work? I bought the 1tb model and I am going to insert a 512gb MicroSD card that I'm not using elsewhere, so permanent memory is abundant. I know that I sound like a fussy old granny, but I just can't see Duels of the Planeswalkers from 1998 working on this. In addition to all the practical advice, here's an old fashioned, content-free, "just drink the Kool aid" exhortation: just drink the Kool aid, JustJeff88 - at least before you try other drinks. More seriously, approach the Deck without expectation or preconception of failure or need to stick to how you used to do something and you'll find it's a marvelously capable device - including its software and operating system. Learning a bit about how to use Proton to handle edge cases can go a long way, since it's very powerful under the hood. There's plenty of knowledge in this thread. It's possible that Duels may not work, but it's also possible that a simple WINEDLLOVERRIDES tweak may make it work. I'd get to that point before installing Windows. You're giving up on a lot of the power by using Windows. Games run faster and better with the Proton/Linux layer than with all the bloat of Windows, important on this kind of hardware. Linux isn't a compromise or negative on this device, it's what differentiates and makes this a better device than its competition for many common use cases - but not all, of course. Plenty of use cases where Windows will be better, but mostly because of compatibility, not usually because it plays better.
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Yeah, there are much "better" options if your use case is Windows, but mostly you're just going to get a practical lesson in why handheld PCs failed to gain any real traction before the Steam Deck.
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It takes like 45 min to install windows on the SD card 
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If you install windows on the Steam deck you’re an idiot I’m not gonna be shy about saying this anymore
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i wanna install macOS on my steam deck
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img-cosmic brain turning your deck into a hackintosh
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MarcusSA posted:It takes like 45 min to install windows on the SD card And that's 45 minutes wasted. The Deck isn't designed for Windows, and Windows isn't designed for the Deck. There's no use case that makes sense. As mentioned above, if your desired use is old rear end games that don't emulate on Linux/Proton, they're gonna need a mouse and keyboard anyway, so at that point just buy a little box to put Windows and DOSbox on.
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JUNGLE BOY posted:i wanna install macOS on my steam deck zero games 
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Hey now, there are newer games like Lost Ark ignoring the shame of not just clicking the drat checkbox to support Linux Anti-cheat, and until they're supported I can totally understand someone running Windows for a specific game they love. I do not run Windows.
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Atoramos posted:Hey now, there are newer games like Lost Ark ignoring the shame of not just clicking the drat checkbox to support Linux Anti-cheat, and until they're supported I can totally understand someone running Windows for a specific game they love. I can't imagine the deck is capable of running Lost Ark. That game is absurd. Also its like 90GB.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:zero games Doesnt the pre X Mac OS have a fair slap of games? I mean I wouldn't go to the bother to set it up when the NES version is there but Shadowgate and the other macventure games are certainly a point of intrest?
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ConanThe3rd posted:Doesnt the pre X Mac OS have a fair slap of games? I mean I wouldn't go to the bother to set it up when the NES version is there but Shadowgate and the other macventure games are certainly a point of intrest? Mac gaming scene had some standouts but was super anemic until around the time they switched to intel chips.
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Koburn posted:The last system update turbo hosed my deck. Now whenever I remove the charging cable it instantly dies and won't turn back on until I reinsert it. Battery says it's at full. An update on this, still no change in the fuckedness. Seems the update timing was coincidental as I haven't seen anyone else with the same problem recently. I tried checking if the battery cable was loose, it wasn't. I don't see this being fixable on my end and going through steam support is agonizingly slow at the moment. It takes over 2 days for them to reply and each time it's a different person. They've already suggested the same copy and pasted reset the firmware/ BIOS instructions twice, despite telling them it didn't work the first time, and these were just one reply apart. Just scroll up bro. If this were a live chat we could have banged it out in 10 minutes, just suggest the RMA already!
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Annath posted:I can't imagine the deck is capable of running Lost Ark. That game is absurd. I have 2.5Tb of storage in my Deck, D4 played fine and I was considering Lost Ark until I saw I couldn't just run it native: https://youtu.be/UtyQKZOF3t4?si=wgHAJPac8gtoZY0B I'm sure there's other examples, but yea I'd totally install Windows on the SD to play specific games. It's not like compiled shaders won't eventually build out and compensate for the cache delivered by Steam
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MarcusSA posted:It takes like 45 min to install windows on the SD card And that's 45 minutes not spent playing games. Absolutely unacceptable. The steam deck offers to connect with your steam library effectively instantly and just allows you to suspend/resume stuff and pop in and out even if you only have 5 minutes to play. Just let it do it's job and enjoy your games.
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For the same price as a deck you can get a much, much faster laptop. Do not buy a Deck to use it docked all the time, that's asinine.
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Fuzz posted:For the same price as a deck you can get a much, much faster laptop. Much much faster?
