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odinson posted:When drafting KTK, what rares (besies fetches) should I keep an eye out for regarding constructed formats? dig through time, hardened scales, jeskai ascendancy, mantis rider, either of the planeswalkers? ugin's nexus or the mill altar are for jank? narset, enlightened master? Already have 4x siege rhinos and the clone/shapeshifter. dig through time exists in some historic/timeless decks only because of orky b, but treasure cruise is strictly better in explorer/pioneer clever impersonator is in the gimmick discover decks and hardened scales is in jank, but both were already on arena every other card you mentioned is trash. KTK is very low EV as far as arena is concerned. kalel fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Dec 31, 2023 |
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How are people building Soldiers for standard rn? it feels like it should be great there's just So Much available, but what to cut?
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drainpipe posted:Another KTK Premier after a week off. This went unsurprisingly 1-3. All the losses were exacerbated by some kind of screw/flood however, which feels a little better. Loss 1, I didn't see my first swamp (of 8) until turn 9. There was a decent chance I could've won had I had drawn it earlier as I had a Sultai Scavenger rotting in my hand that had some decent attacking opportunities. Loss 2, I drew 6 lands in a row to start off before finally drawing something and promptly dying right after. Loss 3, I drew 9 lands and 6 spells so that was probably the most reasonable draw amongst my losses. If one of those spells had been my Crater's Claw, I might've won since they were low enough and I certainly had the mana. I do want to say that I obviously didn't lose purely to variance (other than loss 2) because the deck was just fundamentally underpowered. The few pieces of action I drew were largely unimpactful. Oh well. I think I'll do one more KTK draft next week and that'll be a wrap on the format for me. Not a big fan of having to identify the open lane in terms of both spells and lands, especially if there are 5c drafters around snapping up all the lands. Maybe when I'm a little more experienced, the challenge will be more fun, but I'm still working on drafting spells right now.
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Dec 31, 2023 13:56
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I finally managed to get my standard Anvil deck to Mythic, so I feel like I can declare that the Oni-Cult is minimally viable again - thanks Ojer Axonil! I think I maybe ran into 3 slightly different mirror matches through the whole of plat / diamond, and have had quite a few mouse-hovers over Ojer on the way, so feels fairly unique. Tends to win just by the skin of it's teeth, coming from behind to do 10+ damage in one turn, which is fun. Pumping Ojer with a Thrillseeker / map tokens helps a lot; playing a Epicure for 4+ damage feels like cheating, pumping a Harvester / Soulripper with a Thrillseeker and then sac-ing it has also won a few games. Ob N's devils also work with Ojer, but he's mostly for stabilising health / distracting attacks while the rest of the deck comes together. Usually able to grind out a win vs U/W control which is satisfying even if it takes forever. Deck for the curious - almost certainly not optimised, but works enough: 
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Dec 31, 2023 13:59
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Did Wizards ever explain why Jeskai Ascendancy is absurdly more powerful than the other Ascendancies?
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Dec 31, 2023 16:59
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Jeskai is the best color. Yes I know it's three colors.
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Just saw that Kaladesh Remastered is coming back to Arena for ~a week. 1/2 - 1/9. So I guess I'll ask the same question. Best rares besides the fastlands (I think thats the term?) with the highest chance of seeing constructed play. Disallow (I've seen recently in a UW Lotus Field), Paradoxical outcome, Blue gearhulk, fumigate (probably outclassed these days), scrapheap scrounger, gonti, bomat courier, Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Indomitable Creativity, Hope of Ghirapur, sculpting steel, aetherflux reservoir, panharmonicon(looks like no), paradox engine, skysovereign, planar bridge, metalwork colossus(got a 5-8th place finish in a 19 player Pioneer Tournament in france in july lol)? https://scryfall.com/sets/klr?order=rarity&as=grid Obviously I'm not gonna be able learn and blast through a whole set in a week, so I guess my real follow up question is... What's the best way to find out questions like this. Mtgtop8/search, pick a card, set a date range for results, pick a format, click search button, and then guess if the results are statistically significant. Seems like many of these are one of SB cards while others like gearhulk and creativity you want 3x+
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Dec 31, 2023 18:32
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Shrecknet posted:Did Wizards ever explain why Jeskai Ascendancy is absurdly more powerful than the other Ascendancies?
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Dec 31, 2023 19:04
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Simply Simon posted:In what context? For Limited, all Ascendancies are pretty terrible stats-wise...except Abzan, which is a huge bomb. It's definitely bolstered by Abzan being very good in general, but Jeskai is decidedly fine as a deck but the Ascendancy is, like, actively making your deck worse by including it. Was it ever played in Constructed? Yeah there was both a tokens deck and a combo deck that used it.
