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Doltos posted:Ah no wonder. The 80's and 90's were full of people like Hester. You should know that Mel Gray was the original "why isn't this guy in the HoF he was soooo good at returning". It's because it's a fungible position that's often filled by people not good enough to play on either side of the football. Rattling off a series of players that were once returners and then proved to be more valuable probably won't convince you of that. There's a longer list than Steve Smith Jr. and Odell Beckham. Gale Sayers, Adoree Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Deion Sanders, Joey Galloway, Antonio Brown, Julian Edelman, Reggie Bush, Tyreek Hill, Patrick Peterson. It just keeps going on and on that good players are pulled from return duties for a reason and that a lot of these guys have comparable statistical averages, which is something you kind of have to do when comparing people who only briefly held a fungible position that they were deemed too valuable to waste on. He doesn't deserve to be in the HoF just as much as Cordarelle Patterson doesn't deserve it. I think that's reasonable. Some of these are strange choices to make to argue that they would've been better than Hester. Odell Beckham averaged 6.9 yards per punt return and only returned a kick twice. Adoree Jackson averaged 8.4 yards per punt return and only returned kicks as a rookie -- also, 0 touchdowns. Gale Sayers returned kicks and punts for nearly his entire career. Deion Sanders returned kicks until he was 25, and returned punts throughout his entire career. Joey Galloway has 4 total kick returns, and returned punts for a large chunk of his career. Antonio Brown returned punts for his entire career. Julian Edelman returned punts for his entire career. Reggie Bush returned punts for his entire time with New Orleans and only stopped once he went to other teams. Patrick Peterson had an amazing rookie season as a punt returner (15.9 yards/return, 4 TDs) and never matched his production again after that. He still returned punts until his age 28 season. To be honest the pattern I'm seeing here is that they weren't pulled because they were too valuable at other positions, they were pulled because they were getting older and becoming more of an injury risk -- or else players like Beckham and Desean would've been pulled much earlier, since they were immediately effective as receivers. 34-year-old Joey Galloway returned punts for the Bucs for his first season there before losing half the season to injury. Tyreek, Desean Jackson, and Steve Smith are the players here who actually support your argument (having very strong productivity as a punt returner early in their careers before being permanently relieved of duty). Hester returned both punts and kicks for his entire career and rarely missed games with injury until he was 33, which essentially ended his career. PFR links for reference: edit: targeted the links to the actual return section for easier comparing: quote:https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrayMe00.htm#all_returns SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Dec 30, 2023 |
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Black Sunshine posted:Hell, whoever wins that contest should go to the Hall no matter what because that's the American dream, parking lot blowjobs I'm out of the loop here is Cheesecake Factory surpassed Denny's for blowjobs/hour??? And yes Hester should be in the hall what the poo poo people
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I thought the dream was to eat cereal in my underwear alone. Am I doing this wrong?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39207197/colts-drew-ogletree-arrested-alleged-domestic-violence edit: Bellmaker posted:And yes Hester should be in the hall what the poo poo people Notice how it's only the idiots/usual suspects saying he shouldn't. No merit or substance or actual thought behind the "reasoning" why he shouldn't, either; weird huh
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Don’t owners go in the hall of fame? Who gives a poo poo. Let Devin in!
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Hester dragged a team helmed by Rex Grossman to the Superbowl and even spotted his team a lead on the loving kickoff. He had plenty of other seasons that were good to serviceable but that feat alone commands more respect than folks want to give him.
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bows1 posted:Don’t owners go in the hall of fame? Who gives a poo poo. Let Devin in! They do. There is a stonewall of reporters and Bill loving Belichick keeping Modell out lol
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Bellmaker posted:I'm out of the loop here is Cheesecake Factory surpassed Denny's for blowjobs/hour??? I believe the standard is a million dicks per second, a record set by the Dallas Cowboys
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SKULL.GIF posted:lots of stuff You and Mr. Nice are doing God's work  Nervous posted:I thought the dream was to eat cereal in my underwear alone. Am I doing this wrong? You're missing out! fartknocker posted:I believe the standard is a million dicks per second, a record set by the Dallas Cowboys Confirming this
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fartknocker posted:I believe the standard is a million dicks per second, a record set by the Dallas Cowboys In a row?
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A big flaming stink posted:Former Ravens RB Ray Rice will be the Legend of the Game. You're inside Synchronicity (nice try, Jeff) AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:NFC south, yikes.
