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kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

ive got stephen fry's voice reading Mr Bears Christmas burned by repetition into my brain

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
If you're in or can get to London:

Camden Comedy Club 23rd & 24th December, two shows in aid of Medical Aid for Palestinians: £12.50

December 23rd:

https://dice.fm/event/lk3xr-medical-aid-for-palestinians-saturday-xmas-show-23rd-dec-camden-comedy-club-london-tickets

quote:

About 23rd
The first of two shows celebrating a humanitarian ‘Traditional Jewish Xmas Eve’ featuring line ups of UK Jewish and Palestinian and Middle Eastern Performers. All in aid of the charity Medical Aid for Palestinians.

Featuring tonight: Radio 4 poet Michael Rosen, UK Palestinian comedian Sami Abu Wardeh, Socialist magician Ian Saville and Assyrian comedian Jenan Younis. Ivor Dembina is the compere.

December 24th:

https://dice.fm/event/5p968-medical-aid-for-palestinians-sunday-xmas-show-24th-dec-camden-comedy-club-london-tickets

quote:

About 24th
The second of two shows celebrating a humanitarian ‘Traditional Jewish Xmas Eve’ featuring line ups of UK Jewish and Palestinian and Middle Eastern Performers. All in aid of the charity Medical Aid for Palestinians.

Tonight, a double header: Sami Abu Wardeh (The Guardian ****) presents extract from his new solo show ‘Merguez’ and Ivor Dembina presents his classic ‘Pick of the Fringe’ award winning comedy show ‘Old Jewish Jokes’

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

Apraxin posted:

worst quote from that streeting interview:



Move fast and break hips.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Endjinneer posted:

Move fast and break hips.

Holy poo poo lol

Wes is a loving danger, not that that's news to anyone ITT. Trying to paint it as the NHS just not being innovative enough, as if there's some kind of magic way to provide healthcare on the cheap they just haven't bothered implementing. And even if demanding they do more with less worked, we've already been underfunding it for ages, any possible efficiency gains have already been made!

I don't want the healthcare system to be overly worried about 'efficiency savigs'. I want them to be at the cutting edge of medical science and best practices, but that's not something that happens because a bold innovator is trying poo poo out in their private practice, that's how you get chiropractors. Actual modern advancement comes out of laboratories and university hospitals and so on. You know - expensive poo poo. The best a regular GP's office or even ordinary hospital can do is cut back on staff and pay, provide fewer services at lower quality, and try loving around with the bureaucratic side of things because they are desperate and are promised a computer or booking system that will save them time. Whereas what the great majority of healthcare requires is the application of steady, unglamorous best practices, in anything from the org charts to the oncology department. Outside of the research branch they should be using established methods, because whatever savings are to be had come from the efficiency of scale.

In short Wes is a briefcase wanker and Tory Boy who needs to wind his neck in

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Talking of briefcase wankers (of the ham kind):

https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1733905619696976074

e:

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Dec 10, 2023

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Pigfkr can fk off. Hamsa Yousaf has actual relatives in Gaza. If any other minister had relations in any other country being obliterated by a heavily armed, violent, aggressive attacker, they would be applauded for talking about it.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

smellmycheese posted:

Whither the Banhammer? The Lord Owl feareth to wield it

I'm not a mod round these parts!

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Found some more briefcase wankers

https://twitter.com/JackLubner/status/1733818908732235880

This is Labour now.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

fuctifino posted:

Found some more briefcase wankers

https://twitter.com/JackLubner/status/1733818908732235880

This is Labour now.

this is just the same person from three different angles

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Ms Adequate posted:

Outside of the research branch they should be using established methods, because whatever savings are to be had come from the efficiency of scale.
There is some good innovation you could do at the GP/pharmacy level in terms of outreach. Like with the idea that the public health bodies should be determining the 'what' as in what interventions work at the public level, local pharmacies and clinics may know how to communicate that to their community better than some Whitehall SPAD, so would be better at the 'how'.

That's been brought up during Covid with vaccination rates across various communities and how literally anything would have been better than the mess of central government advice.

Then there's the complete opposite end where regional health doesn't trust local clinics, and so gives them a limited number of oncology, cardiology, etc. referrals to stop them 'wasting' them, and so encourage GPs to 'innovate' how many people are actually ill.

I can guess which way 'tough love' Wes leans.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Lol it took me a while to realise that one of these is actually an MP loving lmao

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Pork Pie Hat posted:

I can’t believe that I nearly upset the delicate feelings of Jess Phillips. Lucky you guys were here to stick up for her though. I bet she’ll be really pleased.



Pork Pie Hat posted:

No, but perhaps you’d like to reflect on how your touchy-feely, respect everyone’s feelings regardless of who they are and what they’ve done hippy bollocks has achieved absolutely nothing good in the last 13 years.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Pigfkr can fk off. Hamsa Yousaf has actual relatives in Gaza. If any other minister had relations in any other country being obliterated by a heavily armed, violent, aggressive attacker, they would be applauded for talking about it.

