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Kanos posted:This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "no one's heard of this IP, so we can't make games in the IP, ensuring no one's ever heard of it". It also ignores that the Battletech fans that do exist are huge evangelists, a basis for word of mouth that would not exist for a fresh IP. Quoting because i agree
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A big stompy robot game came out recently and sold really well despite having an even more niche IP.
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Nov 29, 2023 15:25
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AC is extremely not stompy robot gaming, man, come on. That's mecha and you know that's a whole different can of worms
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Nov 29, 2023 15:32
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I guess you could Ship of Theseus a non-ES mech into one.
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Kanos posted:This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "no one's heard of this IP, so we can't make games in the IP, ensuring no one's ever heard of it". It also ignores that the Battletech fans that do exist are huge evangelists, a basis for word of mouth that would not exist for a fresh IP. Agreed. Reminder that Mechwarrior was a big thing back in the Y2K times. They used to hand out MW2 with AOL trial discs. They included trailers for MW2 Mercs in the "welcome" discs packaged with IBM towers. There was a lot of press around new graphics cards being able to support Mechwarrior games. It was on the top shelf at Best Buy and poo poo. The simple fact is that PGI et al just doesn't know what they're loving doing in terms of marketing and games as a business.
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Nov 29, 2023 16:05
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My pessimism is rooted in the opinion that geeks overestimate the actual popularity of many of their interests. Almost everything that isn't pushed to the point of being inescapable never makes it into the zeitgeist.
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Nov 29, 2023 16:12
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Also, executives are generally morons who would sooner burn money trying to chase whatever trend-of-the-day genre is getting all the attention than capturing underserved markets.
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Nov 29, 2023 16:25
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Battletech has enough of a fan base to make smaller scale games quite profitable, but it's a mature fan base that's not liable to suddenly grow by orders of magnitude so it'll never pull AAA bonanza millions. That's the kiss of death for executives dreaming of giant ever increasing profits.
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Nov 29, 2023 17:28
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Disagree there too, zoomers and millenials love board games the more needlessly complicated the better. Also look at AC6. You can get normies super excited about a dead franchise as long as the developers earned their cred. It really is just that Russ is the Denethor of Battletech.
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Marx Headroom posted:Russ is the Denethor of Battletech New thread title pls mods
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Marx Headroom posted:Agreed. Reminder that Mechwarrior was a big thing back in the Y2K times. They used to hand out MW2 with AOL trial discs. They included trailers for MW2 Mercs in the "welcome" discs packaged with IBM towers. There was a lot of press around new graphics cards being able to support Mechwarrior games. It was on the top shelf at Best Buy and poo poo. Our family computer came with MW2 bundled and then the upgraded version later on came with Mercs.
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toasterwarrior posted:AC is extremely not stompy robot gaming, man, come on. That's mecha and you know that's a whole different can of worms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHbDbPydZ4 Star Man posted:My pessimism is rooted in the opinion that geeks overestimate the actual popularity of many of their interests. Almost everything that isn't pushed to the point of being inescapable never makes it into the zeitgeist. This isn't an unproven thing shot in the dark, though. We have multiple Battletech IP games released in the last five years that have solid quite well within their niche. MW5 is an exceedingly mediocre game but it still sold well enough that they're still pushing out expansions for it. Again, Battletech IP will probably never draw Biggest Game Ever numbers, but most games never will and can still be considered successes.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:31
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I gotta respect the bit
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Chronojam posted:Our family computer came with MW2 bundled and then the upgraded version later on came with Mercs. Your family had more money than mine lol. I had to make do with the Welcome to IBM Aptiva disk featuring the Mercs trailer and clips from a Phill Collins music video. My friend up the street did get Mercs bundled with their computer like you though! Like can you imagine Alienware advertising their laptops with Mechwarrior 5? SA Mart threads selling extra MW5 keys that came with their graphics card? This kind of stuff actually happened with Mechwarrior! That's why grogs look back at MW2 days so fondly: it was a phenomenon. You, your cool techie uncle, and the kids up the street were all playing mechs. Nobody at Activision was like "well this is a niche franchise we can't expect too many sales." It's just a huge bummer that even the fans are feeling this way now.
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Decided to revisit MechWarrior 5 and got it for a buddy to do coop. I'm doing my part!
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I keep looking at it and then I worry about having a negative experience compared to my rose tinted glasses of playing all other mech warriors from MW2 onwards.....
