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Gorn Myson posted:He's actually correct that a few of women pundits should be sacked but I'd add that almost all of the men should be too. The bar is so low for that kind of career. Mate, if you think the punditry on English football is grim I beg you to put on Radio Scotland on a Saturday afternoon from 2pm. It's all on the BBC website even if you're a Sassenach. Swear to god the barrier for being able to be on that show isn't even "can string a coherent sentence together", it's just "ex-pro, preferably for one of the Old Firm", even if it was for 8 minutes as a youth player (looking at you Rory Loy) so you get absolute loving barrel scraping barely sentient fuckwits like Peter Grant & Pat Bonner (sorry, Packie Bonner). Bonner is possibly the single worst sports pundit I've heard, his sheer lack of interest in anyone other than Celtic is befuddling. If he only cares about Celtic, fine, but then buy your own ticket to the game, don't get paid to attend by the national broadcaster. And the guy who's host now, Kenny McIntyre, is interested in 2 things, Glasgow Rangers & endless discussions of VAR. Oh my god I miss the days when BBC Scotland were barred from Ibrox. He couldn't host a pissup in a distillery.
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Jan 8, 2024 12:32
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Sanford posted:Hope no-one minds a bit of a ranty self-post. Please feel free to ignore but I’m definitely open to any thoughts anyone has. do you think the fact that you know exactly how many days and hours your colleague has been in the office in the past year might point to maybe you being a little, understandably, miffed by your situation and that it might have resulted in other behaviour that you may not have noticed but that your colleague has found unwelcoming, and that the awkward joke at their expense was simply the final straw for them?
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Jan 8, 2024 12:34
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Back to square one? You mean like a do over?
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Jan 8, 2024 12:56
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time to rehash all the articles of union
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Jan 8, 2024 12:59
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Sanford posted:Hope no-one minds a bit of a ranty self-post. Please feel free to ignore but I’m definitely open to any thoughts anyone has. If it were me I would probably speak to him and ask if there is anything that would help him manage his work better. I guess technically you should speak to your boss about that but it depends on your relationship whether that is going to get him in the poo poo. I do think you've a right to get the help you need doing the work and if he's making your job harder that's a legitimate issue. Just depends really on how you raising that will affect his/your job.
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Jan 8, 2024 13:33
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keep punching joe posted:Back to square one? You mean like a do over? People read his comment and think "gently caress, I didn't even realise that option was on the table!".
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Jan 8, 2024 13:43
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OwlFancier posted:If it were me I would probably speak to him and ask if there is anything that would help him manage his work better. I guess technically you should speak to your boss about that but it depends on your relationship whether that is going to get him in the poo poo. Thanks to you and everyone who replied. The boss says he has had a “very surprising” email from my colleague and they have a decision to make but it’ll be resolved very soon. I asked if it was conciliatory and thanking him for his patience and suggesting ways he can handle these challenges and my boss said “no, the opposite.” I guess he’s accused them of a load of poo poo and asked for a settlement to just gently caress off. There’s no chance he’d get anywhere with a tribunal but I’d certainly be inclined to pay him, if the loving off was guaranteed.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:08
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I'm sure he was moaning the other week about Isa Guha commentating on the cricket. Now, what Joey Barton knows about cricket is anyone's guess, Isa is a fantastic commentator, very knowledgeable about the game. Bellend.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:15
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OwlFancier posted:If it were me I would probably speak to him and ask if there is anything that would help him manage his work better. I guess technically you should speak to your boss about that but it depends on your relationship whether that is going to get him in the poo poo. In the nicest possible way, you seem to not have good instincts for corporate survival. All communication with this person from now on should be business-essential and documentable.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:21
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I mean yeah that is why I said you should probably talk to your boss about it if you don't give a poo poo what happens to the dude.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:22
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Sanford posted:Thanks to you and everyone who replied. The boss says he has had a “very surprising” email from my colleague and they have a decision to make but it’ll be resolved very soon. I asked if it was conciliatory and thanking him for his patience and suggesting ways he can handle these challenges and my boss said “no, the opposite.” I guess he’s accused them of a load of poo poo and asked for a settlement to just gently caress off. There’s no chance he’d get anywhere with a tribunal but I’d certainly be inclined to pay him, if the loving off was guaranteed. Very similar circumstances about 20 years ago though the guy had been with the company years, I inherited him following a reorganisation. He went off sick eventually. The company at the time would pay full wages for the first 6 months of sick then 6 months on half pay. BUT if the person came in off sick even for 1 day (and didn't last the day) the clock would reset and he'd get another 6 months on full pay which we got wind was his grand plan. Our company doctor said he wasn't fit to return to work, which was great, then one day the usual doctor was on leave and the guy saw a substitute doctor who assumed we wanted the guy back and suggested a 'back to work plan' which would have suited our man greatly as he could come in for a couple of hours on day one of 'return to work' and then get another 6 months full pay. Meanwhile, I had a job in the team that needed doing he was the only person doing that particular job - and it wasn't getting done and I wasn't allowed to get cover in. To cut a long story short, we paid him £20k to go away (that would be about £35k now).
