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zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.


solution: force the coast guard to crew navy ships

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Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry
while 2,500 sorties in nine weeks is still far less than the Navy’s old-school sortie generation testing goal of around 4,800 sorties over the course of thirty days, it isn’t half bad

A quarter of the required testing goal is in fact statistically worse than half bad.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

while 2,500 sorties in nine weeks is still far less than the Navy’s old-school sortie generation testing goal of around 4,800 sorties over the course of thirty days, it isn’t half bad

A quarter of the required testing goal is in fact statistically worse than half bad.

Don't worry. The target audience is only tangentially aware of what "math" means, apart from that nasty Mr / Mrs Smith who made them do sums in second grade.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

while 2,500 sorties in nine weeks is still far less than the Navy’s old-school sortie generation testing goal of around 4,800 sorties over the course of thirty days, it isn’t half bad

A quarter of the required testing goal is in fact statistically worse than half bad.

So you agree that it isn't half bad.

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
How are young people in America even being sold on recruitment nowadays besides the military helping out with debt/tuition and whatnot?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Sancho Banana posted:

How are young people in America even being sold on recruitment nowadays besides the military helping out with debt/tuition and whatnot?

Call of Duty! Join up kids, it's just like that!

Welcome recruit, here are your boots, your ghost face mask and the mop you'll be using to clean the shitters for the next 2 years.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

my nephew a few years back said recruiters came by his high school in Oklahoma constantly doing a macho pitch about are you a bad enough dude to join up and get a lovely mos.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Sancho Banana posted:

How are young people in America even being sold on recruitment nowadays besides the military helping out with debt/tuition and whatnot?

you think an immoral capitalist army would be very familiar about what drives people to join them but lol

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Cookie Cutter posted:

Basically yeah. We have a QRF North with 2x Typhoons, a QRF South with 2x Typhoons and a QRF Falkland, and that's our whole complement to deal with unforeseen air threats. Mostly they just scramble to intercept private pilots whose transponders have died. Nothing else is even kept armed, unless they are going to the training range.


The typical British person would poo poo themselves if they had any idea just how wide open the country is to attack. $58 billion spent on the military this year and our airspace is defended by 5 loving planes lol.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Palladium posted:

you think an immoral capitalist army would be very familiar about what drives people to join them but lol

Why solve the problem when there is good profit in selling the palliative?

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

DancingShade posted:

Those fools! Only bespoke proprietary GPS painted green will do!

With vintage style knobs and everything. Ideally cross branded in a collab with Gucci.

Civilian GPS is less accurate than military on purpose, pretty much to prevent exactly this from happening and to prevent people from taking apart a Garmin or phone and using the GPS chip in a cruise missile.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Also, the Ford is making on average 63 stories a day, but statistically speaking only around 65% of them are F-18s, which is around 40 stories a day. That doesn't really seem like an extreme amount to be honest if they are preparing for an immediate combat situation.

Maybe there is a reason the US has been surprisingly soft on Hezbollah.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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skooma512 posted:

Civilian GPS is less accurate than military on purpose, pretty much to prevent exactly this from happening and to prevent people from taking apart a Garmin or phone and using the GPS chip in a cruise missile.

unless im missing out on some TOP ALIENS SECRET poo poo, that hasnt been true since 2000 when selective availability has been disabled. Even less of an argument now when there's global Beidou that is more accurate anyway for civilian

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Sancho Banana posted:

How are young people in America even being sold on recruitment nowadays besides the military helping out with debt/tuition and whatnot?

I dunno maybe it’s changed since the days of early aughts but it was that, plus supposed skills for a civilian career, and just bombarding kids with recruiters. when I was in high school recruiters would loving call our house several times a year and they hounded anyone under 25 at the mall, etc to join up outside of them being to bug you at school wherever they wanted

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Palladium posted:

unless im missing out on some TOP ALIENS SECRET poo poo, that hasnt been true since 2000 when selective availability has been disabled. Even less of an argument now when there's global Beidou that is more accurate anyway for civilian

It's been a while since I looked into it but I'm pretty sure there's still military band.

Idk.


Raskolnikov38 posted:

I dunno maybe it’s changed since the days of early aughts but it was that, plus supposed skills for a civilian career, and just bombarding kids with recruiters. when I was in high school recruiters would loving call our house several times a year and they hounded anyone under 25 at the mall, etc to join up outside of them being to bug you at school wherever they wanted

Fukuyama, of all people, predicted that the ability of liberal states to recruit people would collapse:

"On the level of the largest association, the country itself, lib­eral principles can be destructive of the highest forms of patriotism which are necessary for the very survival of the community. For it is a widely recognized defect of Anglo-Saxon liberal theory that men would never die for a country based merely on the principle of rational self-preservation. The argument that men would risk their lives to protect ·their property or their families ultimately fails, for property exists by liberal theory only for the sake of self-preservation, and not the other way around. It would always be possible to leave the country with one's family and money, or to evade the draft. The fact that citizens of liberal countries do not all seek to evade military service reflects the fact that they are motivated by factors like pride and honor. And pride, as we know, was precisely the characteristic that had to be subdued by the mighty Leviathan constituted by the liberal state."

