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hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

it would be cool to grow up as a rich kid in a big old timey castle boarding school with wood paneling and poo poo and all you gotta do is show up and they teach you literal magic and then you graduate and get a job making chocolate frogs or some poo poo in a chill old timey European village doing magic instead of working some bullshit job for some rear end in a top hat. that's about it. life obviously loving sucks and it would be way easier and more fun to be British aristocracy a wizard instead

hawowanlawow fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Dec 28, 2023

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mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Rowling basically manifested her dream life into existence-- she was a poor girl who wrote a story about a boy who wins the lottery and sucks off the institution from sunrise to sunset with an alarming lack of reflection, and so the success of the book enabled her to do the same. If nothing else, it's an authentic work.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

I hate royalty and rich people in all their incarnations in media.

Lt. Cock
May 28, 2005

INCOMING!
Kubrick just came up and I remembered I really don’t like that dude’s movies. Or the mythos around him. I’ve heard about a hundred college film majors over the years tell me “Kubrick was a GOD.” Yeah well, every single one of his movies makes me fall asleep. I don’t care if he spent 20 days arranging all the poo poo in the background of a 3 minute scene, maybe he should have been a set designer or cinematographer. Of all his movies, the only one I’m really into is 2001, but also I will probably fall asleep halfway through.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

I'm not gonna root for Harry Potter but I'm also not going to pretend that I didn't love the first bunch of books as a kid. They were fun escapist literature to a kid at the right age.

SonOfGhostDad
Nov 16, 2022
I don't like Seinfeld. My wife re-watches it every year or so and it's never made me laugh. I understand that it pretty well set the template of unpleasant people being unpleasant to each other, but it always seems to stop just short of any incisive commentary. IASIP, by comparison, is that same formula with teeth.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
I only ever saw the first HP movie at 13 and thought, "Oh yeah, I can see where kids would love this. It's charming and fun and a little spooky. Little young for me, but I get it!"
It's the adult fanatics I don't get.

White Light
Dec 19, 2012

If we're talking Harry Potter films I'd say the best one was the second one, they took all the world building from the first flick to new heights. Everybody says the third one is the :airquote:best:airquote: but it's when they decided to start sucking out the fun, enchanting whimsy of the setting in favor of a more modern aesthetic. Suddenly the characters are too cool to wear their uniforms and gotta start clomping around in clearance-aisle urban wear from Academy, never allowed to have campy magical adventures again.

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
Harry Potter's biggest issue other than the tory bullshit is that halfway through the series, it goes from whimsical magic school adventures to angsty YA teen drama with death and love triangles and secret societies, but it still takes place in goofy British wizard land where people are named Tinkle Bibblebottoms and eavesdrop on people using literal ears on strings. It's so hard to take seriously, and the movies casting good looking and mostly talented actors tricked everyone into ignoring the stupidity.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Really it's only the writing, worldbuilding and messaging that are bad with Harry Potter. I guess that's a problem for a book, but not for a media franchise!

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

:catdrugs:


I've never read a harry potter book and now that the author is a well known pos I won't bother. I saw a couple of the movies years ago out of order and that's about it.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Das Boo posted:

I only ever saw the first HP movie at 13 and thought, "Oh yeah, I can see where kids would love this. It's charming and fun and a little spooky. Little young for me, but I get it!"
It's the adult fanatics I don't get.
It did the thing where the franchise wanted to retain the same audience so the first ones targeted eight year olds, the middle ones targeted teenagers and the last ones targeted twenty-somethings. You get the fanatics because they grew up with it.

You were supposed to be around movie three where people upthread say (I really don't remember) things got less whimsical and more cool for teenagers.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Dec 28, 2023

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost
I've seen all the Harry Potter movies the same way I've seen all the Resident Evil movies. I wouldn't categorize either of them as good, but one made a lovely fascist rich which makes me dislike it more.

Elukka posted:

You get the fanatics because they grew up with it.

The only IRL HP fanatics I've known would be in their early 40s now. The previous comment itt that HP fans are :airquote: liberal :airquote: but unknowingly conservative is really spot on

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

I hope everyone enjoys their chosen fictions.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
I've never really liked Mario Kart games, I didn't really play them with friends as Crash Team Racing was the dominant racer amongst our group but also they are too saccharine and too "everybody gets a medal" for a casual play. It's the top selling switch game by a distance and that's wild to me

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Elukka posted:

It did the thing where the franchise wanted to retain the same audience so the first ones targeted eight year olds, the middle ones targeted teenagers and the last ones targeted twenty-somethings. You get the fanatics because they grew up with it.

You were supposed to be around movie three where people upthread say (I really don't remember) things got less whimsical and more cool for teenagers.

