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U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Jort Fortress posted:

Tried going through Sesame Care to get Pax today and mentioned ADHD as a risk factor for long COVID. The doc for some reason took this personally and kept aggressively asking "where did you read this?? I've read the opposite! What study did you get this from??".

I responded "the fed govt is recommending Paxlovid. Didn't realize I'd need to come prepared to argue for why I need it?" and he said "Oh no, I'm calling it in for you. I just want to know where you read this!", but still in an aggro, condescending tone. Very normal doctor!

it's because your doctor has ADHD

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U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Precambrian Video Games posted:

Gonna post this in i hate cars eventually but in the meantime ahhhhhh:

Nevada's casinos were allowed to reopen on June 4, 2020, with restrictions.


lmao

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

U-DO Burger posted:

it's because your doctor has ADHD

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003




is that guy still in charge of the doctors for single payer health care group or whatever because if so lol

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i think beyond like "wide spread brain damage" the bad driving after covid can best be explained by just how apparent it became that the social contract is threadbare and everyone is on their own.

also most people are pretty much entirely untrained drivers who don't really know what they're supposed to be doing on the road, they copy whoever is infront of them and maybe rote memorize driving tips their parents drilled in or a friend showed them and that's it, and that's the 'model' drivers who manage to just like, not use their phones while they drive
there was never anything protecting against people loving up, there was never a real licensing system in the us that makes someone demonstrate they aren't just going to make things more dangerous for everyone before it hands them a license to drive anything they want
covid made things worse but people weren't able to operate cars safely before that

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

FirstnameLastname posted:

also most people are pretty much entirely untrained drivers who don't really know what they're supposed to be doing on the road, they copy whoever is infront of them and maybe rote memorize driving tips their parents drilled in or a friend showed them and that's it, and that's the 'model' drivers who manage to just like, not use their phones while they drive
there was never anything protecting against people loving up, there was never a real licensing system in the us that makes someone demonstrate they aren't just going to make things more dangerous for everyone before it hands them a license to drive anything they want
covid made things worse but people weren't able to operate cars safely before that

yeah
also everyone is looking at their phones now, like that's a problem we have done absolutely nothing to mitigate since the widespread adoption of smartphones and it's only gotten worse.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

FirstnameLastname posted:

also most people are pretty much entirely untrained drivers who don't really know what they're supposed to be doing on the road, they copy whoever is infront of them and maybe rote memorize driving tips their parents drilled in or a friend showed them and that's it, and that's the 'model' drivers who manage to just like, not use their phones while they drive

this is every task in public for a large portion of people, part of why we're so bad at dealing with change. Almost every person is pegged in the red zone on mental resources navigating an already hellish society, throwing any wrench in the gears tips them directly into coping strategies and flustered panic

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i think beyond like "wide spread brain damage" the bad driving after covid can best be explained by just how apparent it became that the social contract is threadbare and everyone is on their own.

This is it right here, I think covid-induced brain damage is a thing and it's going to become a larger and larger problem, but it's going to take a few years still, like when the average person is on five or six infections. But even people who don't take covid seriously, who aren't taking any precautions and never did, understand the subtext of the pandemic is that nobody is going to help you so you might as well Get Yours.

This post is definitely not inspired by two cars in particular that tried to kill me this morning.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i think beyond like "wide spread brain damage" the bad driving after covid can best be explained by just how apparent it became that the social contract is threadbare and everyone is on their own.

Dumb question here but aren't driving accidents really common in Russia? Just wondering if there was a big spike in traffic deaths around the collapse of the USSR.

hamas ftw
Nov 25, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

U-DO Burger posted:

Dumb question here but aren't driving accidents really common in Russia? Just wondering if there was a big spike in traffic deaths around the collapse of the USSR.

Anecdotal evidence is that social collapse in the old Soviet countries caused a huge amount of self medicating that had a lot of knock on effects especially on traffic safety.

hamas ftw
Nov 25, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

U-DO Burger posted:

it's because your doctor has ADHD

of course he does, he caught covid

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Strep Vote posted:

Anecdotal evidence is that social collapse in the old Soviet countries caused a huge amount of self medicating that had a lot of knock on effects especially on traffic safety.

anecdotal evidence being "the experience of every single person living in every part of the former soviet union"

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Insanite posted:

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.

tell him he has got it all wrong: the covid vaccine makes you gay. it is the other vaccines that weaken your immune system

shazbot
Sep 20, 2004
Ah, hon, ya got arby's all over my acoustic wave machine.

