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Bel Shazar posted:No, I believe you'll find that was called "Reconstruction" Actually. It's little a slavery
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Cheesus posted:Constitutional amendment to change 3/5th compromise to 2/5th. That's a more extreme stance against the South than Lincoln ever actually took
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The Lord of Hats posted:I know that it’s Trump and he just Says poo poo without even pretending to have thought behind it and follow l-up questions would be pointless, It is the same as his plan to end the Russia Ukraine invasion and war in 24 hours. “May I SEE the plan?” *….No.*
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GlyphGryph posted:That's a more extreme stance against the South than Lincoln ever actually took That would actually be bad for the south. The south wanted slaves to be counted as full people to increase their representation in congress.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:58
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GlyphGryph posted:... yes, that is why I said that? Seems like allowing slavery, but reducing the congressional representation of slaves by 20% is not as bad of an outcome for the south than the civil war.
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Austin's elective surgery didn't NECESSARILY need to be embarrassing. An elective surgery can be something like, "I can walk fine, but my knee loving hurts all the time; give me surgery to make my knee not hurt." He's also a big dude and 70 years old so his doctor may have recommended bariatric surgery, if he was having complications from his obesity. Being that tall puts a lot of extra stress on your heart. Of course, it'd be way more fun if it was cosmetic and embarrassing. I have faith in the House GOP to get to the bottom of this important issue. Xiahou Dun posted:Wearing his thumbs down to nubs, one tweet at a time. 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Seems like allowing slavery, but reducing the congressional representation of slaves by 20% is not as bad of an outcome for the south than the civil war. It is a worse deal than the one that convinced them to start the war, so they wouldn't have seen it that way. The south started the civil war specifically because they were worried that they no longer had the political power to forestall future attempts to limit slavery. Guaranteeing it was not going to somehow be seen as a positive alternative. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Jan 8, 2024 23:14
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The U.S. Department of Labor is set to announce a new rule that requires gig economy workers to legally be considered employees - with all the required legal protections, tax requirements, and benefits - if they are "economically dependent" on the company providing the gig. It will certainly face a legal challenge right away. They will likely challenge based on the lack of a clear legal definition of what "economically dependent" means with regards to an employee. https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/1744474173273965027 quote:Biden administration to unveil contractor rule set to upend gig economy
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Those sound like pretty common tests in any determination of whether someone's an employee or contractor(unemployment insurance is the one I'm most familiar with). I guess the hard part is it's almost always a case-by-case thing
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Xiahou Dun posted:Motherfucker typed north of 5k words on twitter. Holy poo poo. Apparently he mentioned the whole thing involving his wife as a professor at MIT forcing her students to give her students the gift of orbs to a wealthy donor to her department, one Jeffrey Epstein. Then he, unprompted, mentioned that his wife did not have a sexual relationship with an actor, who turned out to be Brad Pitt, in Ackman's own words.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The U.S. Department of Labor is set to announce a new rule that requires gig economy workers to legally be considered employees - with all the required legal protections, tax requirements, and benefits - if they are "economically dependent" on the company providing the gig. I wonder if this will have effects outside of the Ubers and Lyfts, and to other "independent contractor in name only" jobs. Like strippers.
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ummel posted:I wonder if this will have effects outside of the Ubers and Lyfts, and to other "independent contractor in name only" jobs. Like strippers. One of the tests under the rule is if the business makes all or nearly all of their revenue from the contractors. I'm not sure about the economics of strip clubs, but it seems like if the dancers work there most days of the week or can't dance at other clubs, then it would. I don't think that strippers traditionally work 4-5 days a week or are penalized for dancing other places/have an exclusivity rule, but maybe some do. The biggest areas that would be impacted by the rule are app-based employers, the tech industry that has "perma-contract" employees, and 1099 sales jobs. It will also do a number on employers like the WWE (even though WWE wrestlers aren't that many people in total) where the staff are all technically contract employees. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Since all the Republican candidates seem to be making weird civil war statements this week, Trump has decided to stay very on-brand and claims that he could have prevented the civil war if he was President at the time by making a deal with the south and that Lincoln made a huge mistake. quote:Trump said. “He would have been president, but he would have been president, and he wouldn’t have been the Abraham Lincoln.
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Jan 9, 2024 00:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:"Elective surgery," so not necessarily cosmetic, but it was not something medically necessary. Elective surgeries are often medically necessary, just not an immediate emergency. Cancer treatments are elective surgeries, for example.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Elective surgeries are often medically necessary, just not an immediate emergency. Cancer treatments are elective surgeries, for example. Yes, but it was not a scenario where he had an unexpected emergency that was medically necessary. It wasn't some kind of sudden unplanned issue that would explain why he didn't tell anyone about it.
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The Secretary of Defense had elective surgery (days before Christmas???) and was hospitalized Jan 1 and the President didn't know about it til Jan 4th. The secretary of defense only transferred some of his authority to his deputy, who was out on vacation. Absolute poo poo show and probably gonna blow up more as more comes out.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, but it was not a scenario where he had an unexpected emergency that was medically necessary. It wasn't some kind of sudden unplanned issue that would explain why he didn't tell anyone about it. I could see a scenario where a slot opened up for a very busy doctor that day and he figured he'd be out half a day or so. The prominent surgeons are booked solid for months and if you get offered a window on short notice due to a cancellation you take it. I know nothing about this situation so that's just a hypothetical generalization.