Western militaries, particularly since the GWOT, particularly since it ended in defeat, don't offer material benefits, and definitely don't offer pride and honour.

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

Frosted Flake posted:

Fukuyama, of all people, predicted that the ability of liberal states to recruit people would collapse:

"On the level of the largest association, the country itself, lib­eral principles can be destructive of the highest forms of patriotism which are necessary for the very survival of the community. For it is a widely recognized defect of Anglo-Saxon liberal theory that men would never die for a country based merely on the principle of rational self-preservation. The argument that men would risk their lives to protect ·their property or their families ultimately fails, for property exists by liberal theory only for the sake of self-preservation, and not the other way around. It would always be possible to leave the country with one's family and money, or to evade the draft. The fact that citizens of liberal countries do not all seek to evade military service reflects the fact that they are motivated by factors like pride and honor. And pride, as we know, was precisely the characteristic that had to be subdued by the mighty Leviathan constituted by the liberal state."

Western militaries, particularly since the GWOT, particularly since it ended in defeat, don't offer material benefits, and definitely don't offer pride and honour.

The War on Terror is kinda where I was steering with the question, since the memories of Iraq, Afghanistan and the lies leading up to it all should still be fresh, so it's tough for me to imagine the average American zoomer being anything but dismissive about the role of the army and enthusiastic patriotism in general, nevermind the idea of enlisting themselves unless they badly need someone to pay off their student loans. I suppose if you're only looking for computer touchers and someone to guard a military base in Korea than that kind of crowd should be enough, but what about honest-to-god combatants? People who go out and die in a glorious battle? Jimmy, who enlisted during peacetime because he was in debt and didn't know that WW3 was about to break out isn't gonna have a lot of fighting morale.

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

while 2,500 sorties in nine weeks is still far less than the Navy’s old-school sortie generation testing goal of around 4,800 sorties over the course of thirty days, it isn’t half bad

A quarter of the required testing goal is in fact statistically worse than half bad.

I would try to be optimistic and say its almost half good

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Pistol_Pete posted:

The typical British person would poo poo themselves if they had any idea just how wide open the country is to attack. $58 billion spent on the military this year and our airspace is defended by 5 loving planes lol.

attack from who? ireland?

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001
Both the Americans and Chinese just launched their space spy planes at about the same time. Probably coincidence, but pretty interesting. Hope we get a space dogfight.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/x-37-launch-delayed-saltzman-future/

Photo from the China launch is a Photoshop as there are no official images released.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1734617114445529565?s=20

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

fart simpson posted:

attack from who? ireland?

The French you fool!

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Both the Americans and Chinese just launched their space spy planes at about the same time. Probably coincidence, but pretty interesting. Hope we get a space dogfight.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/x-37-launch-delayed-saltzman-future/

Photo from the China launch is a Photoshop as there are no official images released.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1734617114445529565?s=20

The commander of the US Space Force says it is probably not a coincidence. https://www.airandspaceforces.com/x-37-launch-delayed-saltzman-future/

quote:

“It’s no surprise that the Chinese are extremely interested in our space plane. We’re extremely interested in theirs,” he said. “Because it is a capability; the ability to put something in orbit, do some things, and bring it home and take a look at the results is powerful. And so these are two of the most watched objects on orbit while they’re on orbit. It’s probably no coincidence that they’re trying to match us in timing and sequence of this.”

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
it would be funny if it was another buran situation

"the americans must be doing this idiotic spaceplace for a reason, copy them"

*launches the copy once*

"THIS poo poo SUCKS WTF AMERICA"

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I think China has already done that kind of thing several times tbh

They already have skeletal army ATV's and SPG's on wheeled mounts

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Frosted Flake posted:

Fukuyama, of all people, predicted that the ability of liberal states to recruit people would collapse:

"On the level of the largest association, the country itself, lib­eral principles can be destructive of the highest forms of patriotism which are necessary for the very survival of the community. For it is a widely recognized defect of Anglo-Saxon liberal theory that men would never die for a country based merely on the principle of rational self-preservation. The argument that men would risk their lives to protect ·their property or their families ultimately fails, for property exists by liberal theory only for the sake of self-preservation, and not the other way around. It would always be possible to leave the country with one's family and money, or to evade the draft. The fact that citizens of liberal countries do not all seek to evade military service reflects the fact that they are motivated by factors like pride and honor. And pride, as we know, was precisely the characteristic that had to be subdued by the mighty Leviathan constituted by the liberal state."

