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Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

mycot posted:

Jenny is the only internet persona where people will make up reasons to be mad at her, it's bizarre.

This is so far removed from the truth that, despite the entire rest of your post being a continuation of this thought, I have to assume it is some sort of typo.

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Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012
I feel a certain internet-damaged subsect was drunk on its own success after running Lindsay Ellis our of Twitter and youtube, and needed another fix.

"What other blue-eyed, soft-spoken young woman deals in pop and geek culture from a generally critical perspective? Jenny? Sounds good. Chaaaarge!"

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Whenever I saw that very debunked rumour about jenny Nicholson it would usually be a 2 hit combo where they accompany it with an accusation of big Joel being racist against Asians but the evidence cannot be found

Radia
Jul 14, 2021

And someday, together.. We'll shine.

Zedd posted:

Jenny seems to for lack of better term trigger a certain bunch of people in general. A quirky nerdy young woman that disagrees with certain opinions and legitimately does not care about it / greater nerd culture just seems like a betrayal to them. Jenny meanwhile just moves on to her next fun thing, the church plays, the themeparks, other movies she likes.

i remember when a bunch of people were talking about how they planned to go after jenny next after lindsay ellis. some people just hate women online

Radia
Jul 14, 2021

And someday, together.. We'll shine.

Sephyr posted:

I feel a certain internet-damaged subsect was drunk on its own success after running Lindsay Ellis our of Twitter and youtube, and needed another fix.

"What other blue-eyed, soft-spoken young woman deals in pop and geek culture from a generally critical perspective? Jenny? Sounds good. Chaaaarge!"

lol i was beaten. they explicitly talked about this yes

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

Ariong posted:

This is so far removed from the truth that, despite the entire rest of your post being a continuation of this thought, I have to assume it is some sort of typo.
I'm making a distinction between the "this bitch is eating salad" meme and literally deliberately photoshopping slander and getting sincerely mad over the photoshop, but maybe that's not unique either

Lady Radia posted:

i remember when a bunch of people were talking about how they planned to go after jenny next after lindsay ellis. some people just hate women online
Why do I have a depressing hunch that this group's gender ratio is more even than you'd expect.

mycot fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Dec 30, 2023

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Photoshopping 'evidence' of someone being terrible was one of Tumblr's favorite hobbies about five years ago. I mean, it still might be but these days I follow people who stay out of that poo poo.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Didn't they do the same thing to one of the Vinesauce people?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Runa posted:

yeah and it makes people go insane for no reason

Oh there's an easily understood reason: She's a cute girl with nerdy interests who obviously rejects them. It's their worst nightmare.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Lady Radia posted:

i remember when a bunch of people were talking about how they planned to go after jenny next after lindsay ellis. some people just hate women online

Yeah, just planning that on Twitter in front of God and everyone.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Terrible Opinions posted:

He's the only non-resetera person I have ever seen to say anything good about Forspoken. Even if the extent of his endorsement was that he liked the earth stuff pre-fantasy world, and to maybe get it on sale for 15 dollars or less.

Sounds like someone isn't familiar with the gospel of BioEnchanted. smh

Radia
Jul 14, 2021

And someday, together.. We'll shine.

mycot posted:

Why do I have a depressing hunch that this group's gender ratio is more even than you'd expect.

i'd love if there were some way to find out tbh, just to generate some incredible content based on it

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

John Murdoch posted:

Sounds like someone isn't familiar with the gospel of BioEnchanted. smh

I love BioEnchanted posts so much. Just the ultimate glass half full guy.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

genuinely 90% of the nicholson hate is just because she had the 'wrong' ship

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

and its very funny because in the year 2023 does anyone still give a poo poo about sequel trilogy shipping

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
The rise of skywalker making everyone realize that that whole trilogy was a stupid waste of time nobody should've gotten emotionally invested in was astounding to watch. All enthusiasm... vanished. Gone. It felt so all consuming, a loving all out war everywhere over how good/bad/woke the second movie was and what the third movie was gonna be and then rather than ending in a giant shitshow it's like we all looked at it and went "well that was stupid, huh" and the legacy of the star wars sequels is "somehow, Palpatine has returned." I don't think I can think of anything quite like it.

