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Inspector_666 posted:I mean, sure, but then he signed an extension! The conventional wisdom was that he was looking for a top of the market deal (Trout money in other words) when he was negotiating with Boston in the winter of 2019. Boston made him an offer that was good, but not that, he said no thanks, and instead of making a counteroffer they traded him. Then Covid happened and due to the overall uncertainty that caused (would there be a 2020 season, what would the economics be etc etc), signed his extension with the Dodgers. If that's right or just a combination of cope and Red Sox FO misinfo, I dunno. I understand, but don't agree with, the Red Sox FO mindset that you do your damndest to avoid big money/long-term commitments to players because they're dreadfully inefficient. But I will say, it's pretty dang galling that Mookie wound up signing for what was basically Boston's reported offer with 2 years tacked on. Then again, the rotation was basically falling apart in 2019 and having Mookie would not have kept Chris Sale off that bicycle. Either way, the biggest sin was that they spent the saved money poorly.
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No I'm pretty sure their biggest sin was trading away a first ballot Hall of Famer in his prime.
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howe_sam posted:I understand, but don't agree with, the Red Sox FO mindset that you do your damndest to avoid big money/long-term commitments to players because they're dreadfully inefficient. But I will say, it's pretty dang galling that Mookie wound up signing for what was basically Boston's reported offer with 2 years tacked on. lol at Boston of all teams giving a poo poo about "inefficiency" They might be coming in last while paying $22 million a year to Trevor Story, but god forbid they be financially inefficient
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Eric the Mauve posted:No I'm pretty sure their biggest sin was trading away a first ballot Hall of Famer in his prime.
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I am reading The Dao of the Backup Catcher which is about journeyman catcher Erik Kratz and guys who were baseball gods figuring out that their role in the majors is just to get really good at catching and be good dudes in order to stick around. It's an interesting subject for a book and he interviews a ton of Guys and also talks to people like Theo Eastern about David Ross, but it's also not very well written in my opinion so it is hard to recommend, but I'm only about halfway through.
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R.D. Mangles posted:but it's also not very well written in my opinion Guess he needed to get better at framing 
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Bregor posted:Guess he needed to get better at framing 
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Bregor posted:Guess he needed to get better at framing Hahaha. It's by a guy named Tim Brown with Erik Kratz but it's sort of framed around him.
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bravesword posted:lol at Boston of all teams giving a poo poo about "inefficiency" The idea that you need to be financially efficient when paying at the top of the market only serves to make you miss out on the best players. Its dumb as hell. The Dodgers are financially efficient, but they also will pay for the guys they want and aren't loving around when they want that player.
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https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1737205768414228770 Even if they offered you the most money you'd have to be an absolute sicko to willingly commit multiple years of your finite playing career to Art Moreno's Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim right now.
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The Angels have some solid young guys and Trout and a new manager and Arte will almost certainly pass on within the next twenty years
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bees x1000 posted:The Angels have some solid young guys and Trout and a new manager and Arte will almost certainly pass on within the next twenty years If anybody's gonna offer Blake Snell a 20 year contract it's the Angels.
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R.D. Mangles posted:https://x.com/JesseRogersESPN/status/1737910581447795026?s=20 it's fine
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The artificial limitation on pitchers warming up in the bullpen makes no sense and if anything could result in injuries if guys aren't being told to warm up soon enough.
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R.D. Mangles posted:https://x.com/JesseRogersESPN/status/1737910581447795026?s=20 these are all kinda dumb
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The warmup one I don’t know what problem it solves but the rest seem fine. Also if you can pick where you get to work I’m pretty sure “hopefully the idiot running the company dies” disqualifies that company from the running.
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Popete posted:The artificial limitation on pitchers warming up in the bullpen makes no sense and if anything could result in injuries if guys aren't being told to warm up soon enough. I think it’s about pitchers warming up on the mound between innings, not getting up in the bullpen. I don’t know why they decided manager pitcher mind games bullshit is a problem that needed to be solved, but okay.
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Found the context elsewhere. It’s to limit the downtime from bringing in yet another pitcher after the original pitcher spent the time between innings warming up on the mound, which averaged an extra 3 minutes of commercial time. It’s rare enough that it’s a nothingburger either way.
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The runner lane rule is good in the sense that’s it’s objective and easily reviewable. And hey, if you’re willing to a take a 90 mph baseball to the back to help your team, then you deserve to inch closer to those contract incentives. Going from 20 seconds to 18 with runners on sounds like terminal spreadsheet brain, though.
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Well Played Mauer posted:Found the context elsewhere. It’s to limit the downtime from bringing in yet another pitcher after the original pitcher spent the time between innings warming up on the mound, which averaged an extra 3 minutes of commercial time. It’s rare enough that it’s a nothingburger either way. thanks for the context
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39161682/mlb-competition-committee-tinkering-pitch-runners-lanes This article’s got more info on the rule changes and the league’s reasoning. It’s all edge cases, pretty much. Pitchers averaged 13 seconds per pitch even with the 20-second timer, 98% of games used 4 or fewer mound visits (and they award you another one in the ninth anyway just in case). The runner’s lane to first disappearing is definitely in response to some bad umpire judgment calls on interference.
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Nodoze posted:There were a lot of rumors that Betts didn't want to stay in Boston and would have bolted at the end of the year. The trade was awful but it got them out of having to pay Price and give Betts a new contract, which is perfect for their current cheapskate mentality. So they will just justify it by saying Betts was going to leave anyway and they got to dump David Price he didn't want to stay in the northeast because they play that disgusting and weird candlepin bowling
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They’ll bitch and moan about this but cave on everything salary related. How they don’t have a labor lawyer running the union after 20 years of losing ground is beyond me.
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Well Played Mauer posted:Found the context elsewhere. It’s to limit the downtime from bringing in yet another pitcher after the original pitcher spent the time between innings warming up on the mound, which averaged an extra 3 minutes of commercial time. It’s rare enough that it’s a nothingburger either way. At least twice in the World Series, Lovullo sent up a pinch hitter to start an inning, and Bochy immediately replaced the pitcher before facing a batter that inning. Obviously it worked out for my team, but it was an annoying waste of time.
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So what happens if you have two relievers warming up before an inning? Do they have to play rock-paper-scissors for who goes out to face the lone batter?
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Sydin posted:So what happens if you have two relievers warming up before an inning? Do they have to play rock-paper-scissors for who goes out to face the lone batter? It's on-the-mound warmups only https://twitter.com/danieltkelley/status/1737919427897675793
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Sydin posted:So what happens if you have two relievers warming up before an inning? Do they have to play rock-paper-scissors for who goes out to face the lone batter? Its about the pitcher that is on the mound. Nothing to do with the pitcher in the pen.
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Poque posted:It's on-the-mound warmups only Oh okay that's way less dumb. n/m then I'm totally fine with this rule.
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Yeah the idea seems to be you can’t send your pitcher out to warm up just to buy more time for your reliever to warm up or play games with pinch hitters. Which I guess whatever. I didn’t know that was happening.
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R.D. Mangles posted:i am sorry to my white sox comrades, but the sox trading for shields and then him having just unleash an unholy run on some of the most dogshit pitching performances ever witnessed was so loving funny. lmao these are some position player pitching stats.
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The players will always vote no on any and all rules changes. If they had veto capability no rule would ever change.
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Cubs sign one (1) MLB player this off-season challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
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https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1737953177830330608 Eat complete poo poo dodgers
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1737953177830330608 Hahaha it's the plane redux at least someone actually steps up immediately and says bullshit.
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