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Covok posted:I was actually saying "man, Big Finish must be ticked that this series is serialized. There isn't any point to really insert a mid-term adventure for them. They could maybe sneak in a few when they were being thrown around time from the coffee, but that's a stretch for anything more than one audio. The new DWM's comic takes place between the end of The Star Beast and the cold open of Wild Blue Yonder.
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Haha, spot on. Is there one with Donna as well? I'm sure I remember Donna going on about the doctor running a sex cult or similar after being shown the previous companions
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Astroman posted:One could also point out that NPH putting on a hammy German stereotype accent is it's own form of problematic Germany's actions in WW2, much like British colonialism, has warranted their accents being made fun of until such point in the future where the world considers the debt repaid. 
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Hunter Leopardson posted:Haha, spot on. Is there one with Donna as well? I'm sure I remember Donna going on about the doctor running a sex cult or similar after being shown the previous companions I think that's right after she joins? Finds some record of Martha or Rose?
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I just realized that Rose Noble will call 14 “Uncle Doctor”, and I love that.
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TinTower posted:The new DWM's comic takes place between the end of The Star Beast and the cold open of Wild Blue Yonder. I should never underestimate their mastery of slipping in stories nowadays.
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Bicyclops posted:lmfao at the Toymaker going through all the Moffat companion "died, but lived forever!" endings. I hope Russell Davies sticks around writing therapy for himself for another five years. Also, I hope Ncuti actually has a proper run, with a new season every year. His version of the Doctor already looks like fun. At the rate RTD is burning through Gatwa series, they'll have announced the next regeneration before season two starts airing. HD DAD posted:I want a mini series of Santa Clause Colin Baker as Six running around with Peri so bad. I'm now upset that we'll never get an onscreen Evelyn. Astroman posted:At the same time 14 saying "We can be...celestial seems to redeem it a bit. I myself never saw it as a racist thing until many years later when I heard about the 19th century slur. I suspect the story was written with the "outer space" meaning in mind and then the BBC costume designers went "Right! Got it!" Boxturret posted:I think that's right after she joins? Finds some record of Martha or Rose? She finds a bit of Rose's clothes in The Runaway Bride and starts accusing the Doctor of going around and abducting women. The Amy scene, BTW, was an extra between episodes clip so not really part of the story.
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Man, everything about Ncuti's Doctor is just so fuckin rad. Every iota of him oozes charm right down to the sonic.
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thrawn527 posted:I just realized that Rose Noble will call 14 “Uncle Doctor”, and I love that. Thought this said Ross Noble and was very confused.
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I’m gonna laugh when the we find out the Master was saved by…herself. And she could only do it, because she had already done it, or some silly nonsense like that. Annabel Pee posted:Thought this said Ross Noble and was very confused. I just wrote Rose at first, but that was ambiguous. Looks like I still failed.
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LividLiquid posted:Because they didn't. And before you think I'm being an rear end in a top hat, I actually am going somewhere with this: My girlfriend left me at around the time of Doomsday., I took it very hard and was mopey for years (I was a young stupid man). I really identified with Tennant-Doc Then I decided - in 2010 - to move on. But I didn't really properly move on (because my problems were actually much older and deeper than 'gf left me', I just didn't realise it), and I decided to travel and be manic and charming (I thought) and funny and playful. I was in a seriously intense relationship with a couple, who were a nurse and a redhead named Amy. The three of us did everything together. They had a child lock on the passenger doors of their car, where I used to ride (for their niece) - this led to everyone joking that they were my 'parents'. I'd already had floppy hair for years, though I never went as far as a bowtie Then in 2014 I started my phd because I decided to 'grow up' and be 'serious', but I was actually having a major identity crisis and was growing angry and bitter and contemptuous and misanthropic as I watched the country and the world get worse and worse. Once I started teaching I started to feel a bit better about things. I'd already been dressing in boots and a crombie coat + hoodie combo for years Anyway, yeah, I feel ya, it's been uncanny at times Edit oh, and yeah, after years of intensive therapy and recuperation, I am now a proud uncle with his own mad house, settling down (with the occasional adventure) Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Also surprisingly subtle for Rusty as callbacks go: "I don't know... feels different this time..." as the Doctor's regenerating. Edit: And apparently the laughter as the Master tooth is retrieved includes basically all the actors who've played the role. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Bicyclops posted:lmao I'm still loving reeling. Michael Gough does an accent during the trilogic game, lmao. "Unless there's something in the production notes," Jesus Christ. In a level above the Astroman assessment, I agree with earlier posters that the implications that the Toymaker as an entity delights in using racism as part of his "game" works. If they were going to bring him back, they had to at least acknowledge it, and having him do exaggerated German, RP and cowboy American accents works. I think having The Doctor give a big dramatic pause and say "We could be... celestial" was a mistake, though. "Let's imagine why this out-of-time villain may have been garbed in racist curios and TRY to deal with it tastefully, while making it clear that he was a villain" is good, but doing a winking nod to the term during a dramatic moment was too much.
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I hope that Murray Gold song at the end is Fifteen's theme, I want to hear it slowly build while he gives some dramatic speech about stopping the bad guys from outlawing dance.
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I think someone made a comment about an 'Avengers' music cue when the Doctor lands at UNIT HQ, but it's actually a snippit of Twelve's theme (I maintain this is his ACTUAL theme now) "The Shepherd's Boy".
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Vinylshadow posted:https://twitter.com/NthDoctorWho/status/1733778956577337768 Imagine watching this and thinking "Oh, this is bad."