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Jan 8, 2024 14:23
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Very similar circumstances about 20 years ago though the guy had been with the company years, I inherited him following a reorganisation. He went off sick eventually. The company at the time would pay full wages for the first 6 months of sick then 6 months on half pay. BUT if the person came in off sick even for 1 day (and didn't last the day) the clock would reset and he'd get another 6 months on full pay which we got wind was his grand plan. Our company doctor said he wasn't fit to return to work, which was great, then one day the usual doctor was on leave and the guy saw a substitute doctor who assumed we wanted the guy back and suggested a 'back to work plan' which would have suited our man greatly as he could come in for a couple of hours on day one of 'return to work' and then get another 6 months full pay. Meanwhile, I had a job in the team that needed doing he was the only person doing that particular job - and it wasn't getting done and I wasn't allowed to get cover in. To cut a long story short, we paid him £20k to go away (that would be about £35k now). Lmao that's the kind of grift that tories could only dream of
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Jan 8, 2024 14:24
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There was a lass at my old place who was off sick 90% of the time. Dunno what she got out of it cos we didn't get sick pay.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:25
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Microplastics posted:Lmao that's the kind of grift that tories could only dream of Honestly, good for him.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:26
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Wachter posted:I'm sure the guy has genuine problems but this is a totally rancid way to behave towards anyone, let alone a colleague who's been keeping him afloat for a year. If anything him now making a lovely complaint about you will often be the final nail in him getting the boot as management will now be terrified you walk off to another company leaving them with the person that just never comes in as their only trained resource. It sounds like he came back to a 'we're going to do something about this' chat with HR and was reaching for things to fling at them to try and get out of it. 'My colleagues make it impossible to come to work' etc. It wont fly.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:30
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Sanford posted:Hope no-one minds a bit of a ranty self-post. Please feel free to ignore but I’m definitely open to any thoughts anyone has. Well, it could vary wildly depending on the size of a company (anybody can be the CEO of their own one man band), but generally a CEO/Managing Director of any multi departmental company will just want poo poo to run while they focus on whatever they need to do. They also tend to not have much time or patience for "bullshit' from my experience. That "bullshit" being anything from banal small talk to mild disruptions to the company work flow/bottom line. Chances are this guy is already on the CEOs shitlist for getting paid to not be at work (even if he's not allowed to say it). Being directly approached with a nebulous claim isn't going to make him seem more endearing. Occams razoring this situation, you provide results, this guy doesn't, the CEO will be aware of this and not risk losing your effective resource to give the risky one preferential treatment. If the other guy keeps this up, expect him to be managed out of the business. Edit: if the call hasn't happened yet, it'll likely just be about getting your side of things and an understanding of the general departmental situation and this guys general workplace demeanor. Kin fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Jan 8, 2024 15:09
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Wachter posted:I firmly believe that the last thought that flashed through that dude's mind before his alveoli dissolved into ketchup was "I hope to Christ there's never a woman on Match of the Day" It's true, but first he had to hope that the BBC will be established a decade later, and that TV will be invented a few years after that, and that Match of the Day will be created in 50 years. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Jan 8, 2024 15:21
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Brendan Rodgers posted:It's true, but first he had to hope that the BBC will be estabalished a decade later, and that TV will be invented a few years after that, and that Match of the Day will be created in 50 years. He was truly a remarkable prognosticator and I can see why Joey wants to honour his memory
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Jan 8, 2024 15:35
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Gotta be impressed that this guy was clearly deliberately trying to antagonise you into saying something actionable only to have gotten so frustrated with your patience that he had to make a mountain out of a molehill. I base this on him having that email loving primed and ready to go, by the way. Seems very much like the kind of person with a history of trying this poo poo.
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Jan 8, 2024 15:48
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Also my great grandfather also got gassed in WW1 and my grandfather fought in WW2 and so I win this game of top trumps Mr Barton and proclaim you a stupid oval office.
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Jan 8, 2024 15:50
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Failed Imagineer posted:In the nicest possible way, you seem to not have good instincts for corporate survival. All communication with this person from now on should be business-essential and documentable. I agree with this, the moment this guy made an official complaint against you, he put his cards on the table and you should document everything from this point forward. Make contemporaneous notes of every missed day, every conversation you have with him and ensure that if it ever comes down to he said vs. you said, you have detailed notes to back you up.
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Jan 8, 2024 16:31
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Does your office have anything to prove time clocked in and out? Not expecting you to have punchcards but even security cam footage of in/out time can be useful.
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Jan 8, 2024 16:43
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The company is run by an Indian family, the CEO and his two nephews as software director and finance director. They are very aware of my colleagues timekeeping, I work from home but for a handful of days a month so it’s normally them telling me he’s not in or not online, not me letting them know. For clarity, the “very surprising” email he sent to the boss was yesterday (after his extra week of holiday), prior to him complaining about me this morning. Apparently the complaint doesn’t matter much and it’ll be resolved soon, so I’m pretty sure he’s asked for a payout and they’re considering it. I guess “and now Sanford is picking on me” was just something else to throw on the pile.
