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DamnGlitch posted:They’ve done a really poo poo job masking the new /old footage. Mega64 figured it out a decade ago: transfer your clean footage to vhs, then film the vhs playing with an hd camera. Easy peezy. At this point the problem is the other way around. They'd need to AI up-scale real life footage from 2003 to match the tech of the FAM 2003. The Republican politics dude who went down with the Korean air liner in the 80's was driving an electric car, Ed called him a girl over it and everything. And in 2003 MS messenger video calls did not look like the video conference the head of NASA had with the head of Roscosmos in FAM 2003, etc.
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Dec 11, 2023 08:27
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I wonder if they have literal children doing the video stuff for this show. All of the video calls Milosh does are vertical videos. As far as I can tell, they don't really seem to have smartphones yet, so I don't know why they would make videos that way. I wouldn't be surprised if that was all "filmed on iphone" bullshit. It kind of makes sense for the house tour facetime thing his baby momma is doing, but it makes zero sense for the videos that he makes (and the one Danielle attempts to make) to be vertical when they are using monitor mounted webcams. So if they have zoomers doing the video stuff for the show, it would make sense that they are making things vertical and have seemingly never heard of VHS when trying to make things seem old. But then when Goose is talking to the Russian space lady, it's a widescreen video. Things are all over the place in this show.
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In this universe the American spy apparatus must have really gone to poo poo for no one to have any idea that a former NASA director who is supposed to be dead is just walking around Roscosmos all day long. I like how to true to Elon form, this guy has decided to give up having everything in favor of never going outside again.
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Cojawfee posted:I wonder if they have literal children doing the video stuff for this show. All of the video calls Milosh does are vertical videos. As far as I can tell, they don't really seem to have smartphones yet, so I don't know why they would make videos that way. I wouldn't be surprised if that was all "filmed on iphone" bullshit. It kind of makes sense for the house tour facetime thing his baby momma is doing, but it makes zero sense for the videos that he makes (and the one Danielle attempts to make) to be vertical when they are using monitor mounted webcams. So if they have zoomers doing the video stuff for the show, it would make sense that they are making things vertical and have seemingly never heard of VHS when trying to make things seem old. But then when Goose is talking to the Russian space lady, it's a widescreen video. Things are all over the place in this show. Sometimes we see those dedicated video communicator devices, like the older Newton style one and this year’s Mac OS X looking one. They look like they’re vertically oriented if I recall, or at least square?
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Cojawfee posted:I wonder if they have literal children doing the video stuff for this show. All of the video calls Milosh does are vertical videos. As far as I can tell, they don't really seem to have smartphones yet, so I don't know why they would make videos that way. I wouldn't be surprised if that was all "filmed on iphone" bullshit. It kind of makes sense for the house tour facetime thing his baby momma is doing, but it makes zero sense for the videos that he makes (and the one Danielle attempts to make) to be vertical when they are using monitor mounted webcams. So if they have zoomers doing the video stuff for the show, it would make sense that they are making things vertical and have seemingly never heard of VHS when trying to make things seem old. But then when Goose is talking to the Russian space lady, it's a widescreen video. Things are all over the place in this show. All the zoomers would still be watching CatDog, and not ironically.
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Cojawfee posted:But then when Goose is talking to the Russian space lady, it's a widescreen video. Things are all over the place in this show. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has made this mistake but as I recently rewatched Home Alone it's important to note that in a different timeline, that Marv the Wet Bandit instead is rehabbed into running Chrysler, and then NASA.
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I think 'watch gore drop a loving rock' would be a good thread title
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Hed posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one who has made this mistake but as I recently rewatched Home Alone it's important to note that in a different timeline, that Marv the Wet Bandit instead is rehabbed into running Chrysler, and then NASA. Yesterday I watched the dumbass disaster action movie The Hurricane Heist with Toby Kebbell, and my friend said "It's Miles! I guess in the timeline where the US won the moon race he became a meteorologist."
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Hed posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one who has made this mistake but as I recently rewatched Home Alone it's important to note that in a different timeline, that Marv the Wet Bandit instead is rehabbed into running Chrysler, and then NASA. I don't even know why I made that mistake. I know he's Marv. Just a mental slip I guess. Goose was the crutch guy from ER.
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I'm confused about how a company can very openly sell smuggled mars samples to the public but the FBI has not launched an investigation
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GABA ghoul posted:I'm confused about how a company can very openly sell smuggled mars samples to the public but the FBI has not launched an investigation Yeah I found that a bit weird, along with how they're being adveritsed in the newspaper instead of quietly sold to some rich collector
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General Battuta posted:I think 'watch gore drop a loving rock' would be a good thread title Potential end of season drama? The Soviets try to sabotage the capture mission since they don't want their Iridium monopoly disrupted, this results in the asteroids trajectory being changed in a way that makes it cross Earth's orbit, and the race is on to fix that.
