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Cerebral Bore posted:(allegedly) most powerful navy in the world unprepared for a prolonged conflict against country whose navy consists of like a dozen upgunned motorboats command and conquer generals 2 looking pretty good
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atelier morgan posted:p much, the 'effective multiple warhead missile' already exists, it's
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FuzzySlippers posted:I've always wondered if there was some reason that old anime space stuff always has those crazy giant mirv clouds of missiles. Probably just a popular cartoon randomly did it and the rest copied but I thought they also could be responding to something specific. It was because of this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichir%C5%8D_Itano
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# ? Dec 25, 2023 09:01 |
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When my dad played Master of Orion 2, he always won early game wars by mass producing scout-size ships that did nothing but carry as many nuclear missiles as the hull could fit. The battle would start, he'd unload dozens and dozens of missiles, then he'd order all but one ship to retreat, and the one remaining ship would run away while the missiles would fly to their targets, destroy the much bigger and much more expensive cruisers and battleships, then he'd win.
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https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1738943576942215252quote:🚨🇾🇪BREAKING: AnsarAllah political bureau spokesman: who would win one dji mavic boy or a 2 billion dollar ship
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gradenko_2000 posted:When my dad played Master of Orion 2, he always won early game wars by mass producing scout-size ships that did nothing but carry as many nuclear missiles as the hull could fit. The battle would start, he'd unload dozens and dozens of missiles, then he'd order all but one ship to retreat, and the one remaining ship would run away while the missiles would fly to their targets, destroy the much bigger and much more expensive cruisers and battleships, then he'd win. MOO1/2 were such great games. I'm not sure why none of the many space 4x games over the year have been near as fun. Same for fantasy 4x and MoM for that matter. Sad day when Simtex closed. Cheap missile boat swarms have been a solid strategy in most space strategy games over the decades. The answer had always been there.
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waiting for the first newborns to be named after dji mavic
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the ak 47 of the 21st century
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USN in 1980: able to fight a 2 front war against USSR and China USN in 2023: gets owned by a $2000 troll drone
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FuzzySlippers posted:MOO1/2 were such great games. I'm not sure why none of the many space 4x games over the year have been near as fun. complexity for the sake of complexity
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Cross posting from the Ukraine thread: https://www.ft.com/content/69d83a44-1feb-4d6b-865d-9fb827b85578 paywall bypass: https://archive.is/I6Gmk quote:The west’s Russia oil ban, one year on It turns out moving numbers around in a Lloyds of London database is not as important as all those think tanks thought! Better get used to a lot more of that in the years to come.
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capitalists stared at spreadsheets so long they became convinced there is only exchange value
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Raskolnikov38 posted:capitalists stared at spreadsheets so long they became convinced there is only exchange value it is grimly funny that the rise of neoliberalism is correlated with the replacement of office workers doing computations by spreadsheets
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Boat Stuck posted:Cross posting from the Ukraine thread: Called it the day they barred Russia from using their services. What they really thought nobody else could create an alternate version? I guess so. Lloyds of London more like Legacy of Hubris.
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DancingShade posted:Legacy of Hubris.
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Palladium posted:USN in 1980: able to fight a 2 front war against USSR and China its extra funny to me because its completely solvable. there is no reason to intercept a shahed with a million+ dollar missile, im sure there exists a solution to this problem it just doesn't make the right people richer & more powerful lol, lmao sucks to be a sailor
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Delta-Wye posted:its extra funny to me because its completely solvable. there is no reason to intercept a shahed with a million+ dollar missile, im sure there exists a solution to this problem The solution is anti-air cannons. Bring back Flak guns. I don't know what size shells would work best but they would be cheaper than the current missile interceptors. Use those fancy computers and radars to determine where to fire the shells and set the appropriate distance fuze and just fire a few dozen rounds at each Shahed.