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MixMasterMalaria posted:I could see a scenario where a slot opened up for a very busy doctor that day and he figured he'd be out half a day or so. The prominent surgeons are booked solid for months and if you get offered a window on short notice due to a cancellation you take it. I know nothing about this situation so that's just a hypothetical generalization. He's a retired 4-star Army General. He gets all his treatment done at Walter Reed and wouldn't be shopping for prominent surgeons.
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He would of the buy the slaves, send them to Africa as a "compromise"
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Mooseontheloose posted:He would of the buy the slaves, send them to Africa as a "compromise" Lincoln tried repeatedly to offer compensated emancipation as a way to encourage the border states to phase out slavery. He was rebuffed at pretty much every turn by them, and those were the states that didn't secede!
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Mooseontheloose posted:He would of the buy the slaves, send them to Africa as a "compromise" This is unironically something Lincoln offered the South. Except he wanted to resettle them in the Caribbean/Haiti. They ran a voluntary pilot program and sent 450 people there with free houses and land. He also offered to just buy the freedom of all slaves in the south in several other different ways and the south rejected the offers every time.
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Young Freud posted:Apparently he mentioned the whole thing involving his wife as a professor at MIT forcing her students to give her students the gift of orbs to a wealthy donor to her department, one Jeffrey Epstein. I do not know if these words were supposed to be in some different order but I feel like I am having a stroke reading this and am having trouble processing the meaning.
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Mooseontheloose posted:He would of the buy the slaves, send them to Africa as a "compromise" that reminds me, I need to finish the Behind the Bastardses on Liberia
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He's a retired 4-star Army General. He gets all his treatment done at Walter Reed and wouldn't be shopping for prominent surgeons. Ah well disregard my conjecture then.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He's a retired 4-star Army General. He gets all his treatment done at Walter Reed and wouldn't be shopping for prominent surgeons. While it is true he is eligible to get his care at DoD facilities, he does not have to. He can use his TriCare insurance as well as pay cash in the community and get care from any doc who will accept TriCare, or his cash.
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It's a complete fantasy that you could have 'negotiated' a way out of Civil War. Civil War was baked into the Constitution from day one, and even back then the Founders knew it. Prior to the Civil War, there were decades of violence due to various failed political attempts to preserve a country that had both slave and free states. It was absolutely never going to work. The South was also never going to agree to free the slaves, even if they were compensated, because the entire Southern economy was based on involuntary labor.
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Zwabu posted:While it is true he is eligible to get his care at DoD facilities, he does not have to. He can use his TriCare insurance as well as pay cash in the community and get care from any doc who will accept TriCare, or his cash. Also the VA contracts all kinds of things related to elective procedures. Like rotator cuff repairs to ortho.
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Morrow posted:Many of them don't have real interactions, in person, with someone who isn't also a billionaire or dependent on them for status/income. So the novelty of getting told to screw themselves by some random person is thrilling. Ackman is something of an anomaly, having spent his entire adult life marinating in the factual proof of "no bad publicity", "sucker born every minute", "Market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" PT Barnum greatest hits but then nevertheless insisted on losing billions betting against the obvious pyramid scam Herbalife, I don't think he's ever gotten over it
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Since all the Republican candidates seem to be making weird civil war statements this week, Trump has decided to stay very on-brand and claims that he could have prevented the civil war if he was President at the time by making a deal with the south and that Lincoln made a huge mistake. saying "I coulda made a deal with the south" instead of "I coulda made a deal with the north" may actually be a fatal error for him. Signal boost this quote to as many chuds as you possibly can, he admits he's one of them
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No matter the medical circumstances there is no possible situation where the SecDef being incapacitated for any length of time should not notify the national security council/president. None. He is part of the nuclear response chain for one but regardless he is still the secretary of defense at a time with a lot of poo poo going on in the world. It's just not acceptable regardless of how it went down.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's a complete fantasy that you could have 'negotiated' a way out of Civil War. Civil War was baked into the Constitution from day one, and even back then the Founders knew it. Prior to the Civil War, there were decades of violence due to various failed political attempts to preserve a country that had both slave and free states. It was absolutely never going to work. The South was also never going to agree to free the slaves, even if they were compensated, because the entire Southern economy was based on involuntary labor. I recently had a discussion with my dad about his belief Lincoln is one of the few great men of history, because of the theory that only Lincoln (due to his frontier upbringing) was willing to spill the blood off hundreds of thousands to preserve the union instead of working out some sort of EU style multinational compromise with the South once they actually seceded .I don't think he's right but it's an interesting counter factual to think about
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From what I understand, Lincoln would have done some kind of deal if it would have kept the union together, but by the time he got into office that ship had sailed. He did not enter office intending to free the slaves and was not anything close to a hardcore abolitionist at the time.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Seems like allowing slavery, but reducing the congressional representation of slaves by 20% is not as bad of an outcome for the south than the civil war. Lincoln and the North didn’t start the civil war though, the South did. The South could’ve stood pat and it’s incredibly unlikely that the North would’ve had the political capital to ban slavery in the short or even medium term, and even less likely they would’ve formed armies to go enforce it. You probably would’ve eventually seen a wind down of slavery but probably not during Lincoln’s Presidency at least. The Civil War was one of the biggest self-owns in history.