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SchwarzeKrieg posted:Is the base Steam Deck still worth it with the OLED out? I'm looking at grabbing a very lightly used one from a friend, it's a base 64gb model that's been upgraded with a Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1tb, also comes with a SanDisk Extreme 512gb SD Card and a handful of accessories for $400 which I think sounds like a pretty good deal, just having some mild FOMO with not spending extra on the OLED. Does it make that much of a difference when I probably won't play anything made within the last decade (or two)? Some other people responded to this, but they may not have noticed that you're going to be paying almost as much as the 512 OLED for it. If someone was offering a used base Steam Deck for like $200-300 or something I'd say definitely, but at $400 you're just $150 away from the OLED's price. I guess it depends how useful the bundled accessories would be. How useful the extra 1tb of space would be also depends entirely on what sort of games you'd play and how fast your home wifi is (since you don't need a ton if you're not playing huge AAA games or if it's easy/quick to reinstall).
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Rinkles posted:Much much faster? For the price of a brand new 1TB OLED or LE + Dock? For sure. For the price of a used 64 gig LED? Hell no.
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Ytlaya posted:Some other people responded to this, but they may not have noticed that you're going to be paying almost as much as the 512 OLED for it. Yeah this was what I was thinking. If you're going to spend that money, just buy a new one.
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Fuzz posted:For the price of a brand new 1TB OLED or LE + Dock? For sure. Sure, but that that point you need to be comparing prices to used laptops on ebay or whatever. You can get a cheap Asus laptop at Target for $270. Now, it's got 4gb of RAM and a 128gb HD, which is all laughable in 2023, but if we're just looking to play old abandonware stuff from the 90s, it's more than fine. Once you're looking at actual 500gb OLED prices you're well into cheap Dell laptops with relatively modern specs. And that's before we start getting into cheap desktops or just building your own ultra-budget low end system. The reason to get a Steam Deck is because the handheld stuff is appealing. If all you want is a cheap PC there are easier ways to go about it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Sure, but that that point you need to be comparing prices to used laptops on ebay or whatever. Also worth getting for the inevitable (PLEASE GABEN) future when there's a Steam Controller 2 that you can natively map just like the built in deck controls! I would absolutely buy one just to leave it plugged in for that alone!
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harrygomm posted:are steam machines a thing any more? wikipedia says they cost between $50 and $6000 and the page they link to looks doa, so i guess that sort of answers my question Not officially but Valve have said they’re interested in reviving the concept using SteamOS 3 as a Deck companion/alternative.
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Songs of Conquest is awesome, and it looks like the devs are putting in some real effort to support the Steam Deck.
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harrygomm posted:are steam machines a thing any more? wikipedia says they cost between $50 and $6000 and the page they link to looks doa, so i guess that sort of answers my question You can build a small PC to shove under the TV and install Bazzite for HTPC's. It's setup to boot into Gamemode like SteamOS does and is similarly built on an immutable base (Silverblue).
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Annath posted:Songs of Conquest is awesome,
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ExcessBLarg! posted:I went to wishlist this and discovered it was already in my library. I hate it when that happens. It's fine, just means you don't have to wait for the purchase steps to start playing!
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v1ld posted:In addition to all the practical advice, here's an old fashioned, content-free, "just drink the Kool aid" exhortation: just drink the Kool aid, JustJeff88 - at least before you try other drinks. You make a fair point, but I am a very cynical person, unapolagetically, by nature and I tend to assume that everything fails unti it provably succeeds. I've never used Linux outside of university because it's just not compatible with a lot of games and so on. The reason that I did not buy a classic Steam Deck last year was because, when I hear 'Steam Deck', I assume that it's not meant to work with non-Steam games. People sold me on its excellent emulation abilities after I paid a lot of money for an Odin that was underpowered for my wants; that also jaded me. I was looking for an all-in-one portable gaming device and I'm worried that this isn't it; perhaps nothing is. So, I have understandable caution. I bought an Odin hoping that would be a good portable emulation device for me, and it didn't work for a lot of what I wanted. I think that it's fair to have the same concern here. By the way, the Duels reference is a bit misleading. A year or two ago I helped as a tester for a project to make the 1998 game and its expansions into a self-installing .exe that would work easily on modern machines because installing from the original discs/images on a modern machine is probably impossible. We succeeded, but it's still not a 'Steam game'. I appreciate all of the advice that people have given me here. I'm sure that I will need it again.
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JustJeff88 posted:By the way, the Duels reference is a bit misleading. A year or two ago I helped as a tester for a project to make the 1998 game and its expansions into a self-installing .exe that would work easily on modern machines because installing from the original discs/images on a modern machine is probably impossible. We succeeded, but it's still not a 'Steam game'. You're talking about the shandalar game, right? I have that and all the expansions on disc floating around somewhere and occasionally get the itch to play it. Where might a body find this installer?
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