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BearsBearsBears posted:The solution is anti-air cannons. Bring back Flak guns. I don't know what size shells would work best but they would be cheaper than the current missile interceptors. Use those fancy computers and radars to determine where to fire the shells and set the appropriate distance fuze and just fire a few dozen rounds at each Shahed. in principle i don't see why a phalanx ciws or similar wouldn't sit in this role nicely for simpler drones, but i haven't seen it used in ukraine at all for whatever reason
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BearsBearsBears posted:The solution is anti-air cannons. Bring back Flak guns. I don't know what size shells would work best but they would be cheaper than the current missile interceptors. Use those fancy computers and radars to determine where to fire the shells and set the appropriate distance fuze and just fire a few dozen rounds at each Shahed. Imagine the stress and vibrations of mounting pom pom guns on modern aluminium superstructure frigates. What would you take off to mount them? Sacrifice the entire heli deck?
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Delta-Wye posted:in principle i don't see why a phalanx ciws or similar wouldn't sit in this role nicely for simpler drones, but i haven't seen it used in ukraine at all for whatever reason The range on them is really poo poo compared to actual AAA
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Destroyers already have five inch Dual purpose guns. The hull can handle a bit of recoil I think
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Stairmaster posted:Destroyers already have five inch Dual purpose guns. The hull can handle a bit of recoil I think I think the shells for naval deck guns cost a bit though. Maybe not as much as a missile but probably still multiples of a flying lawnmower looking to drain the magazine. You know what. Reflecting on it there isn't a solution because anything that can be implemented is simply going to not be cost effective because of the inherant grift required for such a project to see fruition.
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BearsBearsBears posted:The solution is anti-air cannons. Bring back Flak guns. I don't know what size shells would work best but they would be cheaper than the current missile interceptors. Use those fancy computers and radars to determine where to fire the shells and set the appropriate distance fuze and just fire a few dozen rounds at each Shahed. I had been curious why I have seen no one doing it. I wasn't sure if there was some technical reason or just too low tech and boring. If nazis could throw up an entire sky full of flak every night even as they lost the war flak can't be too expensive, can it? It's not like you need to get a direct hit to bring down a repurposed quadcopter
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went looking for antishahed examples https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14skfo3/an_antishahed_system_in_action/ this poo poo sucks so much
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8 this is better. future wunderwaffen opportunity????
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DancingShade posted:I think the shells for naval deck guns cost a bit though. Maybe not as much as a missile but probably still multiples of a flying lawnmower looking to drain the magazine. It's a solvable problem for nations that aren't the US, just build factories that can build tonnes of naval shells on the cheap. China will have this problem licked. Cheap and plentiful naval shells plus interdiction of enemy drones (exploding enemy drone launchers before they can launch their drones) can bring the industrial cost of the war to (roughly) matching levels. There's also a another technology that's been developed to cheaply counter enemy drones. It's a UAV that's tethered to the ground and is designed to physically intercept the enemy drones. They're easier to use on fixed positions and are more effective if layered. The Brits used these to counter the primitive UAVs that the Nazis were using to attack London and the Americans used them to secure the beacheheads against air attack after the D-Day landings. BearsBearsBears has issued a correction as of 08:03 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Delta-Wye posted:in principle i don't see why a phalanx ciws or similar wouldn't sit in this role nicely for simpler drones, but i haven't seen it used in ukraine at all for whatever reason whoops grifts left, right, center and all the way down