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You can get it like 30% of the way to an acceptable mw game if you put a bunch of mods on it. It's supposed to be more fun coop but i haven't tried that and i haven't played since an update broke most of my mods about 10 months back
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TentPegg posted:I keep looking at it and then I worry about having a negative experience compared to my rose tinted glasses of playing all other mech warriors from MW2 onwards..... It's an okay play if you can get it on a deep sale. It's not remotely as good as the older games, but if you mod it up you can get a couple dozen hours of stompy shooty robot gameplay out of it, especially if you've got some friends playing it. It's bad because it's a deeply flawed and disappointing entry in a series of generally extremely well regarded games rather than because it's a completely unplayable mess. Basically a 5 or 6/10 game in a series of 8 or 9/10s.
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Dec 5, 2023 21:01
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So I didn't mean that the Battletech IP is particularly well known, what I mean is that it is a fully fleshed out IP that is already proven to be engaging with audiences; the setting, the fictional history and politics, the nature of warfare etc. And then there's a whole load of mech designs (most obviously the Madcat) that are extremely iconic and look loving cool. All that stuff is literally decades of work of IP that's being left on the shelf.
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Dec 5, 2023 21:22
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Stravag posted:You can get it like 30% of the way to an acceptable mw game if you put a bunch of mods on it. It's supposed to be more fun coop but i haven't find that and i haven't played since an update broke most of my mods about 10 months back
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Alchenar posted:So I didn't mean that the Battletech IP is particularly well known, what I mean is that it is a fully fleshed out IP that is already proven to be engaging with audiences; the setting, the fictional history and politics, the nature of warfare etc. And then there's a whole load of mech designs (most obviously the Madcat) that are extremely iconic and look loving cool. It's a nice little IP. But it's owned by MS, who just spent $60 billion on Call of Duty. That's the scale they care about. They'll listen to offers, especially if it leads to more fodder for XBGP. But they aren't paying attention to it. For other publishers, whether another mega-AAA or a mid-major like Paradox, licensing it from MS is not really an attractive deal. You have to pay MS for it, but that's not the biggest drawback. It's that you're investing in a competitor's IP. You miss out on a lot of value. If you make a hit game with Battletech you get to say "we sold 10 million copies and made $15 million profit on our game". If you make a hit game with your own IP you get to say things like "we made $10 million profit from Spaceballs The Video Game, which means Spaceballs The Franchise is now 69% more valuable according to GAAP, adding $10 million to our IP asset value." Then they go around saying "we increased valuation by $20 million" which makes the stock go up. So that leaves true indies, or maybe a small studio that MS happens to acquire. The pool of potential devs is pretty small. And that doesn't even cover how slow plodding mech cockpit sim isn't a genre I can see selling tons of copies in today's market, regardless of how good a game it is. You could make the best possible version of MW5 and it wouldn't sell as well as AC6. edit: all that said, Paradox were still dummies not to pay MS their 30 pieces of silver and do Battletech 2 if HBS was pitching that vs "unknown original pastiche IP". Klyith fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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AC was considered a turbo-niche franchise that was also dead until AC6 itself came out. The last Armored Core game before AC6 was Verdict Day, which came out 10 years ago. It turns out that a lot of IPs and genres are "dead" until someone takes them and makes a not lovely game with them. Remember when turn based strategy games and RPGs were "dead" because they were supposedly too slow and boring? Because that's happened several times, even going back to the late 90s. The Infinity Engine real time with pause concept was originally developed because there was a perception that turn based games were outmoded in 1998. Hell, we don't even need to guess to determine if people would buy a slow stompy robot game in 2023, because MW5 exists and is still selling well enough to warrant continued DLC expansions despite being a pretty mediocre game at best. Kanos fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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Kanos posted:AC was considered a turbo-niche franchise that was also dead until AC6 itself came out. The last Armored Core game before AC6 was Verdict Day, which came out 10 years ago. I find a lot of time that when a game franchise or genre is declared dead, the loudest voice reading the obituary out loud are the publishers themselves, desperately trying to convince everyone that it truly is dead simply because they're only making Some Of The Money instead of All Of The Money off it, because anything that isn't a Massive Blockbuster and shoe in for GotY is beneath their notice. And then without fail, when some indy developer gets a hold of the franchise/genre and makes a gigantic splash with it, they're left sitting there with a Shocked Pikachu face.
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drat that's a good gimmick I wonder what other stages you'd actually be able to complete in an Atlas Challenge Run
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Must be nice to be in a position Games Workshop is in where their IP's rights aren't split between two or more rights holders depending on the medium, let alone one that is the developer of the largest operating system platform in the world and a major video game home console platform.