Insanite posted:

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.

ask him for his thoughts on immunity debt. won’t help anything but maybe the cognitive dissonance will reboot his brain

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.




the sale of vodka was heavily curtailed, bordering on prohibition, from 85-88. soviet financial regorms were allowed in 89, which is what started the real shitstorm economically there. 1992 was full-on shock therapy liberalism. bad timing!!

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Noticed my work buddy's been out a while. Yup. Young guy, knocked flat on his rear end for a week.

Covid, as we all know, is over.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Insanite posted:

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.

Does like your ninth grade science class count just say "that's not how the immune system works"

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Insanite posted:

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.

There aren't "resources" for that because it's not an evidence-based position.

E: like I dunno what you're hoping to find to counteract this. All the many, many studies about the reduction in transmission or clinical severity after getting vaxed? "It helps your immune system fight the virus y/n" was the study endpoint for every vaccine trial that wasn't just about safety (which, by the way, would also probably have caught it if the shots compromised your immune system since that would be Very Bad for all kinds of other reasons). If you've already adopted a total counterfactual as your position, you've already decided out the idea of empiricism or critical rationalism as a basis for making decisions. He's probably mainlining youtube videos by the english ivermectin man at this point.

Unfortunately you can't individually argue against someone who has gone full propaganda brain, he has to want to see evidence to see it.

The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 22:34 on Jan 10, 2024

kazmeyer
Jul 26, 2001

'Cause we're the good guys.

Moth juice acquired. I was planning on doing it before the end of the year and kind of forgot, then half my extended family got COVID-- again-- so I was reminded. (Funny how they can't seem to connect the semi-constant albeit good-natured ribbing about how I won't eat at restaurants and wear a mask with me being the only person they know who's never gotten got.) Was kind of worried since I switched insurance on 1/1 and yeah, my new plan has a much more restricted network of places I can go (in exchange for being super cheap) so Costco was out. Luckily, Publix is in their pharma network, Publix has Novavax, and the cost was zero dollars so it's time to RIDE THE SNAKE. Hurt like hell going in and for about two minutes after the shot, but so far I can't report any desires to crash into bright light sources yet.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

kazmeyer posted:

(..)
I can't report any desires to crash into bright light sources yet.

Of course not, don't be absurd. That doesn't happen until after the pupal stage.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

The Oldest Man posted:

There aren't "resources" for that because it's not an evidence-based position.

Unfortunately you can't individually argue against someone who has gone full propaganda brain, he has to want to see evidence to see it.

yeah, it sucks. he’s very smart about certain things. absolutely not this one.

why are people like this~~

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Insanite posted:

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.
this might help, idk: it takes a couple of weeks for the antibodies to develop post-vaccination. bunch of studies about this, just picking one at random from 2022

Ward et al. (2022) Population antibody responses following COVID-19 vaccination in 212,102 individuals

has this nice picture of what's happening to antibody levels post-vaccination



so before those antibodies have developed it's not that his immune system is weakened it's just working as it would have without vaccination, i.e. not particularly effectively because of how good COVID is at immune evasion

(also doesn't help that the present variant / vaccine combination means immunity is a coinflip)

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
did this preprint get discussed? damage equivalent to ~20 years of aging in hospitalised cases. and damage is ongoing after one year.

https://twitter.com/gkwood3/status/1744650527038754861

seems very bad! a lot of people walking around with extremely hosed up brains. and then there's the covid damage :dadjoke:

no but really, uh, yikes. even if you assume non-hospitalised cases might only get a fraction of that equivalent aging damage, if it's ongoing, and you're getting rolled 2+ times a year, what does this poo poo look like in 10 years? might look like increased road accidents, poor test scores etc. etc.

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Went to Costco and bought up food for everyone at home while they're staying inside for now. You know how they have those rotating endcaps right at the entrance? They were all filled with pills and vitamins which like yeah make sense they always would be pushing those immune system crap since it's the season like vitamin C or stuff like that.

But no I took a closer look and it was nothing but stuff like fish oils, turmeric, CoQ10, and some vague heart health supplements. I don't know who you are, but whomever is reading this thread, keep up the good works.

Pink Mist
Sep 28, 2021

Mola Yam posted:

in 10 years? might look like increased road accidents, poor test scores etc. etc.

faster than expected

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

NeonPunk posted:

Went to Costco and bought up food for everyone at home while they're staying inside for now. You know how they have those rotating endcaps right at the entrance? They were all filled with pills and vitamins which like yeah make sense they always would be pushing those immune system crap since it's the season like vitamin C or stuff like that.

But no I took a closer look and it was nothing but stuff like fish oils, turmeric, CoQ10, and some vague heart health supplements. I don't know who you are, but whomever is reading this thread, keep up the good works.

The immune support scam poo poo pays for my cheap toilet paper

kazmeyer
Jul 26, 2001

'Cause we're the good guys.