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Dec 31, 2023 19:58
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it's a pretty popular combo deck in timeless right now too
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Dec 31, 2023 19:59
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I don’t remember but was Prowess introduced in KTK? It being a new mechanic may have led to undervaluing how good ascendancy was/is.
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odinson posted:Just saw that Kaladesh Remastered is coming back to Arena for ~a week. 1/2 - 1/9. So I guess I'll ask the same question. Best rares besides the fastlands (I think thats the term?) with the highest chance of seeing constructed play. Disallow (I've seen recently in a UW Lotus Field), Paradoxical outcome, Blue gearhulk, fumigate (probably outclassed these days), scrapheap scrounger, gonti, bomat courier, Chandra, Torch of Defiance, Indomitable Creativity, Hope of Ghirapur, sculpting steel, aetherflux reservoir, panharmonicon(looks like no), paradox engine, skysovereign, planar bridge, metalwork colossus(got a 5-8th place finish in a 19 player Pioneer Tournament in france in july lol)? to be honest I don't know if it's worth it to do this unless you play historic brawl (now referred to as simply "brawl") or unless you're working towards a specific deck you know you want to build ahead of time. I would never take indomitable creativity (terrible in limited) over one of the busted commons in a pick 1, and even if the pack sucked and it didn't really matter, I would take it with the idea of committing to building out the rest of pioneer creativity with wildcards, because otherwise it's just going to sit in my collection unused. that card is not being used any other deck, so if you're not into pioneer anyway it's a worthless pickup. conversely, I would always take skysovereign in any pick 1 because it's a bomb that goes in every limited deck, regardless if I need it for pioneer greasefang. quote:Obviously I'm not gonna be able learn and blast through a whole set in a week, so I guess my real follow up question is... normally I would search the set code in scryfall and sort by price to get a rough idea of the usage, i.e. how desirable a card it is, but you can't do that with arena only remasters like KLR since the cards are coded separately from their paper counterparts in scryfall. you could try something like ((set:kld or set:aer) and legal:timeless) and sort by price but you might get the odd include from an anthology or bonus sheet
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Dec 31, 2023 21:01
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I don’t think it’s that unusual for one card of a cycle to be significantly better than the other four.
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Dec 31, 2023 21:01
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It's not remotely unusual, no. I mean, just look at the Praetors, the Invokes, for recent examples.
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Dec 31, 2023 21:30
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man does it feel bad to go 0-3 due to land screw in an 18 land deck (yes, bo1)
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sometimes you go 0-3 and it sucks. i think i go 0-3 more often than many players because i am bad at drafting here's my most recent failure https://www.17lands.com/draft/568f80751d954eca9d6dc45960c28c46 i left 17lands open and went for things with higher pickrate rather than think about synergies or work on what is known to be good, which i think was the major failure. also, i had just gotten blown out in my previous two drafts by "master of the way" so i picked it higher to try it out, went in w a bad 4c deck and died to the mana being bad. i also threw g1 on not realizing an on the board play would let me live. it feels bad to lose gold on conversion like that. i only do f2p, poorly, because i dont like spending money on this i'm not sure what to do, it never feels like i actually get better at limited. like some people just know what good cards are, based on playing a ton. happy new year!
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i also know the key to this is to play more but when playing is tied to a currency i will only play when i can “afford” to
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I think we sometimes forget that Magic really is quite a difficult game, difficult on multiple levels, doubly so with limited. Add in the random element, some of which is quite subtle, and it can be really hard to tell what went wrong, where the mistakes lay, and so hard to learn from. I think eventually with enough time everyone begins to pick up the correct intuition about plays and strategies, but that requires practice and experience, and more to the point, it requires drafts, which aren’t free. So yeah I think people shouldn’t beat themselves up for doing poorly.
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Share Bear posted:sometimes you go 0-3 and it sucks. i think i go 0-3 more often than many players because i am bad at drafting what column of 17lands are you looking at that tells you take Singing Bell Strike?
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Lone Goat posted:what column of 17lands are you looking at that tells you take Singing Bell Strike? its 6th pick and i like it for removal if in blue but the wr on it is bad, i did not consider that
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Jan 1, 2024 06:38
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In a format as slow as KTK, the bell is occasionally even an upside for the enchanted creature.
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I cannot loving wait until KTK limited is over. Draft formats that force you into three colors and open you up to three straight losses due to color screw can go to hell.
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Share Bear posted:
anakha posted:I cannot loving wait until KTK limited is over. Draft formats that force you into three colors and open you up to three straight losses due to color screw can go to hell. 2) alternatively, LCI is still online? Who's forcing you to play Khans?