Western militaries, particularly since the GWOT, particularly since it ended in defeat, don't offer material benefits, and definitely don't offer pride and honour.

Points well made.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Slavvy posted:

I think China has already done that kind of thing several times tbh

They already have skeletal army ATV's and SPG's on wheeled mounts

We've already seen how Raytheon hit the panic button at the idea of losing China's manufacturing for key aspects of their products. Maybe China isn't even copying so much as just using the exact same tooling in the exact same factory.

Though I'm sure some parts are still made locally in The West. Some. Surely. The fuzzy dice dangling from the mirror? No? Ah.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Raskolnikov38 posted:

it would be funny if it was another buran situation

"the americans must be doing this idiotic spaceplace for a reason, copy them"

*launches the copy once*

"THIS poo poo SUCKS WTF AMERICA"

Well they haven't copied the starship yet.

However there is testing of reusable rockets from Chinese civilian rocket startup, potentially to get some launch missions for the Chinese version of Starlink. I am sure the western media will give it a racist name, like BambooLink or SocialCreditLink or something.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

fart simpson posted:

attack from who? ireland?

The perfidious French.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

fart simpson posted:

attack from who? ireland?

Irish Unification od 2024, WILL HAPPEN

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Frosted Flake posted:

It's been a while since I looked into it but I'm pretty sure there's still military band.

Idk.

Fukuyama, of all people, predicted that the ability of liberal states to recruit people would collapse:

"On the level of the largest association, the country itself, lib­eral principles can be destructive of the highest forms of patriotism which are necessary for the very survival of the community. For it is a widely recognized defect of Anglo-Saxon liberal theory that men would never die for a country based merely on the principle of rational self-preservation. The argument that men would risk their lives to protect ·their property or their families ultimately fails, for property exists by liberal theory only for the sake of self-preservation, and not the other way around. It would always be possible to leave the country with one's family and money, or to evade the draft. The fact that citizens of liberal countries do not all seek to evade military service reflects the fact that they are motivated by factors like pride and honor. And pride, as we know, was precisely the characteristic that had to be subdued by the mighty Leviathan constituted by the liberal state."

Western militaries, particularly since the GWOT, particularly since it ended in defeat, don't offer material benefits, and definitely don't offer pride and honour.

wait... what was his response to this issue?

RubberJohnny
Apr 22, 2008
https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1735037353217962240

How!
Oct 29, 2009

Regarde Aduck posted:

wait... what was his response to this issue?

have lots of wars to maintain our test count or something like that

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
a new movie with the plot of waterworld, but the tanker is super radioactive too

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

An embargo or perhaps they realize something about the implications of all that science saying we should really quit fossil fuels by around 2050 for the way we ought to structure our societies. I reckon it is unimaginable for a liberal to be able to plan 30 years into the future though.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

When we do electric things it's good and stuff.

When they do electric things it's bad and stuff.

Electric stuff in china but at what cost?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

first of all, lol @ the idea that the west could force some kinda oil embargo on china

second of all, maybe this is just the sole industrial superpower of the world flexing its technological muscle and westoids getting extremely pissy about that?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
The Chinese century (who knows, maybe one of many) started like 10 years ago and it's going to take another 50 for anyone in the West to suggest that maybe it did lol.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
burgerfolk should be sent on a forced field trip to Shenzhen or some other big newish city for a month so they can understand deep down how they are savages squatting in the ruins of a half-dead culture.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

uber_stoat posted:

burgerfolk should be sent on a forced field trip to Shenzhen or some other big newish city for a month so they can understand deep down how they are savages squatting in the ruins of a half-dead culture.

Wanna be a savage in an outfit made from leather and car tires, raiding the ruins of prewar buildings for tins of beans and corned beef. Probably not such a bad life, sitting round the campfire in the evenings.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

uber_stoat posted:

burgerfolk should be sent on a forced field trip to Shenzhen or some other big newish city for a month so they can understand deep down how they are savages squatting in the ruins of a half-dead culture.

and then what?

What do you want anyone to do about it?

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Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Cerebral Bore posted:

first of all, lol @ the idea that the west could force some kinda oil embargo on china

second of all, maybe this is just the sole industrial superpower of the world flexing its technological muscle and westoids getting extremely pissy about that?

bowtie spinning: they only produced an entire france of energy from new renewables alone this year, extremely inconsequential for future insights

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