NeonPunk posted:

Went to Costco and bought up food for everyone at home while they're staying inside for now. You know how they have those rotating endcaps right at the entrance? They were all filled with pills and vitamins which like yeah make sense they always would be pushing those immune system crap since it's the season like vitamin C or stuff like that.

But no I took a closer look and it was nothing but stuff like fish oils, turmeric, CoQ10, and some vague heart health supplements. I don't know who you are, but whomever is reading this thread, keep up the good works.

It's just their standard layout/rotation of product. Assuming you didn't go to the one in Birmingham, Alabama, because that's precisely the stuff they had in the entry at my Costco a couple days ago.

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

kazmeyer posted:

It's just their standard layout/rotation of product. Assuming you didn't go to the one in Birmingham, Alabama, because that's precisely the stuff they had in the entry at my Costco a couple days ago.

Oh it's national wide? That's even better

yoloer420
May 19, 2006

NeonPunk posted:

Oh neat. My family is now 100% totally in with the idea of using UVC lights as another layer for home.

Anyone know of a website where I can find some actual proper lights? I want to get us to commit to it before they get over Covid and change their minds later

I got mine from https://www.firstuvc.com/

Reach out to them for pricing etc but feel free to PM me if you have issues getting in touch. I've got one of their English speaking sales people on WhatsApp now. She was extremely helpful.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

NeonPunk posted:

Oh it's national wide? That's even better

Yeah the north of seattle costco also had that layout when i was there a few days ago

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

at least some people are starting to catch on

There’s a strong taboo against bringing up COVID, but once the subject is broached, it turns out that a lot of people are righteously furious.

I’m sure that they’ll just curl up and die and not be a problem for their social betters. :nsa:

Insanite posted:

a friend just got got a week after getting boosted. he is now blaming the vaccine for weakening his immune system.

anyone have any resources that can speak to this? I’m just a computer toucher.

Tell him that like one in thirty people he sees in public are nursing active infections right now and that the “2023–2024 formulation” vaccine would have been pretty decent if released fully one year ago.

It’s not that the vaccine weakened his immune system. It just didn’t strengthen it nearly enough against today’s threat. The virus is running circles around our supposed healthcare system.

Platystemon has issued a correction as of 00:34 on Jan 11, 2024

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

Platystemon posted:

I’m sure that they’ll just curl up and die and not be a problem for their social betters.

This but, unfortunately, unironically.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
:britain: suffering from immunity debt interest.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cold-flu-viruses-covid-symptoms-b2476363.html posted:

Lack of virus exposure due to Covid may be driving ‘never-ending’ colds, experts warn
‘There’s been what seems like a bounce-back with frequency of infection with some respiratory viruses,’ says one expert

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Pingui posted:

:britain: suffering from immunity debt interest.

That article starts with "A lack of exposure to common viruses..." and that text is a link to an article titled "AI can help generate synthetic viruses and spark pandemics, warns former Google executive".

?????

Jort Fortress
Mar 3, 2005

U-DO Burger posted:

it's because your doctor has ADHD

I definitely considered that! He seemed angry rather than genuinely curious, so it was weird. He also recommended that I take magnesium and Vitamin D, not sure what that was about.

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.
Washington State's Respiratory Illness Dashboard.




Positive clinical cases (tests administered at CLIA certified or CLIA waived labs) as reported by healthcare facility.



pre:
Cases      Changes in state counts reported:
week of:    3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week Wkly Trend	Total
Dec 31            -        -        -    + 3,417      ↑2.5%     3,417
Dec 24            -        -    2,967      + 367      ↑9.5%     3,334
Dec 17            -    2,715      294       + 37     ↑21.5%     3,046
Dec 10        2,368       84       40       + 14      ↓3.5%     2,506
Dec 03          194       37        8       + 12      ↑5.6%     2,598
Rest of '23      41       16       51       + 30              136,175
Emergency Visits with confirmed COVID-19 in Washington state facilities. Numbers are a reflection of 'healthcare encounters' and not representative of individuals nor of residence. Most recent week of data is incomplete.



pre:
ED Visits      Changes in Recent Counts:
week of:    3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week Wkly Trend	Total
Dec 31            -        -        -    + 1,378     ↑1.2%      1,378
Dec 24            -        -    1,282       + 79    ↑16.0%      1,361
Dec 17            -    1,065       49       + 59    ↑22.1%      1,173
Dec 10          889       72        -          -     ↑5.0%        961
Dec 03           90        -        -          -     ↓3.3%        915
Rest of '23      53        -        -          -               45,162