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Wafflecopper posted:Yeah I found that a bit weird, along with how they're being adveritsed in the newspaper instead of quietly sold to some rich collector And on the one newspaper page that Russian smuggler guy happens to see, too. It's all so very 
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Senor Tron posted:Potential end of season drama? The Soviets try to sabotage the capture mission since they don't want their Iridium monopoly disrupted, this results in the asteroids trajectory being changed in a way that makes it cross Earth's orbit, and the race is on to fix that. The best pilot in the solar system has a hand tremor and one opportunity to redeem himself by sacrificing his life
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GABA ghoul posted:I'm confused about how a company can very openly sell smuggled mars samples to the public but the FBI has not launched an investigation “Man this HVAC tech sure has a lot more scrip than we currently give him. Oh well, I’m sure it’s from a poker game or something.”
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:And on the one newspaper page that Russian smuggler guy happens to see, too. It's all so very I think maybe his partner on Earth might have sent that newspaper up for him to find.
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CubanMissile posted:“Man this HVAC tech sure has a lot more scrip than we currently give him. Oh well, I’m sure it’s from a poker game or something.” I don't understand why they even have this weird cash deposit system on the base in the first place. The only reason why you'd have such a system is to facilitate unsupervised trade on the base, so why would the secret bar even need to be secret? What else would they use the cash for? I know there was some throwaway line about how "some folks just like to be paid in cold hard cash" or whatever but it makes absolutely no sense. Do they ferry up bank notes from earth? Do they print them on base?
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It makes sense at least that his (ex-ish) wife can buy property etc back on Earth via the rock sales as presumably that’s not contained within the base economy but the rest of it is indeed, dumb.
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Sch posted:I don't understand why they even have this weird cash deposit system on the base in the first place. The only reason why you'd have such a system is to facilitate unsupervised trade on the base, so why would the secret bar even need to be secret? What else would they use the cash for? I know there was some throwaway line about how "some folks just like to be paid in cold hard cash" or whatever but it makes absolutely no sense. Do they ferry up bank notes from earth? Do they print them on base? Surely the secret bar is secret because it's intended to be a dry base -- or, if not, then the distribution of alcohol is intended to be heavily regulated. I don't quite understand how the bar can physically exist, unless the base was designed by HH Holmes or someone else who was into building entire secret compartments all over the place.
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Sch posted:I don't understand why they even have this weird cash deposit system on the base in the first place. The only reason why you'd have such a system is to facilitate unsupervised trade on the base, so why would the secret bar even need to be secret? What else would they use the cash for? I know there was some throwaway line about how "some folks just like to be paid in cold hard cash" or whatever but it makes absolutely no sense. Do they ferry up bank notes from earth? Do they print them on base? I don't think you can really avoid the emergence of some kind of currency on base once you reach a certain population size. People will always be trading things like food & clothes and once that trading economy becomes complex enough, bartering is just not gonna cut it anymore. Knowing this the company probably decided to provide the currency itself since that gives them more control and oversight than people using martian sea shells or bottle caps. e: now that I think about it, one of the very first uses for currency on a company town base like that is probably gonna be prostitution. Wherever we go, there we are GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Dec 12, 2023 |
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Rappaport posted:getting Big Love scrip They're called ayesos
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Does the smuggler dude even have a real base job other than tend the secret bar and smuggle? I’m only half invested in this so I may have missed it.
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GABA ghoul posted:I don't think you can really avoid the emergence of some kind of currency on base once you reach a certain population size. People will always be trading things like food & clothes and once that trading economy becomes complex enough, bartering is just not gonna cut it anymore. Knowing this the company probably decided to provide the currency itself since that gives them more control and oversight than people using martian sea shells or bottle caps. Man, this gets into a whole can of anthropological worms over the 'natural' economy of the human organism. There's been some compelling argument that very complex and robust economics existed before money, largely built on mutual solidarity and 'do me a favor, I'll owe you a favor' reciprocal obligation. Barter wasn't necessary because you didn't need to give X to get Y - people would just give you Y if you needed it, on the understanding that anyone in need would be helped and in exchange they'd pull their weight helping others. In this line of argument, money might have arisen as a way to quantify the size of favors and gifts - "I gave you a chicken, you need to help me out with at least a day's work before we're square" becomes "I gave you a favor worth 10, so you need to do at least 10 favor(s) for me or I'm gonna talk poo poo about you." But as people who've come from a capitalist society and who live in a company town worrying about money, yeah you're probably right.
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latinotwink1997 posted:Does the smuggler dude even have a real base job other than tend the secret bar and smuggle? I’m only half invested in this so I may have missed it. He's a miner who was shifted over to repair work after the asteroid project was frozen.
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Just popping in to say I'm trying this show out again. First time I got through the first two episodes and felt a bit bored but the concept of the show is really interesting to me, so I gave it a try again. Three episodes in and I'm definitely getting more into it this time. I thought the fake out at the end of episode 3 was really well done and kept me guessing until the very end. I'll stay out of the thread until I catch up!