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Simply Simon posted:Happy new year! Join the Discord and ask people to coach you during a draft. This will help you massively because you get tons of card evaluation information from people who can explain anything you have questions about. It will be a lot more useful for you to understand why a card is bad/good than just knowing the raw stats on it what is the discord link?
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Simply Simon posted:1) just start with a two enemy color deck and then just lightly splash, or don't splash at all? That's the best tactic anyway 1) That's exactly what I did (BW with a G splash for Anafenza and Armament Corps). Didn't stop the RNG shitfest. 2) Having an alternate option isn't the issue. I don't want to spend a week playing limited in one set only because that gets boring fast.
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Share Bear posted:what is the discord link? It's in the op
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I need to break the habit of immediately starting a new draft after a losing streak, especially when I'm tired or too tense. I should take a second to decide whether to continue playing. But often the impulse is to restart right away. I think it's psychologically kind of a sunk cost fallacy. Sorta like in gambling, even if skill's a major part of the equation here.
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Simply Simon posted:Meanwhile, did an LCI trad because the competition was so soft last time I only had Dracosaur live once and they immediately conceded. I even held out for it in two other games - as in, waiting 2-3 turns to bait removal - but they always had yet another one (including one match against the Golgari opp, where they had back-to-back Join the Dead). The real MVP was Sentinel, what an amazing card to just play on T3 and go "yeah so what's your answer?"
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Jan 1, 2024 16:03
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Is there really no way to sort by card styles in my collection? Wouldn’t this encourage people to spend more wildcards, thus making WOTC more money?
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djfooboo posted:Is there really no way to sort by card styles in my collection? Wouldn’t this encourage people to spend more wildcards, thus making WOTC more money? They have improved the UI for cosmetics so much yet it still sucks so loving bad. At least you can favorite them now and once you select shouldn't have to ever again.
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Back in Gold so time to do more LCI Premier https://www.17lands.com/draft/daa00456c7d542e2b09479981ac37d6e I'm not sure I navigated this correctly. Blue was perhaps the most open color, but I also got a lot of strong White cards early, which made me focus on a UW aggro build, but ultimately none of the really necessary pieces for that were there, so it ended up an awkward hybrid. I saw R being suspiciously open with a last pick Tomb Raider being the most obvious signal, but I figured at that point it was a) too late and b) I hadn't actually passed or seen that many good Red cards, and that trend continued. So maybe I stuck to the right lane after all. There was a sadly slightly common issue of getting a pack which was essentially blank - only Jund cards - followed by one with, like, five banger in my colors. Very annoying. Anyway, the end result:  Two hammers with zero Guidewings, Schooner with no creature 1-drops, Landmark necessary for my artifact count, I passed a bunch of Puzzle-Doors and didn't see them wheel - really could be better. Otoh one can just win with 3 Cloud Guards, and I can smoothly transition into a lategame deck with the Mural, just play the landcyclers out, it's not terrible but also not what I would wish it looked like. 1-1 at the moment, lost to someone who had *drumroll* two Guidewings and enough removal for my fliers. They were Orzhov but all the key cards they had were W, by the way, including two Dusk Rose Reliquaries, Tote for the sac material, and flipped Bricks to make the Guidewings deal enough damage so I couldn't pressure with flipped Mural in time.
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I did one this morning. I went 1/3 in RB, after seeing basically no decent cards almost the entire draft. It kinda sucked but like. After the draft it felt inevitable because lol, I had such a middling deck I was lucky even to get the win I got. I hate those ones.
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I haven't played the games yet, but I am confident that this is the best deck I have ever drafted in my 10 or whatever years of playing Magic https://www.17lands.com/draft/1e707e71a0684a3c9289b5d61002ce8a
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Saw on Twitter yesterday -- could be fixed by now -- but the "blueprint" style of Mishra's Bauble was incorrectly priced and was available at 90% off regular pricing.
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I really miss the option the used to have for going into art style mode to see what cards you had styles for. Also for right clicking cards in your deck to go to a style menu. Both really useful. Semi related, but there should be a filter in the card search for cards-already-in-deck. It would be surprisingly useful
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Can confirm that I just opened the app and bought it for 200 gold
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Throwback Kaladesh draft is up! Starting things off right rare-drafting ten rares and two mythics, yippee. Excited to see if the Izzet Artifacts I drafted around that will do anything.
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Throwback Kaladesh draft is up! Starting things off right rare-drafting ten rares and two mythics, yippee. Excited to see if the Izzet Artifacts I drafted around that will do anything. screenshot not loading
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i was just thinking - i wonder what wizards long term plan is with the magic online client. it's so old, but people spent a lot of money on that client, so i assume they can't just shut it down. it does a lot of things better than arena in my opinion, but is also clunky as poo poo.
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