At least he's been slightly less awful than his predecessor on Palestine, with the UK abstaining on votes in the UN and the like. I think it's more that he isn't a fan of Erdogan.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Lol it took me a while to realise that one of these is actually an MP loving lmao

I'm pretty certain Jack is going to be selected as a candidate before the next election too.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
there is no bigger indictment of the current Labour Party than them gleefully talking about getting Tory voters to switch and not realising it’s because the two parties are essentially indistinguishable currently

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
we convinced some horrible old oval office to vote for our party aren't we great! :allears:

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

I moved not so long ago and while checking out my next MP found this nugget:


quote:

[Mike Freer] read accountancy and business law at the University of Stirling but did not graduate with a degree.

Freer worked for a number of fast-food chains, including Pizzaland, Pizza Hut and KFC, prior to a management career in the financial sector. Freer worked for Barclays Bank as an "Area Performance Manager".

quite the suspiciously meteoric career change trajectory

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

"Worked for fast food chains" could mean as a manager also.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
It's weird knowing about Piss Streaking from before he was an MP and he was just the NUS Labour leader and supported austerity and tuition fees.

As the late Dawn Foster said, he's always been a right wing Lick Spittle oval office.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1733952618051834261

lol

There's an archive.is link that bypasses the paywall https://archive.is/JhUMY

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

feel like pure poo poo just want him back

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008
I assume this is because he's the only one who could save them an election in their minds see also Trump.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The Boz comeback is on baby. And Farage is about to become King of the Jungle

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
this country is bad

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Angepain posted:

this country is bad

DON'T LIKE IT THERE'S THE DOOR

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Ah. He came third. The gammons will claim conspiracy

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
farage is a lib dem now

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

The PM doesn't even have to be a Lord. It would be hilarious if we get Boris back, but he's still banned from Parliamentary grounds and wouldn't be able to speak in either chamber if he was unbanned.

eleven extra elephants
Feb 16, 2007

Menschliches! Allzumenschliches!!

smellmycheese posted:

And Farage is about to become King of the Jungle

Keep seeing the last remaining people in the country still watching IAC talking about voting for him because it'll upset 'the lefties' and 'the government' :bighow:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Can't believe nigel farage would inspire people to vote nonsensically against abstract concepts they don't like.

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib
He's just got to do a few more laps and he'll have all his kids in the house of lords. What a dad.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

It was unsettling watching Nigel Farage - who is never not "on" politically but whose politics are themselves a kind of politics-denial - in a space which, due to its format and audience, has to stay blandly apolitical. It's supposed to be a gruelling ordeal of cockroaches and pig vaginas but in many ways it must have been an almost heavenly fantasy for him: TV cameras trained on his every interaction, with viewers ready to vote out anyone who dares do a Politics in his presence. Brexit being the right thing to do was a "point of view" that everyone was required to respect, and if you didn't, you got disappeared in 24 hours.

But of course the showrunners well knew all of this; that's why he was paid 1.5 million quid to be there in the first place

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Guavanaut posted:

There is some good innovation you could do at the GP/pharmacy level in terms of outreach. Like with the idea that the public health bodies should be determining the 'what' as in what interventions work at the public level, local pharmacies and clinics may know how to communicate that to their community better than some Whitehall SPAD, so would be better at the 'how'.

That's been brought up during Covid with vaccination rates across various communities and how literally anything would have been better than the mess of central government advice.

Then there's the complete opposite end where regional health doesn't trust local clinics, and so gives them a limited number of oncology, cardiology, etc. referrals to stop them 'wasting' them, and so encourage GPs to 'innovate' how many people are actually ill.

I can guess which way 'tough love' Wes leans.

This is fair and I shouldn't have said I want an absolute ban on them innovating because I don't, I'm just leery if it because... yeah that second one.

Imo they should use established best practices in terms of admin and bureaucracy as a baseline, and generally speaking let other sectors of society do the experimentation with new ideas (This is very weird for me to say because I am normally fully about progress, but when lives are quite literally on the line every day I'm slower to advocate for risktaking)and adopt them when they are shown to be worthwhile. But there would also need to be a recognition that there are areas unique to healthcare where they do need to be the ones doing the innovation.

I don't know exactly how you set that up. But fortunately I am just some tranny online and not the shadow minister for health.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Re: Farage

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1733972377594163483

https://twitter.com/GBNewsSpin/status/1733977562320080973

:toot:

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Dec 11, 2023

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Ms Adequate posted:

Imo they should use established best practices in terms of admin and bureaucracy as a baseline, and generally speaking let other sectors of society do the experimentation with new ideas (This is very weird for me to say because I am normally fully about progress, but when lives are quite literally on the line every day I'm slower to advocate for risktaking) and adopt them when they are shown to be worthwhile.
This would be lovely, however what will happen is clueless upper middle management will procure a bunch of terrible, useless geegaws that don't quite do what they need to, because the manufacturers reps took them out to a big dinner and baffled them.

