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Endorph posted:hbomberguy recced a lot of morons so Yeah who were the morons
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Dec 26, 2023 04:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhgI-4NeSgY
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Dec 26, 2023 04:33
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Autisanal Cheese posted:Yeah who were the morons Like personally I've been mixed on Maggie Mae Fish's videos. Haven't watched enough that I'd call her a moron, but in half the videos I've watched, I feel like she's making logic leaps that she's hasn't properly backed up with supporting evidence or analysis. That video on T.S. Elliot in the recommended youtuber list was amusing though. If only to learn about Elliot's "I want to be shot with arrows over and over until I die" fetish. [This is based on my recollections from watching it 2 years ago.] If there's someone in the list that's James Somerton-levels of bad media analysis, outright lies, and/or theft I'd love to hear about it. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Dec 26, 2023 04:39
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Nuns with Guns posted:Which ones? that handmaiden video is one of the ones he specifically recommended as a counterpoint to somerton
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Dec 26, 2023 04:48
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Maggie may fish is an idiot. I watched her Zack Snyder one and I’ll never watch another one again. She has no media literacy and her idiocy spread to way too many people
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Dec 26, 2023 05:09
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Her saying that dawn of the dead was suggesting actually that gays and Arabs caused the zombie virus because the crazy loon tv preacher said it, and no one else gave another reason is the dumbest poo poo and makes me so mad she said that out loud and people actually take that as truth
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Dec 26, 2023 05:12
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Motto posted:that handmaiden video is one of the ones he specifically recommended as a counterpoint to somerton Was there an issue with that one beyond that people were concerned about the thumbnail?
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Dec 26, 2023 05:12
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CelticPredator posted:Her saying that dawn of the dead was suggesting actually that gays and Arabs caused the zombie virus because the crazy loon tv preacher said it, and no one else gave another reason is the dumbest poo poo and makes me so mad she said that out loud and people actually take that as truth lol
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Dec 26, 2023 05:13
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dawn of the gays
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Dec 26, 2023 05:13
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Also she’s a decedent of fuckin Albert fish lmao
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Dec 26, 2023 05:16
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Nuns with Guns posted:Was there an issue with that one beyond that people were concerned about the thumbnail? it was bad it completely misunderstands handmaidens ending for starters
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Dec 26, 2023 05:21
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CelticPredator posted:Also she’s a decedent of fuckin Albert fish lmao There's a nepo baby joke somewhere here
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Dec 26, 2023 05:22
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if you start from the premise that lesbian fiction is 'male gaze'y (male gaze being a term made up on youtube to yell about why tomb raider needed a reboot where lara croft dies via having her throat impaled by a rusty metal pipe) then you are going to be inherently suspicious of any display of lesbian sexuality. this is a terrible place to start from and mostly leads to 19 year olds getting psychosis when they date a girl with e-cups.
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Dec 26, 2023 05:23
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mycot posted:There's a nepo baby joke somewhere here It probably didn’t make it
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Dec 26, 2023 05:23
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also ive mentioned the hazel swordcraft story thing seventeen times but everytime i think about it it makes me madder. a company made a concentrated effort to include gay and gender stuff in all their games starting in freaking 98, died, and their eternal reward is a youtuber saying they did it on accident because she cant be assed to redo the first five minutes of the game with the male player character.
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Dec 26, 2023 05:24
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lgbt media matters, unless a youtuber decides you dont count
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Dec 26, 2023 05:25
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somerton, thievery and nazi fetish aside (which are not insubstantial things to put aside, to be clear), is not meaningfully distinct from the big LGBT youtubers hbomberguy rushed to applaud as 'the real alternatives.' the fundamental world view is shared across all of them. you can tell because somerton copied them word for word and nobody thought it seemed out of character for him specifically. the fundamental incuriosity, the rush to moral judgement, and the lack of primary sources are largely identical.