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Jan 8, 2024 17:39
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They knew about it for this long and said nothing? That's pretty... interesting. Hope it works out for you either way. Unrelated: lmao https://twitter.com/pacarnahan/status/1744317977099374633
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Jan 8, 2024 17:41
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keep punching joe posted:Back to square one? You mean like a do over? Sanford posted:I guess “and now Sanford is picking on me” was just something else to throw on the pile. When I was signed off (for physical issues, although I do also have anxiety and depression problems) I spent the whole time worrying the rest of the team hated me for letting them down and leaving them a person short. When I finally went back in to sign some forms, I was an anxiety riddled mess and what in retrospect was a gentle jab from someone who'd been a good friend had me hosed up and terrified of going back for weeks. E: I was signing the forms so I could go to university instead, but still. I had already decided I didn't want to go back and just being there had me at 8/10 on my panic scale. Anxiety is brain wrongness, don't try and analyse it as if there's any reasonable mechanism or good outcome possible when it's in full swing. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Jan 8, 2024 17:53
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As somebody who suffers from extreme anxiety I have to say it's a bit disappointing that the thread seems to be going off on one about what an arsehole this guy is, based on not very much. Obviously this is causing some hardship for Sanford and that's not good but I can certainly believe that if the shoe was on the other foot and somebody was in here saying they suffer from anxiety and have been having difficulty at work and they went in and some guy made a snarky comment and laughed at them* then the thread would be telling them they should report that person to the bosses and maybe try to find a way to leave the company and if possible get a nice little payout out of it. *I'm not saying that Sanford did anything wrong here BUT as an anxiety sufferer, if he's having a bad day, it can be difficult to not take things like this personally even if Sanford didn't mean anything by it (which, to be very clear, I do believe). Honestly it's all a bit close to Tory benefit/work assessment bullshit. Particularly like "What he's got anxiety that means he can't work, but he can go straight to the bosses and report this?!" or whatever. Probably just start at a default of believing that people who suffer from mental health problems aren't lying about it.
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Jan 8, 2024 18:52
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It’s worth emphasising that Joey Barton isn’t just a bit of a oval office - he’s one of the worst people to be in the public eye maybe ever in terms of character and personality. He once ended a promising youth players career by stubbing a cigar out in his eye for a laugh. That sucks too Sanford. I don’t have much advice beyond what’s already been said but good luck with it all, sounds like he’s dug his own grave at least.
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Jan 8, 2024 19:04
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Oh poo poo!
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Jan 8, 2024 19:18
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if I had mental health difficulties to the point that I was spending two-thirds of a year off sick, I would quit my job and find something less stressful
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Jan 8, 2024 19:27
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I think generally if you have those sorts of difficulties it is actually being alive that is the difficult part.
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Jan 8, 2024 19:28
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Lt. Danger posted:if I had mental health difficulties to the point that I was spending two-thirds of a year off sick, I would quit my job and find something less stressful as someone who has been in that position i wish it were that easy when you also have bills to pay. considering trying to apply for jobs and wrestling with the DWP, while your confidence & functionality are in the shitter, makes staying in a lovely job seem like the least worse option that said, i do have sympathy for Sanford, it's a lovely position to find oneself in, buti hope this other guy finds a better place to be also
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Jan 8, 2024 19:32
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WhatEvil posted:the thread seems I reckon you should quote individuals because this kind of bucketing is usually what causes the thread to do a wobbly
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Jan 8, 2024 19:35
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smellmycheese posted:Oh poo poo!  Today is suddenly a bit nicer.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:10
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Microplastics posted:I reckon you should quote individuals because this kind of bucketing is usually what causes the thread to do a wobbly Maybe the rest of you dickheads, but not me!
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Jan 8, 2024 20:11
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Lt. Danger posted:if I had mental health difficulties to the point that I was spending two-thirds of a year off sick, I would quit my job and find something less stressful
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Jan 8, 2024 20:11
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sebzilla posted:Maybe the rest of you dickheads, but not me! Lol But the thread does do a wobbly! Even if someone isn't participating!
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Jan 8, 2024 20:13
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Just Another Lurker posted:
Turns out the person who said there were tapes later said she'd been making it up so the headline is kind of clickbaity.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:29
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I’m the best behaved UKMT poster and anyone who disagrees is a loving oval office
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Jan 8, 2024 20:31
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Jakabite posted:I’m the best behaved UKMT poster and anyone who disagrees is a loving oval office Is that like being a Millwall supporter?
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Jan 8, 2024 20:54
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I feel like ‘should the wrongly convicted have their convictions overturned’ should be the easiest question in the world to answer, especially for a ‘former human rights lawyer’ but maybe that’s why I’m not the leader of the Labour Party. https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1744312307188891936?s=46&t=lz1DjwUk2vgFTdWPPaLwfA
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