That's a clever approach! And yup, had I been the right age when it started I probably would've been into it. I still really love Home Alone to the point that I can't objectively critique it. Chris Columbus really gets what works for kids.

I should clarify that I don't understand the folks that are 10-20 years older than me that fell into it so hard. Loooootta women in their 40's went to see that last movie.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

hawowanlawow posted:

it would be cool to grow up as a rich kid in a big old timey castle boarding school with wood paneling and poo poo and all you gotta do is show up and they teach you literal magic and then you graduate and get a job making chocolate frogs or some poo poo in a chill old timey European village doing magic instead of working some bullshit job for some rear end in a top hat. that's about it. life obviously loving sucks and it would be way easier and more fun to be British aristocracy a wizard instead

Harry Potter still became a cop though. He probably could have worked making fizzlebop candy at Arsewhistles Magnificent Emporium or whatever, but he became a cop.

Das Boo posted:

Loooootta women in their 40's went to see that last movie.

yeah, but there's a looootta woman in ther forties with paw-print tattoos on their wrist, spotty dresses and goodreads lists with books called things "the stars that we breath" on them.

Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Dec 28, 2023

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!
Double-post

EconDad
Jul 20, 2013

you talkin' to me Sheriff?

oh... I thought you was talkin' to me.




THOSE DAMN ENCHILADAS

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I've never really liked Mario Kart games, I didn't really play them with friends as Crash Team Racing was the dominant racer amongst our group but also they are too saccharine and too "everybody gets a medal" for a casual play. It's the top selling switch game by a distance and that's wild to me

I also do not understand the Mario Kart craze -- at all.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Yellow Submarine. I'm a Beatles fan but that movie bounces off me pretty hard. The art is really nice, but the Beatles barely had anything to do with the movie and most of the songs they recorded for it, save Hey Bulldog, kinda suck (yes, including It's All Too Much). I'd honestly rather watch Magical Mystery Tour. That movie makes no sense to anyone who isn't tripping on acid but the music is good and the Beatles took more than a passing interest in it.

Rogue One. Credit where it's due: linking this movie with A New Hope is one of the freshest ideas in the ST. The scenes with Vader are undeniably cool. They did a great job of nailing the OT/A New Hope visual aesthetic. But that's about where my praise ends. Remember when I said that it felt as though they had built an entire movie on the rickety foundation of "Kirk and Picard have an adventure"? That's this movie as well, but it's even more obvious in RO. All but the last ten minutes or so of the film feel like set dressing - pieces neatly falling into place for the pay off of reaching directly back to the beginning of the 1977 movie.

It's not a bad movie at all, but I think the other ST movies sucked so hard (or at least were so nondescript) that people heaped praise on this movie because it had any personality at all.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
There wasn't a single Bothan in Rogue One. hmmppff :colbert:

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


deep dish peat moss posted:

This is pretty much correct except it handles it even worse than you could imagine based on reading this description.

One of the samurai they go to recruit is a slave who works for a blacksmith. They go to recruit him and the blacksmith says "If he can ride a bird, I'll let him go free". The main character asks him "Can you ride the bird?" and the guy says "Yeah." Then there's a scene of him riding the bird and he joins the group, then doesn't say another word or do anything at all until after the fight at the end.

Another one is a legendary genius general who rebelled against the empire. They find out he's hiding away fighting in a coliseum. The main protagonist flies to the planet, walks up to him and asks him to join and he says "Ughhh I don't want to!" so the protagonist says "But you really should!" and he says "Okay" then joins the group and never says or does anything again until after the fight at the end.

None of them have any sort of introduction or character or personality at all, beyond someone saying "This next guy is a tactical genius!" or whatever. There's no conflict or anything related to recruiting them, it's just the protagonist asking them and they say "sure". Then the protagonist does a 2 minute long karate fight against the antagonist and the movie is over. After the fight at the end the characters actually comment on the fact that it was pointless to recruit them because they weren't needed for the karate fight that resolved everything, which is essentially the only thing they say in the entire movie.

You really, really undersold how comedically overlong the bird flying scene is

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Pennywise the Frown posted:

There wasn't a single Bothan in Rogue One. hmmppff :colbert:

Many of them died to bring us that movie.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



I don't get the love for McDonald's fries. I'm pretty sure it's at least 90% marketing and/or ubiquity. I don't eat much fast food these days but even Wendy's are better than McD's sad, shoestring- width fries.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
I actually liked the Burger King fries when they changed them. Although, it seems all the BKs are closing around here.

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

I don't get the love for McDonald's fries. I'm pretty sure it's at least 90% marketing and/or ubiquity. I don't eat much fast food these days but even Wendy's are better than McD's sad, shoestring- width fries.