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Dec 26, 2023 05:27
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I mean if he was plagiarizing his bad takes it stands that they came from somewhere  And, I've repeated this a lot but so many people wouldn't have bought into these "obviously bad" takes if there wasn't an audience who was already inclined to believe what he was claiming. Somerton genuinely has a real talent for identifying this. CelticPredator posted:It probably didn’t make it mycot fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Dec 26, 2023 05:28
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Nuns with Guns posted:Which ones? I tried watching the recommended Shanspeare video about people souring on true crime and it starts with an absolutely excruciating five minute long skit of thinking your therapist is a secret murderer that’s only got one joke and it’s already spent after 10 seconds The lady Emily video about Harley Quinn and poison ivy was good though
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Dec 26, 2023 05:31
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Endorph posted:if you start from the premise that lesbian fiction is 'male gaze'y (male gaze being a term made up on youtube to yell about why tomb raider needed a reboot where lara croft dies via having her throat impaled by a rusty metal pipe) then you are going to be inherently suspicious of any display of lesbian sexuality. this is a terrible place to start from and mostly leads to 19 year olds getting psychosis when they date a girl with e-cups. Male gaze isn't a term made up on youtube. It's just something people misuse constantly like the Bechdel Test. I was watching watching that video and the other one with the Heartstopper character on it and they both seem fine? They were praising The Handmaiden, but said maybe it wasn't completely free of objectifying the female characters? I haven't watched The Handmaiden, but knowing there's an interesting additional adaption of Fingersmith is cool so I'll have to watch it. She doesn't sound suspicious of lesbian sexuality to me. Her videos also constantly cite primary sources. Like this interview where the Handmaiden's director talks about how he considered the male gaze while creating the series: https://thefilmstage.com/park-chan-wook-talks-the-handmaiden-male-gaze-queer-influence-and-remaking-a-spike-lee-film/
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Dec 26, 2023 05:31
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Nuns with Guns posted:Male gaze isn't a term made up on youtube. It's just something people misuse constantly like the Bechdel Test.
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Dec 26, 2023 05:34
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lol fair enoughArivia posted:I tried watching the recommended Shanspeare video about people souring on true crime and it starts with an absolutely excruciating five minute long skit of thinking your therapist is a secret murderer that’s only got one joke and it’s already spent after 10 seconds I remember posting that one here when it came out to recc it, but I would totally be for twin playlists that separate out excruciating theater kid skits from people who can restrain themselves to, at most, twee costumes and lighting. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Dec 26, 2023 05:35
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I never understood what the draw was to Maggie Mae fish and assumed the channel rode entirely on a good outfit game. Everytime I watched it, it just felt boring
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Dec 26, 2023 05:39
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Here's the thing though, the perfect Youtuber with the perfect opinions and perfect politics who never ever said anything bad doesn't exist. The absolute smartest people you've ever heard of is still always going to have said or done some cringey poo poo at some point. I think Hbomb putting out that rec list is really awesome and has certainly presented me with a handy to-watch list to spend my time on, but it's a mistake to be searching for the next great big queer opinion-haver with the purest of thoughts that you should always take without any grains of salt. Putting internet personalities on those kinds of pedestals is how we end up getting the next Lindsey Ellis, or whoever.
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Dec 26, 2023 05:41
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Alexander Avila was on hbomb's reclist and he's great. Really enjoyed "TikTok gave me autism". Lots of great citation and synthesis and research from a young perspective on a very ... Complicated social trend.
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Dec 26, 2023 05:43
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BrianWilly posted:Here's the thing though, the perfect Youtuber with the perfect opinions and perfect politics who never ever said anything bad doesn't exist. The absolute smartest people you've ever heard of is still always going to have said or done some cringey poo poo at some point. It’s cathoderaydude
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Dec 26, 2023 05:43
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I watched the Jacob geller top 10 games of the year and picked up tchia. It's such a cozy and chill game with beautiful colours and music and also you are in new Caledonia. I also got to kiss a girl, finally. You play a tiny child who is pretty much a terminator who can swim for minutes without going up for air and run for miles over two major islands without breaking a sweat if you have her eat a banana once in a while. When there are enemy camps instead of being a lowly virgin in far cry 3 where you stalk around and pick one guy after another cosplaying as a ninja, you just storm your way in like a chad and grab some oil lamps then ignite the gently caress out of everyone, including yourself, while she smiles happily as a fruit tree grows out of the burning embers of the enemy treasure pile and she devours the fruit as big as her head in one mouthful. When you climb to a viewpoint instead of letting an eagle fly around you or use your Nintendo switch (a Wii u in the previous game) to, yawn, scan stuff as if you are a hacker man she shrieks at the top of her lungs to reveal places like, this is where you get to eat local street food You can also play a ukelele that summons a bird which you can possess and fly at mach 8 speed across the map and when you press r2 you can make it poop. 10/10 recommend
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Dec 26, 2023 05:43
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malegaze is what you call shoegaze with a dude vocalist
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Dec 26, 2023 05:49