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Sorry can't imagine, too busy smiling; dancing, etc
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Hm...hand with red nail polish picks up gold tooth Kate was wearing red nail polish ...Master as part of UNIT for its spinoff series to fill the Time Lord quota?
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Vinylshadow posted:Hm...hand with red nail polish picks up gold tooth Oh. Ohhhhh. I mean, maybe. But really, anyone can wear red nail polish.
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Barry Foster posted:Edit oh, and yeah, after years of intensive therapy and recuperation, I am now a proud uncle with his own mad house, settling down (with the occasional adventure) Good! Never be afraid to have an adventure! ”We all change, when you think about it. We're all different people; all through our lives, and that's okay. That's good, you've got to keep moving. So long as you remember all the people that you used to be. I will not forget one line of this, not one day, I swear.”
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The_Doctor posted:Good! Never be afraid to have an adventure!  If I regenerated back into the Me I'm most comfortable as, it'd be that Me. The one like him I did find myself a bit resentful re: the last episode that one could quite easily interpret 11, 12 and 13 as a detour before the Doctor became his real/best self again (Tennant), but eh, I get the business reasoning
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Vinylshadow posted:Hm...hand with red nail polish picks up gold tooth Hand with red nail polish picks up the Masters ring after the funeral pyre in Last of the Time Lords. Missy wears red nail polish... thrawn527 posted:I’m gonna laugh when the we find out the Master was saved by…herself. And she could only do it, because she had already done it, or some silly nonsense like that.
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No way the Master isn't Bi-generating too, probably same echo through time rules, and Masters won't be as shy about making a mess of things. How many living Master actors we got still working?
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Astroman posted:At the same time 14 saying "We can be...celestial seems to redeem it a bit. I myself never saw it as a racist thing until many years later when I heard about the 19th century slur. I mean I got that he was dressed as a Mandarin but I figured it was a stock costume this being was using, like Q dressed as a 21st century judge, not that the writers literally meant the Doctor was going against a godlike being called "The Chinese Toymaker." It was a stock costume, they were having budget issues and had to reuse it from Marco Polo. But at the same time, by a funny coincidence,
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Has Jerusalem already posited that the Second Doctor bi-generated into Jo Martin *and* the Third Doctor?
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Khanstant posted:No way the Master isn't Bi-generating too, probably same echo through time rules, and Masters won't be as shy about making a mess of things. How many living Master actors we got still working? Ooh. Simm!Master's fancy device stopped Missy's regular regeneration, but could it stop her bigenerating? :think:
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https://youtu.be/3AcN05XW1hw Rusty gave Doctor Who a Sentai handoff -- I was primed to hate the bigeneration from leaks and nah it's brilliant and I love it
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I would like to thank this thread for educating my 50 year old self on the racist connotation of "celestial". I swear I've never encountered it, despite considering myself well-read and aware of such things. Heck, I had a great teacher in the 80's who corrected the class once that "rugs can be Oriental, but people from those areas are Asian. People are not rugs!" (I still quote that when correcting people.) Seriously, never knew that. Is it all possible that it was a more British thing than US? The only thing that pops to mind is the celestial goldfish, which are a weird breed where the eyes turn up. I always assumed that they were named that because they gaze heavenward all the time, and most niche breeds of goldfish come out of SE Asia anyway.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:I would like to thank this thread for educating my 50 year old self on the racist connotation of "celestial". I swear I've never encountered it, despite considering myself well-read and aware of such things. Heck, I had a great teacher in the 80's who corrected the class once that "rugs can be Oriental, but people from those areas are Asian. People are not rugs!" (I still quote that when correcting people.) I'm a 30yo Australian and I hadn't encountered it either  The more you know!
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Barry Foster posted:Anyway, yeah, I feel ya, it's been uncanny at times Nicely done! And glad to hear it was there for you too. It really is great for that.
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AFAIK celestial is a really old-timey slur and 99% of the time it refers to space. It's just that when you look at the costume that Michael Gough is wearing and listen to the way he's talking it's clear that somebody is pulling a joke by having it mean that the Toymaker is both from the stars and Chinese.
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I just want to point out that it doesn't matter one tiny little bit if a person intended something to be racist when determining whether it is, in fact, racist.
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Yeah I learnt about this meaning of celestial only recently when discussing this story with a friend. Had no idea about it. Not good!
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thrawn527 posted:https://x.com/jetsam_shoes/status/1733574273875226646?s=46&t=_t3R3O4inwGCyXxW88QslQ Fifth Doctor cancelled the policy because otherwise he would have been obliged to teleport a K9 onto the bridge of that ship to die with Adric.
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Boy, that sure was an RTD-penned Doctor Who episode! In unrelated news, this thread has more pages now that the season 38 thread.
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I kinda like Ncuti Gatwa cartoonish almost Bugs Bunny like energy from when he wins the prize and I hope they continue with it.
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lines posted:I assume she meant 35 days leave rather than 5 weeks (28 days being the standard, which Google tells me is 5.6 working weeks).
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I loved it...until the bi-regeneration. Despite all its flaws, I really like Twice Upon a Twice for how it shows the bittersweet nature of regeneration (that and the Doctor/TARDIS relationship). Regeneration is about change, but it doesn't diminish what you liked about the previous actor, and ties a bow under their version of the character. It felt like it was RTD trying to have his cake and eat it. It feels like how "I don't want to go" undermined Smith for a lot of casual viewers, but on steroids. Regeneration keeps the Doctor going, but there's a price. It's a traumatic, uncertain and painful process most of the time, which is what gives it dramatic stakes. Also, the Doctor has had tons of breaks and time to rest? Half their off screen adventures are just them chilling.
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