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I'm hoping that they expand on it a bit, but it's not entire clear what is and isn't being allowed. The bar itself is secretive but that doesn't mean it's illegal so to speak. They might be brewing their own alcohol because the cost to "officially" import it is ridiculously high. The importing of goods and services is being done on the down low, but they're going right around the base to the extent it feels impossible management aren't at the least aware of the black market. The way they're actually smuggling it in is so ludicrous someone somewhere is either getting paid off or is happy to let them do it for the morale of the base. On the other end is selling Mars rocks illegal? Miles pretty immediately asks people if he can send the rocks back home and goes out to find them without really having to be secretive. I dunno, it all feels a bit grey market-ish. The management know it's going on but as long as the workers are happy and doing their work, then they let it slide. I have no doubt at some point someone is going to put a stop to it (either Danni or Dev) which will cause ~drama~. There's probably also a parallel to the Soviet Union black markets going on.
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It's not that big a place, I assume command is aware the bar exists but everyone's just looking the other way because of course someone's going to set up a Mars bar and this one isn't causing any trouble. Wouldn't surprise me if Ed and Ilya had explicitly come to an agreement about it at some point.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not that big a place, I assume command is aware the bar exists but everyone's just looking the other way because of course someone's going to set up a Mars bar and this one isn't causing any trouble. Wouldn't surprise me if Ed and Ilya had explicitly come to an agreement about it at some point. Idk, when Ed was talking about hiding his girlfriend to Dani, I think he said they could hide her in that area that isn’t complete, which is where I think that bar is.
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CubanMissile posted:Idk, when Ed was talking about hiding his girlfriend to Dani, I think he said they could hide her in that area that isn’t complete, which is where I think that bar is. Nah Ed said the 4th level wasn't finished but was pressurized, I don't think it's down there. Probably on 3 with the rest of the Mars mole people.
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I assume if he had a deal worked out with the bar then the Ferengi dude would be in the weed business as well.
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EvilHawk posted:I'm hoping that they expand on it a bit, but it's not entire clear what is and isn't being allowed. The bar itself is secretive but that doesn't mean it's illegal so to speak. They might be brewing their own alcohol because the cost to "officially" import it is ridiculously high. The importing of goods and services is being done on the down low, but they're going right around the base to the extent it feels impossible management aren't at the least aware of the black market. The way they're actually smuggling it in is so ludicrous someone somewhere is either getting paid off or is happy to let them do it for the morale of the base. On the other end is selling Mars rocks illegal? Miles pretty immediately asks people if he can send the rocks back home and goes out to find them without really having to be secretive. Yeah I find the grey market stuff interesting but kind of on the edge of believability. Like, why does anyone need to order deodorant through this? I understand the porn order, but personal items like that should be available for order with the Marsbucks everyone's gathering anyway. I guess maybe the catalog only has select items and won't have the brand you like or whatever. The bar I guess is an open secret since Dani can wander around there and there wasn't any scurry to cover it up. I mean, it's a place full of technicians and piping, a still is inevitable. Still don't know how you can smuggle anything out where every spare kilo can be noticed. $5000 is not enough money for a genuine Mars rock and that they didn't try to push it shows that Mile's wife is just as much as a chump and he is and they do not have the lobes to profit from this or any other scheme. Also even entertaining the human smuggling request was loving ridiculous, as well when when guy tries to retaliate because the guy selling porn and hooch couldn't arrange two human smuggling operations from North Korea and another planet.
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None of it makes any sense at all, but the show is still watchable by virtue of Gordo’s failsons not being in it. I’d like to see how Grandma reacts to Kelly just deciding to put her kid in one of the most dangerous living situations imaginable.
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They have to have an insane subplot in each season and the idea that you could smuggle someone's wife out of North Korea and to Mars without anyone noticing is the one they're going with this time. It's better than some of the ones they've done before.
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I assume everything they can buy is just generic Helios brand garbage from the company store. You've seen the quality of food they have to pay for, the deodorant they can buy probably doesn't even work, or it probably smells terrible. So people are willing to go on the black market to get something good. And if they are at the point where people can just take a vacation to the moon, they are probably to the point where they aren't accounting for every gram that is taken. As long as you are within your weight budget, it's probably fine. I'm not sure where these people get the money for it though. Unless this is somehow cheaper than what Helios makes them buy. Unless it's all from poker winnings and there are people who just have nothing because they lose all their money in poker games. Maybe everyone is just selling things to the rich astronauts and cosmonauts.
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Cojawfee posted:I assume everything they can buy is just generic Helios brand garbage from the company store. You've seen the quality of food they have to pay for, the deodorant they can buy probably doesn't even work, or it probably smells terrible. So people are willing to go on the black market to get something good. And if they are at the point where people can just take a vacation to the moon, they are probably to the point where they aren't accounting for every gram that is taken. As long as you are within your weight budget, it's probably fine. I'm not sure where these people get the money for it though. Unless this is somehow cheaper than what Helios makes them buy. Unless it's all from poker winnings and there are people who just have nothing because they lose all their money in poker games. Maybe everyone is just selling things to the rich astronauts and cosmonauts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB82FNPoiPM
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