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trevorreznik posted:I recently had a discussion with my dad about his belief Lincoln is one of the few great men of history, because of the theory that only Lincoln (due to his frontier upbringing) was willing to spill the blood off hundreds of thousands to preserve the union instead of working out some sort of EU style multinational compromise with the South once they actually seceded .I don't think he's right but it's an interesting counter factual to think about Once the South seceded, war was inevitable. Preserving the Union wasn't just about bringing the Southern states back into the fold, it was about asserting the principle that the people who lose an election still have to abide by the laws passed by the people who won the election. If the secessionists had been allowed to simply back out of the Union because they didn't like the result of an election, then the Union as a whole would have been on a road to inevitable collapse. Because every election is going to have a loser, and the democracy club can't function if the losers immediately quit the club to spite the winners. There were plenty of politicians (mostly Southerners and Southern-sympathizers) who advocated offering generous deals to prevent secession, but once the states did secede, the federal government couldn't leave them be.
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Panzeh posted:So, there was talking in the runup to the war of something called the Crittendon Compromise. Trump has absolutely no idea what the Crittenden Compromise was, who John Crittenden was, etc. He knows a few key words, one of them being “negotiations”, and just talks word salad around those words while his weird cult followers eat it up. There’s zero substance, somehow negative substance in whatever that poo poo was Trump said.
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The South was run by a bunch of reactionaries absolutely convinced that the Feds were two days away from implementing tyranny that would make Napoleon blush in order to free their slaves and probably arm them to do a Haiti on the whites. Trump isn't actually wrong per se that there was a possibility of a negotiated solution to the issue of slavery, it's just that it would have had to be the South that changed what they were asking for and expecting, not the North. They could have taken any of a number of offers for compensated manumission or other solutions that didn't involve shots fired and which were far too generous, but idiot reactionaries aren't known for accepting favorable compromises because they think they deserve to be dictating terms. Northerners had little desire to kill and die for the sake of the slaves, but to preserve the Union against secessionist traitors? Yeah, then you've got everyone from farmboys in Iowa to Irish kids from Boston and New York fully united in believing that they needed to get their poo poo pushed in. They only avoided the total catastrophe their actions, morals, and ultimate defeat warranted because the North didn't go ham on them and didn't enforce Reconstruction for the decades it would have taken. More evidence of how dumb the war was from their perspective; after they fought it and lost they were still entirely able to maintain their status and wealth as a class and find plenty of new ways to get cheap labor and keep blacks oppressed. Imagine the settlement they could have gotten themselves if they'd sat down for serious discussion instead of getting loving wrecked.
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Ms Adequate posted:Northerners had little desire to kill and die for the sake of the slaves, but to preserve the Union against secessionist traitors? Yeah, then you've got everyone from farmboys in Iowa to Irish kids from Boston and New York fully united in believing that they needed to get their poo poo pushed in. Yep, it was on this kind of language that Lincoln managed to get the war effort rolling. Even if Lincoln had wanted to push for emancipation in 1860(which he absolutely did not), there was a precisely zero percent chance he could have used it as a rallying cry for war because at that point most of the north would not have supported it. Keeping the Union intact with force of arms was palatable to almost everyone, even people who had sympathies to the south but were opposed to disunion, especially the crucially important border states. Emancipation got increasingly popular as time went on because even northerners who were neutral on the issue of slavery or disliked black people personally recognized that an official policy of emancipation was enormously damaging to the south, both militarily(every slave freed is one less slave working in southern farms/factories or doing logistics work for their armies) and diplomatically(the hostility of Britain to slavery was a primary reason for why Britain remained neutral for most of the war, alongside Britain not wanting to set an international precedent regarding breaking blockades), but the original premise of the war was 100% about strangling the concept of secession in the crib.
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tigersklaw posted:Trump has absolutely no idea what the Crittenden Compromise was, who John Crittenden was, etc. He knows a few key words, one of them being “negotiations”, and just talks word salad around those words while his weird cult followers eat it up. There’s zero substance, somehow negative substance in whatever that poo poo was Trump said. Sounds to me like that’s exactly what he was talking about : quote:“That would have been OK; it would have been a thing—I know it very well, I know the whole process that they went through and they just couldn’t get along and that would have been something they could have negotiated and they wouldn’t have had that problem,” he continued. The man graduated from an Ivy League university, obviously he is aware of basic American history.
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He very clearly thought it was the most interesting thing in the world that the Republican party were the ones that freed the slaves, and brought it up every time he could like he was bringing fire down to humans. Dude has a rural white kid in Mississippi's understanding of the War of Northern Aggression. He went to rich people networking place, he didn't actually study poo poo.
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