This happened twice when I worked for the NHS - first time was the new biochem machine that didn't work, then after a month or so when it did work, wouldn't output the results correctly, and never interacted with the hospital's systems or carried out tests to UK standards.

Then we had the introduction of the Cerner/Fujitsu CRS platform, which on its day of introduction ordered 7 full blood spreads to be taken from a newborn (and the head of SCBU only spotted it because they were fresh on shift), and it kept breaking down and refusing to interact with anything.

In both cases the companies promised that the systems would be able to do all of the things that were stipulated as necessities of the departments. Then the second the procurement was over, the support was handled by 3rd parties who didn't know how anything worked and didn't have the authority to redesign it to make it do what was promised.

I think we managed to get rid of the biochem machine, but as far as i know RHCH Winchester is still using CRS because they weren't able to get out of the contract.

That's the kind of 'innovation' that Wes wants. Not actual streamlining and efficiency improvements, but people and departments cut. Not new technology that would actually help, but big flashy machines so he can go to conferences and fly out to America and feel like the biggest most important boy.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Bobby Deluxe posted:

This would be lovely, however what will happen is clueless upper middle management will procure a bunch of terrible, useless geegaws that don't quite do what they need to, because the manufacturers reps took them out to a big dinner and baffled them.

This happened twice when I worked for the NHS - first time was the new biochem machine that didn't work, then after a month or so when it did work, wouldn't output the results correctly, and never interacted with the hospital's systems or carried out tests to UK standards.

Then we had the introduction of the Cerner/Fujitsu CRS platform, which on its day of introduction ordered 7 full blood spreads to be taken from a newborn (and the head of SCBU only spotted it because they were fresh on shift), and it kept breaking down and refusing to interact with anything.

In both cases the companies promised that the systems would be able to do all of the things that were stipulated as necessities of the departments. Then the second the procurement was over, the support was handled by 3rd parties who didn't know how anything worked and didn't have the authority to redesign it to make it do what was promised.

I think we managed to get rid of the biochem machine, but as far as i know RHCH Winchester is still using CRS because they weren't able to get out of the contract.

That's the kind of 'innovation' that Wes wants. Not actual streamlining and efficiency improvements, but people and departments cut. Not new technology that would actually help, but big flashy machines so he can go to conferences and fly out to America and feel like the biggest most important boy.

hmmm. you say all this, but you can't even do an excel so i wonder if you're the best placed to judge.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Bobby Deluxe posted:

This would be lovely, however what will happen is clueless upper middle management will procure a bunch of terrible, useless geegaws that don't quite do what they need to, because the manufacturers reps took them out to a big dinner and baffled them.

This happened twice when I worked for the NHS - first time was the new biochem machine that didn't work, then after a month or so when it did work, wouldn't output the results correctly, and never interacted with the hospital's systems or carried out tests to UK standards.

Then we had the introduction of the Cerner/Fujitsu CRS platform, which on its day of introduction ordered 7 full blood spreads to be taken from a newborn (and the head of SCBU only spotted it because they were fresh on shift), and it kept breaking down and refusing to interact with anything.

In both cases the companies promised that the systems would be able to do all of the things that were stipulated as necessities of the departments. Then the second the procurement was over, the support was handled by 3rd parties who didn't know how anything worked and didn't have the authority to redesign it to make it do what was promised.

I think we managed to get rid of the biochem machine, but as far as i know RHCH Winchester is still using CRS because they weren't able to get out of the contract.

That's the kind of 'innovation' that Wes wants. Not actual streamlining and efficiency improvements, but people and departments cut. Not new technology that would actually help, but big flashy machines so he can go to conferences and fly out to America and feel like the biggest most important boy.

This explains Bad Blood and Elizabeth Holmes so well. The business practice of "If I just hold out for long enough, I'll become an established brand and then no-one will dare say that our product is just a box filled with tissue paper and dead wasps."

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Fujitsu seems to have a lucrative business model of selling absolute piles of poo poo to gullible organisations.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

smellmycheese posted:

Fujitsu seems to have a lucrative business model of selling absolute piles of poo poo to gullible organisations.

No, they sell printers to everyone.

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

lol my phone alerts told me about Farage coming third and apparently it's despite his supporters trying to rig it in his favour

apparently the on-site crew think he's the most tedious oval office in the show's history because he won't shut the gently caress up about politics and that's not allowed to be shown in bulk

anyway I'm glad that his winning personality won what it deserved: third place

all that poo poo-eating for nothing eh nige

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