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FuzzySlippers posted:I had been curious why I have seen no one doing it. I wasn't sure if there was some technical reason or just too low tech and boring. If nazis could throw up an entire sky full of flak every night even as they lost the war flak can't be too expensive, can it? It's not like you need to get a direct hit to bring down a repurposed quadcopter Yeah, the way you cost effectively deal with cheap drones is bullets and old school radar fused flak. You can get away with a smaller caliber SPAAG on land because there's more cover around and you can keep the things a distance away from what you're defending, but on the water a Tunguska equivalent would let them get a bit too close for comfort to the ships. Hilariously 5in DP guns would be just about perfect. Plus, those shells are small enough that a modern ship several times the size of WW2 escort classes could definitely store plenty of ammunition for them. Also 5in cannons are far more unwieldy on land. There's probably a medium range option I'm not smart enough to think of, so keep an eye on China. All of this is theory, of course. I'd expect to see defenses like that in action from China, Russia, and other nations not plugged into the western MIC. Western MIC is allergic to the word 'cheap' or 'cost effective' so yeah the proliferation of cheap smart munitions is gonna suck for anybody in their militaries. Complications has issued a correction as of 08:00 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Slavvy posted:The range on them is really poo poo compared to actual AAA the combat ceiling of a shahed is like 4000 meters and it flies p drat slow, so range isn't really an issue here. hell, theoretically you could down one with an hmg
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The real problem of the Shahed and similar low cost strategic weapons isn't that it can't be countered, it's that a genuine challenge to the Western MIC grift coasting on energy and invention from 50 years ago, a challenge that they're no longer capable of meeting. Like what do you actually do about it? Equip your tactical formations with organic mid-caliber autocannon AA using optical or IRST fire control systems and proximity fuzed rounds so your mechanized and armored formations are much more difficult to attack with drones, then build your own drones too. But that's not the problem, the problem is that any novel threat or challenge to the doctrine and production of the West's entrenched MIC players is simply ignored. It's just that the Shahed represents a challenge that's accessible to almost anybody; you don't need to be China to make a few hundred small drones like that and suddenly present a credible threat to airbases, civilian infrastructure, shipping, etc. now. It's like you can go to the store and buy automatic rifles now but the US military is run by and for the benefit of the flintlock lobby.
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BearsBearsBears posted:The solution is anti-air cannons. Bring back Flak guns. I don't know what size shells would work best but they would be cheaper than the current missile interceptors. Use those fancy computers and radars to determine where to fire the shells and set the appropriate distance fuze and just fire a few dozen rounds at each Shahed. "the solution is something that requires the production of a lot of shells" Sorry but that ship has sailed (pun intended!)
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FuzzySlippers posted:I had been curious why I have seen no one doing it. I wasn't sure if there was some technical reason or just too low tech and boring. If nazis could throw up an entire sky full of flak every night even as they lost the war flak can't be too expensive, can it? It's not like you need to get a direct hit to bring down a repurposed quadcopter How useful.have the ZSU-23s been for Ukraine or Russia in all this?
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BearsBearsBears posted:It's a solvable problem for nations that aren't the US, just build factories that can build tonnes of naval shells on the cheap. China will have this problem licked. Cheap and plentiful naval shells plus interdiction of enemy drones (exploding enemy drone launchers before they can launch their drones) can bring the industrial cost of the war to (roughly) matching levels. lol we already saw the havoc that one chinese balloon could werck.
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great balloon wall of china with machine guns
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Delta-Wye posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8 lol at the wobble on that
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I was googling around to see if anyone has actually tested an honest-to-god drone swarm yet, and found this video from a 2016 test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86rwv-5f7IA where the drone swarm sounds exactly like the screams of all the damned souls burning in hell at the end of The House That Jack Built which is horrifying. I'm guessing to actually get one of those to work is you need them to be running on some sort of autonomy and have the ability to chose targets themselves which seems like a nightmare so it is probably something we are definitely going to do.
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a_gelatinous_cube posted:I was googling around to see if anyone has actually tested an honest-to-god drone swarm yet, and found this video from a 2016 test looks expensive. https://youtu.be/scTe1LUjwbo?si=b9iwLnr3JW7nQsPg
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynschwaar/2022/02/27/us-military-to-3d-print-its-way-out-of-supply-chain-woes/?sh=27e832c7275dquote:U.S. Military To 3D Print Its Way Out Of Supply Chain Woes
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US Armory Department of Strategic Maker Spaces
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dads friend steve posted:https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynschwaar/2022/02/27/us-military-to-3d-print-its-way-out-of-supply-chain-woes/?sh=27e832c7275d This has to be a full buzzword bingo
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