They used to soak them in bone marrow or something?? but they are generic now. Wendy’s now holds the French fry crown.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


They used to fry them in beef tallow and now it's just vegetable oil

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Das Boo posted:

I should clarify that I don't understand the folks that are 10-20 years older than me that fell into it so hard. Loooootta women in their 40's went to see that last movie.
Lottery fantasy and high school nostalgia.

syntaxfunction posted:

Really it's only the writing, worldbuilding and messaging that are bad with Harry Potter. I guess that's a problem for a book, but not for a media franchise!
But I was a child, and it's for children, so :smug:

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Pennywise the Frown posted:

There wasn't a single Bothan in Rogue One. hmmppff :colbert:

The "many Bothans died" line is from Return of the Jedi.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

It's Manny Bothans, thank you, please respect his memory and his service.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Beachcomber posted:

The "many Bothans died" line is from Return of the Jedi.

:aaaaa:

Woah. I got my trivia wrong!

Thanks for the correction though. That was bothering me.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

First spider-verse was an unexpected delight with a strong core cast, villain, animation style, and the cameos were a treat without overpowering the main plot.

The sequel felt like they had taken the wrong lesson & decided to copy paste as many versions of Spider-Man they could find on a fandom wiki without regard to pacing or excessive fan service, like weaker Lower Decks episodes tend to do. And those cameos have nothing to do so leads to endless chase sequences & the villain disappearing for long segments. Not even sure if it was originally planned to be so long and needed to be broken into two parts but got sense their refusal to stop cramming more spidermen into scenes bloated the run time.

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost

Zugzwang posted:

Even if you like the humor, Parks and Rec is hard to watch now because it reeks of hopelessly naive early-Obama-era optimism
I'll see your Parks and Rec, and raise you West Wing. I tried to rewatching it during the pandemic. It's just so hopelessly naive and facile in the age of Trump.

Sorkin's recurring 'good, principaled republican' characters are loving laughable now.

deoju fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Dec 30, 2023

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost
The last third of Rogue One channels the essence of Star Wars - WW2 movie in space with evil wizards using laser swords.

but the movie in a whole is trash, mostly because its two separate movies cut together. I'm not suggesting anyone watch its entirety when the Vader scene is on youtube, but it was my background noise movie for a while and its patently obvious where Tony Gilroy came in for reshoots.

its also obvious that Gareth Edwards had a bunch of ideas for Rogue One that got cut which he morphed into The Creator, which is a very pretty and completely nonsensical movie.

kinda wish Disney would make Rogue Squadron and give us full-on WW2 Star Wars.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


West Wing was stupid at the time.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

deoju posted:

I'll see your Parks and Rec, and raise you West Wing. I tried to rewatching it during the pandemic. It's just so hopelessly naive and facile in the age of Trump.

Sorkin's recurring 'good, principaled republican' characters are loving laughable now.
It's idealist liberal porn.

Ratios and Tendency posted:

West Wing was stupid at the time.
Yeah, it was contemporary with GWB's presidency, which began with principled republicans stealing Florida for him in 2000.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



deoju posted:

I'll see your Parks and Rec, and raise you West Wing. I tried to rewatching it during the pandemic. It's just so hopelessly naive and facile in the age of Trump.

Sorkin's recurring 'good, principaled republican' characters are loving laughable now.

If you ever wonder why a lot of liberals think that an impassioned speech will cause the scales to fall from the eyes of a Republican and for that Republican to admit that they were bested in the "marketplace of ideas", it's because of West Wing.

I never watched it but I've heard enough Dollop recaps to be familiar enough with WW to despise that ridiculous series.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Dec 30, 2023

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
If you wanna get mad about Sorkin and his fellating of American institutions, watch The Trial of the Chicago Seven where he actively made the prosecutor secretly sympathetic towards the defendants and morally virtuous to argue that even though it was a disgusting show trial, there were fine people on both sides.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

If you ever wonder why a lot of liberals think that an impassioned speech will cause the scales to fall from the eyes of a Republican and for that Republican to admit that they were bested in the "marketplace of ideas", it's because of West Wing.

I never watched it but I've heard enough Dollop recaps to be familiar enough with WW to despise that ridiculous series.

There's an episode where President Sheen has a debate with a vaguely G.W. Bush repub candidate and owns him so hard with logic and good Democratic talking points that the dub-alike comes up to him and tells him that he wiped the floor with him. Sheen commends him on a well fought battle. It's so loving stupid and unrealistic it circles around to great comedy.

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SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

If you wanna get mad about Sorkin and his fellating of American institutions, watch The Trial of the Chicago Seven where he actively made the prosecutor secretly sympathetic towards the defendants and morally virtuous to argue that even though it was a disgusting show trial, there were fine people on both sides.

Lol i remember hearing someone talk about that and it was legit making me angry

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