Grondoth fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Dec 30, 2023

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

disney managed to kill star wars, its insane. like yeah they still make merch and games that make money and some tv shows, but like, theres no real enthusiasm, its jsut the same base thats always existed. the prequel trilogy still had cultural cache for a few years even after it ended, it still felt like a trend, but rise of skywalker just killed it instantly

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
the reylo kiss monkey paw scene that made nobody happy, not even the reylo shippers

mycatscrimes
Jan 2, 2020
Palpatine canonically being resurrected in a fortnite event is the funniest thing

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Endorph posted:

disney managed to kill star wars, its insane. like yeah they still make merch and games that make money and some tv shows, but like, theres no real enthusiasm, its jsut the same base thats always existed. the prequel trilogy still had cultural cache for a few years even after it ended, it still felt like a trend, but rise of skywalker just killed it instantly

I'm glad of it.

mycatscrimes posted:

Palpatine canonically being resurrected in a fortnite event is the funniest thing

:lol: what

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Sephyr posted:

I feel a certain internet-damaged subsect was drunk on its own success after running Lindsay Ellis our of Twitter and youtube, and needed another fix.

"What other blue-eyed, soft-spoken young woman deals in pop and geek culture from a generally critical perspective? Jenny? Sounds good. Chaaaarge!"

I'm just amused by the fact that Jenny seems to just be largely immune to the sort of internet drama those sort of creeps weaponize. It's like she's the Road Runner to the worst segment of Twitter's Coyote.

Endorph posted:

disney managed to kill star wars, its insane. like yeah they still make merch and games that make money and some tv shows, but like, theres no real enthusiasm, its jsut the same base thats always existed. the prequel trilogy still had cultural cache for a few years even after it ended, it still felt like a trend, but rise of skywalker just killed it instantly

It kind of makes me sad, because there were a bunch of interesting ideas and characters that were set up at the beginning of the Sequel Trilogy that I think could have been fun to explore, but they Rise of Skywalker took a big, wet fart on all of that. I think that's honestly one of the big reasons the Sequel Trilogy has mostly fallen out of the public consciousness: Because the last movie in that trilogy was such a dud it just kind of squashed any hope that the messier elements of the new movies could be woven together into a satisfying conclusion. An entire era of Star Wars movies got JJ Abrams'd, hard.

The Prequels, by contrast, had a lot of their bigger mistakes in the first two movies but because of its positioning in the timeline it left a lot more room for plot threads to be picked up after the fact in supplemental material.

KingKalamari fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Dec 30, 2023

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Grondoth posted:

The rise of skywalker making everyone realize that that whole trilogy was a stupid waste of time nobody should've gotten emotionally invested in was astounding to watch. All enthusiasm... vanished. Gone. It felt so all consuming, a loving all out war everywhere over how good/bad/woke the second movie was and what the third movie was gonna be and then rather than ending in a giant shitshow it's like we all looked at it and went "well that was stupid, huh" and the legacy of the star wars sequels is "somehow, Palpatine has returned." I don't think I can think of anything quite like it.

Rise of Skywalker cratered in the worst possible way, it just wasn't very interesting. It's difficult for people to be invested into doing internet wars when almost everyone's reaction to the movie is just "lol".


Endorph posted:

disney managed to kill star wars, its insane. like yeah they still make merch and games that make money and some tv shows, but like, theres no real enthusiasm, its jsut the same base thats always existed. the prequel trilogy still had cultural cache for a few years even after it ended, it still felt like a trend, but rise of skywalker just killed it instantly

As somebody who used to be into Star Wars as this cool, comfy nostalgia franchise that I'd ocasionally rewatch or play a game/read a book about... I still don't really know how the sequel trilogy managed to kill all of my interest in the franchise. Once I saw Rise of Skywalker name and saw the synopsis, I just nope'd out and never looked back.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Jenny’s had other brushes with internet notoriety before becoming a youtube person iirc. Her sister was once an fyad notable. She’s probably been paying attention to internet weirdo dynamics for a while and has some practical strategies and psychological barriers in place.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The tanking of episode 9 and the success of Mandalorian Season 1 also kind of ended up spelling doom for Star Wars TV. Mando Season 1 is a lot of fun but there's a very notable shift when it becomes clear that Disney is investing in TV Star Wars as their new money-maker. Shows that were in production while all eyes were on the films ended up being great but series that were filmed afterwards have been mediocre to downright terrible.