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My saved game managed to break Battletech so hard that it crashes Steam whenever I try to load it.
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Your save file is lostech
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Updated BTA3062 and replaced all of my C3 units with C3i. HUGE improvement. A couple Stormcrow spotters can dash in and set up shots for my heavies. I found a WoB Streak SRM carrier with C3i and it is deadly in an urban map.
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PhotoKirk posted:Updated BTA3062 and replaced all of my C3 units with C3i. my last 3062 run was as Wobbies and C3i is crazy good. I kept a FS9-B pretty much the whole run as my spotter / back stabber. with not losing evasion and having the bonuses from the piloting line makes it basically impossible to hit
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Complications posted:Battletech has enough of a fan base to make smaller scale games quite profitable, but it's a mature fan base that's not liable to suddenly grow by orders of magnitude so it'll never pull AAA bonanza millions. That's the kiss of death for executives dreaming of giant ever increasing profits. There’s been a pretty large push of people sick of games workshop towards battletech. This is entirely anecdotal but our big gaming tournament place has started doing Battletech in the last year.
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c3i rules
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Rhymenoserous posted:There’s been a pretty large push of people sick of games workshop towards battletech. This is entirely anecdotal but our big gaming tournament place has started doing Battletech in the last year. Yeah I wouldn't call it a leading indicator, and maybe its selection bias, but I've played CBT with 3 people in the last year who explicitly wanted to try Battletech because Warhammer wasn't doing it for them. A big regional group popped up last year that does canned food drive tournaments and whatnot. It's funny to be at tables with one person who doesn't know what PPC stands for, sitting next to some dude with a Ral Partha Crusader.
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So today I learned there's a submod that goes with BEX that lets YOU choose where to drop your lance during missions... https://github.com/mcb5637/BTX_CAC_Compatibility/tree/v0.1.21.8
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So today I learned there's a submod that goes with BEX that lets YOU choose where to drop your lance during missions... oh hell yeah, guess it really is going to be a BEX run for 24. I haven't touched it in like 2 years. so there should be enough new stuff to chew through
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I know companies don't sell IPs unless they have to, but I do wonder what it would cost to buy the Shadowrun and Battletech licenses for PC games. Presuming it isn't in the hundreds of millions.
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BTA 3062 also has the ability to manually choose your drop zone, and it is required for a full 16 unit drop in urban maps because you will eventually spawn kill one of your units.
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:BTA 3062 also has the ability to manually choose your drop zone, and it is required for a full 16 unit drop in urban maps because you will eventually spawn kill one of your units. well ya and so does RT but I'm just happy BEX got it. all 3 projects have been going on for a long time and it's good they each have a niche
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evilmiera posted:I know companies don't sell IPs unless they have to, but I do wonder what it would cost to buy the Shadowrun and Battletech licenses for PC games. Presuming it isn't in the hundreds of millions. It would probably be lower eight figures. Microsoft hasn't taken advantage of the IP in years, and cash now vs. profits later is a big business bias.
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:oh hell yeah, guess it really is going to be a BEX run for 24. I haven't touched it in like 2 years. so there should be enough new stuff to chew through Just a heads up if you do want to use CAC, you'll need to delete the modtek folder that comes with BEX, and download modtek 4.1.0 from github https://github.com/BattletechModders/ModTek/releases/tag/v4.1.0. 4.1.0 goes directly into the BattleTech folder and not the Mods folder. As CAC wants the newer modtek, if you don't you won't get most of the CAC mods to work right. I'm not sure if you can still disable the newer BEX turrets in the newest version like you used to as well.
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Sorry for the double post but just a heads up, if you're going to update this game to 1.9.3.7 BEX + Bigger Drops + CAB AND CAC-C compatibility, you'll probably need to do a clean reinstall of everything, including the base game on Steam. Spent hours the other day trying to clean out the mod folder to reinstall everything and just ended up sweeping and restarting from scratch, stuff finally worked. To get CAC-C compatibility with BEX you will need Modtek 4.1.0 off of github, as CAC-C doesn't work with the modtek injector that bex automatically comes from. Also, I'm running this mod as well. https://discourse.modsinexile.com/t/the-big-deal-add-on-for-battletech-extended-3025-3061/631 It's got a comaptibilit with BEX + CAC-C, seems pretty cool, more flashpoint content is always good.
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