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Crain posted:This is something that gives Somerton away as well. He didn't seem to understand or engage with any of the media he talked about because of the particular mode in which he was approaching them with. I don't think the man is incapable of understanding art, movies, history, or anything else, but he never tried. He only read, watched, or listened to media with the mindset of "what can I quote, reference, or edit into a video?". He put out so much stuff that he didn't have the time, nor cared to put in the time, to give anything multiple passes. He clearly only gave any particular thing one go and during that go was just highlighting poo poo to pull for a video, and if you're doing that exclusively there is no way you can actually come away with any real knowledge or understand of something. trilobite terror posted:judging by his apology video that’s pretty likely what it was Yeah, without trying to guess why he started doing this it's pretty clear that the eventual business model he landed on with his Youtube videos looks a hell of a lot like those grifters who are attempting to generate 'passive income' by picking a popular topic and pumping out endless 'content' as quickly and efficiently as possible, usually by plagiarizing dozens of sources Tom Nicholas did a video about internet grifts and the section about becoming a fake internet expert is pretty much exactly what Somerton was doing. It's content creation purely as a business hustle, not because you have any passion for the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bq3SdfzcA4&t=2157s (37:55 if the timestamp doesn't work)
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Dec 26, 2023 05:51
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DoctorWhat posted:Alexander Avila was on hbomb's reclist and he's great. Really enjoyed "TikTok gave me autism". Lots of great citation and synthesis and research from a young perspective on a very ... Complicated social trend. ...but then I watched the earlier ones talking about Teen Wolf or whatever and it was also kinda bad  But hey you cut your losses. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Dec 26, 2023 05:51
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BrianWilly posted:Here's the thing though, the perfect Youtuber with the perfect opinions and perfect politics who never ever said anything bad doesn't exist. The absolute smartest people you've ever heard of is still always going to have said or done some cringey poo poo at some point. Yeah but somerton sucked and stole, internet history stole and is a chud, and Maggie may fish is an idiot
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Dec 26, 2023 06:02
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BrianWilly posted:Here's the thing though, the perfect Youtuber with the perfect opinions and perfect politics who never ever said anything bad doesn't exist. The absolute smartest people you've ever heard of is still always going to have said or done some cringey poo poo at some point.
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Dec 26, 2023 06:24
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah, without trying to guess why he started doing this it's pretty clear that the eventual business model he landed on with his Youtube videos looks a hell of a lot like those grifters who are attempting to generate 'passive income' by picking a popular topic and pumping out endless 'content' as quickly and efficiently as possible, usually by plagiarizing dozens of sources I think there's enough to condemn and criticize without having to psychoanalyze or invent reasons to pathologize what can likely be attributed to simple laziness-- intellectual laziness and literal laziness. He talks about it in his apology a bit, but he wanted to do podcasts where ppl discuss a movie off the cuff and say witty things. Like a gay version of Caravan of Garbage/Weekly Planet or Flophouse or a million other similar pods. Like he and some friends/collaborators would watch a famous gay movie and just rap about it on a stream afterward. He didn't want to do any research, or at most do minimal research. The thing with those podcasts is that the ship has kinda sailed on grinding up to success with them unless you're either extremely funny and you have an absolutely 10/10 podcast that spreads virulently through word of mouth, or you start with an existing audience doing some other form of content and slowly turn the drip feed up on your podcasting side-gig/you have existing fame that you parlay into pod. I think that's why James was so keen on gaining cred online and pestering other creators. He doesn't have friends of his own to pod with and was hoping to like get in good with Abby Thorn, etc. Lol I said I wouldn't try to analyze and here I am down a "it was all for the pod!" rabbit hole
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Dec 26, 2023 06:25
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like i dont want 'the next big queer opinion haver with the purest of thoughts' i just dont want them to be a moron
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Dec 26, 2023 06:27
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Do those text-to-speech channels that just summarize movies or do like AI-generated explanations of what black holes are and why Earth can't colonize other star systems actually generate revenue? James should have done a few dozen of those.
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Dec 26, 2023 06:35
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Endorph posted:if you start from the premise that lesbian fiction is 'male gaze'y then you are going to be inherently suspicious of any display of lesbian sexuality. this is a terrible place to start from and mostly leads to 19 year olds getting psychosis when they date a girl with e-cups. yes Endorph posted:(male gaze being a term made up on youtube to yell about why tomb raider needed a reboot where lara croft dies via having her throat impaled by a rusty metal pipe) no Endorph posted:to be clear i know it isnt actually made up by youtube yes Nuns with Guns posted:Like personally I've been mixed on Maggie Mae Fish's videos. yes i followed mmf for a while and i guess some of her videos land better than others, but by the uhhh hero's journey video i was left asking myself "does this actually merit an essay. like is there anything worth saying here" and realized that was the same impression i'd ended up with her last, like, three videos. might be the first time i unfollowed someone just for being too boring. cats video was good i guess Endorph posted:like i dont want 'the next big queer opinion haver with the purest of thoughts' i just dont want them to be a moron no i just sort of assume we're all a bunch of loving morons, i'm just expecting people to not be morons in a way that specifically obstructs their contribution, and even then i can be pretty forgiving depending on context
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Dec 26, 2023 07:00
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i am very smart, actually
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Dec 26, 2023 07:09
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i am very smart, actually
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Dec 26, 2023 07:14
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I have no time for self denigration, have some loving confidence in yourself and your abilities.
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Dec 26, 2023 07:15
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Gaius Marius posted:I have no time for self denigration, have some loving confidence in yourself and your abilities.
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