Andor is an excellent show that stands on its own and I like most of Mando Season 2 but anything outside of those first two Mando seasons and the shockingly good Rogue One spinoff has been absolutely dire.

I said this in the thread-currently-at-war-with-Zack-Snyder the other day but the Kenobi TV show rivals Episode 9 for being possibly the worst piece of Star Wars storytelling that Disney has ever released.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Dec 30, 2023

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Arc Hammer posted:

The tanking of episode 9 and the success of Mandalorian Season 1 also kind of ended up spelling doom for Star Wars TV. Mando Season 1 is a lot of fun but there's a very notable shift when it becomes clear that Disney is investing in TV Star Wars as their new money-maker. Shows that were in production while all eyes were on the films ended up being great but series that were filmed afterwards have been mediocre to downright terrible.

Andor is an excellent show that stands on its own and I like most of Mando Season 2 but anything outside of those first two Mando seasons and the shockingly good Rogue One spinoff has been absolutely dire.

I think that actually touches on one of the big problems that has always plagued the Star Wars Expanded Universe: The setting is at its best when people aren't trying to tie it all together into a single, cohesive whole.

Back when I was a kid, my favorite parts of the Star Wars EU were the super old licensed novels they put out back in the 80s about poo poo Han Solo and Lando Calrissian got up to before the Original Trilogy specifically because they were exploring new, interesting territory unbound by the shackles of a gigantic backlog of Lore that needs to be adhered to. That's kind of always been the major appeal to me about Star Wars - The cantina scene in A New Hope was always so magical to me as a kid because the characters just walk into this bar that's full of weird muppet aliens that all look like they've got their own story going on, but it never goes into details on who these weirdos are or what their deal is, it gives the sense that this is a vast galaxy full of adventures and stories outside of the one we're currently following. But then as the Expanded Universe went on it just increasingly ties everything that happens in the galaxy back to the same handful of characters, planets and factions - Every event in 10,000 years of galactic history ties back to the conflict between the Jedi and the Sith, every bit of unexplained magic is just The Force again, every alien species in the galaxy is based around the handful of character traits displayed by the one member of that race who showed up in the movies.

That's why I was initially excited that they'd dropped the old EU from canon: It gave them a chance to wipe the slate clean and begin redefining and diversifying the setting, and at first it seemed promising. But (From what I've heard at least) the pivot to making Star Wars TV just led to the same problems as before rearing their ugly heads again, only more so because now it was all tied up in the franchise's flagship properties. Now to follow Star Wars you have to actually pay attention to what was previously EU content and everything has to tie back to everything else in this big mess of a continuity web. And the franchise again goes from a springboard of unexplored stories to something tedious nerds can write expansive fan wikis about.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

To finish out the sequel trilogy, Disney really needed to hire somebody capable of paying off the plot threads set up by JJ Abrams in a logical and satisfying manner. Unfortunately, they hired JJ Abrams instead.

Grondoth posted:

The rise of skywalker making everyone realize that that whole trilogy was a stupid waste of time nobody should've gotten emotionally invested in was astounding to watch. All enthusiasm... vanished. Gone. It felt so all consuming, a loving all out war everywhere over how good/bad/woke the second movie was and what the third movie was gonna be and then rather than ending in a giant shitshow it's like we all looked at it and went "well that was stupid, huh" and the legacy of the star wars sequels is "somehow, Palpatine has returned." I don't think I can think of anything quite like it.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of nerds cried out in anger and were suddenly silenced.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

So your favorite thing about Star Wars was the possibility of it not being Star Wars

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Jenny Nicholson honestly seems too normal and well adjusted to be a Major YouTube Content Creator.