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Hachi machi
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:NFC south, yikes. The south will rise again! (3 to 5 years)
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Danny LaFever posted:Lions are in tough in Dallas. This is where my head's at, they'll have to play perfect ball to win in Dallas and that's tough for any team, but especially this Lions team. Like to imagine that I'll be content with any result that isn't a curbstomping of Detroit or something decided on a suspect call (I too remember that 2014-15 playoff game)
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C-Euro posted:This is where my head's at, they'll have to play perfect ball to win in Dallas and that's tough for any team, but especially this Lions team. Like to imagine that I'll be content with any result that isn't a curbstomping of Detroit or something decided on a suspect call (I too remember that 2014-15 playoff game) They need to run all day because Dallas have a soft little middle and not let Ceedee wreck their poo poo.
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BlindSite posted:They need to run all day because Dallas have a soft little middle and not let Ceedee wreck their poo poo. Considering how rough our secondary is, I think this could be a very good game for Ceedee
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Oh yeah for sure he's going to gently caress you guys up, but still. Don't leave him in iso and jam at the line etc etc.
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A shootout where team A runs all over team B, while team B passes all over team A, could be a fun game. I'm still not used to thinking about Detroit as a team with a strong running game but this would be a good time to show everybody just that.
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AJA posted:It's so deep, it's so wide
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C-Euro posted:A shootout where team A runs all over team B, while team B passes all over team A, could be a fun game. I'm still not used to thinking about Detroit as a team with a strong running game but this would be a good time to show everybody just that. Lions vs Dolphins in the “we’re just happy to be here” Super Bowl will be a shootout for the ages
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Despera posted:Shaun Peyton impressive
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UCS Hellmaker posted:I will perform a demon ritual for a Lions vs flacco browns in the Superbowl. God give us the best feel good matchup possible because Campbell deserves to go all the way with his team, and flacco dragging the literal corpse of an injured browns team to the Superbowl and showing off even more how loving stupid the Watson deal was would be amazing. Big fan of current Detroit Coach Vs Former Detroit coach coaching in the Super Bowl.
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nachos posted:Lions vs Dolphins in the “we’re just happy to be here” Super Bowl will be a shootout for the ages Dan Campbell Vs Mike McDaniel is pure 80s sports movie casting Pregame hype video of Campbell stuffing McDaniel into a locker and knocking his comedically large stack of plays out of his hand
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Despera posted:Credit to Shaun Peyton for making me feel an inkling of sympathy for russell wilson, something I never thought would happen https://x.com/ryenarussillo/status/1740832586895917172?s=46&t=K9tjcmN1RTpv2vGikVETsQ
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Phobeste posted:impressive If your name is Shawn or Payton you deserve to have the letters inside the name interchangeable
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AndrewP posted:It's generally lovely the leverage teams have against players. It's a lovely thing to do to Russ. It's not remotely over for Denver fans, this signals they want to be real lovely for 2-5 years.
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The Dave posted:https://x.com/ryenarussillo/status/1740832586895917172?s=46&t=K9tjcmN1RTpv2vGikVETsQ I refuse. I think Payton made the right choice.
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AndrewP posted:It's generally lovely the leverage teams have against players. It's a lovely thing to do to Russ. Trying to pressure him into removing his guarantees is lovely but the team basically had no leverage at all which is why it didn’t work. Russ got paid a 50 million signing bonus for an extension and he wont play a single down on that extension. The Broncos got fleeced. Bip Roberts posted:It's not remotely over for Denver fans, this signals they want to be real lovely for 2-5 years. They’re lovely now! Taking your medicine and moving on quickly from a bad trade seems like the opposite of committing to mediocrity.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Trying to pressure him into removing his guarantees is lovely but the team basically had no leverage at all which is why it didn’t work. Russ got paid a 50 million signing bonus for an extension that and he wont play a single down on that extension. The Broncos got fleeced. Yeah if anything it backfired because Russ' 'quiet camp' prob made a huge fuss about something that happens to a ton of players every year. Teams often ask players to shift bonuses, take cuts, waive trade clauses, or just outright bench them before they hit qualifiers. We just don't really hear about them or care because they're not happening to well known players. At the end of the day a contract is a contract which means that it's open up to legal interpretation, not that the player is guaranteed to go through the entire contract without any trouble. It sucks, I don't agree with it, but it's been the status quo in the NFL forever.
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Bip Roberts posted:It's not remotely over for Denver fans, this signals they want to be real lovely for 2-5 years. Well that will be different.
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LiquidFriend posted:Well that will be different. A return to the Trevor Siemians and Drew Locks of the world is a difference, yes.
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