Surprise revelation that she's been running an online casino since 2003, or something else equally absurd.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

Grondoth posted:

The rise of skywalker making everyone realize that that whole trilogy was a stupid waste of time nobody should've gotten emotionally invested in was astounding to watch. All enthusiasm... vanished. Gone. It felt so all consuming, a loving all out war everywhere over how good/bad/woke the second movie was and what the third movie was gonna be and then rather than ending in a giant shitshow it's like we all looked at it and went "well that was stupid, huh" and the legacy of the star wars sequels is "somehow, Palpatine has returned." I don't think I can think of anything quite like it.
I think a lot about that line in the Jenny Rise of Skywalker video about how the worst emotion you can get from a new installment of something is feeling stupid over being excited for it.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




They should just lean into it. Follow some new guy who's just really into vehicles working in some space junkyard and then yank him out of that by minute 17 and put him in Jedi training with DeepFake/AI Luke Skywalker and Palpatine. Run it like the Arkham Batman series being unable to go one game without Joker.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Arkham Origins was so frustrating for that and more so because they actually did the Joker plot well

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Alaois posted:

So your favorite thing about Star Wars was the possibility of it not being Star Wars

No, my favorite thing about Star Wars was how it sparked the imagination of the viewer and wasn't being written by a bunch of nerds trying to bend themselves into knots coming up with explanations for why Han said the Millennium Falcon made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs when parsecs are a measure of distance and not time

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



mycot posted:

I think a lot about that line in the Jenny Rise of Skywalker video about how the worst emotion you can get from a new installment of something is feeling stupid over being excited for it.

yeah i have a friend who had been a superfan of star wars and mcu, and this year his approach to geek media is giving the kubrick stare

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Ariong posted:

To finish out the sequel trilogy, Disney really needed to hire somebody capable of paying off the plot threads set up by JJ Abrams in a logical and satisfying manner. Unfortunately, they hired JJ Abrams instead.

:hmmyes:

Arc Hammer posted:

I said this in the thread-currently-at-war-with-Zack-Snyder the other day but the Kenobi TV show rivals Episode 9 for being possibly the worst piece of Star Wars storytelling that Disney has ever released.

Kenobi is what finally killed whatever hope I still held for the franchise in my shriveled heart. I have been told by multiple people that Andor is legitimately excellent and I just have no interest in watching it because I don't want to get invested in the next thing Disney realizes is popular and then runs into the ground in search of squeezing out yet more profit. Also it'd be the only thing I'd get Disney+ for and drat that poo poo is getting expensive.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



when the text crawl says "the dead speak! the galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of revenge in the sinister voice of the late emperor palpatine" it is referring to the star wars live event held in fortnite (at ~11m) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNLyly-ft74&t=670s

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

The best Star Wars is doing now is making weird guys like Turgle.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Grondoth posted:

The rise of skywalker making everyone realize that that whole trilogy was a stupid waste of time nobody should've gotten emotionally invested in was astounding to watch. All enthusiasm... vanished. Gone. It felt so all consuming, a loving all out war everywhere over how good/bad/woke the second movie was and what the third movie was gonna be and then rather than ending in a giant shitshow it's like we all looked at it and went "well that was stupid, huh" and the legacy of the star wars sequels is "somehow, Palpatine has returned." I don't think I can think of anything quite like it.

I still like the last Jedi

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Honestly what killed my love for Star Wars is just the whole franchise and fanbase is so toxic and bitter that it’s not even fun to talk about any more. I don’t want to hear how bad the last Jedi is any more. I’m over talking about it lol. It makes me mad and uncomfortable and that’s what every Star Wars convo seems to lead into.

No one talks about the movies they like or the OT any more. It’s just how X ruined the franchise and how it’s all bad.

No bitch you ruined it. Stfu

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I'll happily talk about Andor and the good episodes of Mandalorian all day long. Things are fun when they are good.

poo poo talking bad stuff is also fun and good.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Dec 30, 2023

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Radia
Jul 14, 2021

And someday, together.. We'll shine.

Arc Hammer posted:

I'll tall about Andor and the good episodes of Mandalorian all day long. Things are fun when they are good.

andor isn't star wars, that's what's good about it

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