New hospital admissions in Washington state facilities with laboratory confirmed COVID-19 as reported by the state and HHS. Numbers are a reflection of 'healthcare encounters' and not representative of individuals nor of residence. Most recent week of data is incomplete.



pre:
Hosp. Admissions      Changes in Recent Counts:
week of:    3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week Wkly Trend	Total
Dec 31            -        -        -      + 319    ↓12.6%        319
Dec 24            -        -      298       + 67    ↑17.4%        365
Dec 17            -      277       36        - 2    ↑11.1%        311
Dec 10          261       12        7          -     ↓7.0%        280
Dec 03           -5       -4        1          -    ↑17.1%        301
Rest of '23       -        -        1          -               13,244
Total occupied inpatient beds (excludes ICU beds) used in Washington state facilities with diagnostic codes for COVID-19 (U07.1) and pneumonia due to COVID-19 (J12.82). Numbers are a reflection of 'healthcare encounters' and not representative of individuals nor of residence.



pre:
Beds in Use      Changes in Recent Counts:	
week of:    3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week Wkly Trend	Total
Dec 31            -        -        -    + 2,632    ↑17.9%      2,632
Dec 24            -        -    2,226        + 7    ↑20.8%      2,233
Dec 17            -    1,834       14          -     ↑2.7%      1,848
Dec 10        1,792        7        -          -    ↑10.8%      1,799
Dec 03            -        -        -          -    ↑14.3%      1,624
Rest of '23       -        -        -          -               87,276
Total occupied ICU beds used in Washington state facilities with diagnostic codes for COVID-19 (U07.1) and pneumonia due to COVID-19 (J12.82). Numbers are a reflection of 'healthcare encounters' and not representative of individuals nor of residence.



pre:
ICU in Use      Changes in Recent Counts:	
week of:    3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week Wkly Trend	Total
Dec 31            -        -        -      + 301    ↑16.2%        301
Dec 24            -        -      259          -    ↑15.6%        259
Dec 17            -      224        -          -    ↑14.3%        224
Dec 10          196        -        -          -    ↑33.3%        196
Dec 03            -        -        -          -    ↑10.5%        147
Rest of '23       -        -        -          -                9,968
Recent deaths certified/coded as, or referencing to, COVID-19 in WHALES with a corresponding positive lab (including postmortem testing) as reported in WDRS. Most recent two weeks of data are incomplete.



pre:
Deaths    Changes in Recent Counts:
week of:    3wk ago  2wk ago  1wk ago  This week Wkly Trend	Total
Dec 31            -        -        -          -         -          -
Dec 24            -        -        -       + 30     ↓9.1%         30
Dec 17            -        -       28        + 5    ↑13.8%         33
Dec 10            -       23        4        + 2    ↓21.6%         29
Dec 03           34        3        -          -     ↑8.8%         37
Rest of '23       2        -        1        + 1                1,442
Notes on Data and Limitations:
  • In this post I provide alternative visualizations for the overall weekly disease activity and reporting on weekly confirmed case positives, emergency department (ED) visits, new hospitalizations, total inpatients/occupied hospital beds, and confirmed deaths. Additionally I provide changes in COVID-19 activity due to backfill.
  • Trends are calculated based on the % change in the totals for the most recent week of data compared to the second most recent. This differs from the state's trend % as they are doing a % change of a % of ED visits and hospitalizations, respectively.
  • Columns with a bright bar are the new additions for this week's report. Darker columns are from previously published weekly reports. An outlined column is where previously established numbers have been reduced with this week's report.
  • These graphs were put together by using a multitude of resources spanning from the Washington State Department of Health all the way to the CDC and HHS. All of these state and federal reports use the standardized Sunday-Saturday 7-day definition.
  • Reinfections are only counted when equal to or greater than 90 days since prior recorded infection unless both samples were sequenced and found to be different subvariants.
  • All numbers except for cases and deaths are a reflection of 'healthcare encounters' and not representative of individuals nor of residence. Totals are extrapolated by applying the state's weekly hospitalizations or ED visit % to the HHS' reporting of hospitalizations and ED visits due to all causes. Beds occupied by COVID-19 is the weekly average multiplied by 7 days, and beds occupied by influenza is from HHS reports.
  • A COVID-19, Influenza, or RSV death is only counted by the state if data is complete (cause of death is attributed to the disease and there is an associated laboratory positive test with no period of complete recovery between illness and death). The only exception is that RSV does not need a test, only that it is indicated as cause on the death certificate.
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Sources:

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Jort Fortress posted:

I definitely considered that! He seemed angry rather than genuinely curious, so it was weird. He also recommended that I take magnesium and Vitamin D, not sure what that was about.

that was the vitamin cocktail that a bunch of doctors and nurses took to ward off covid infections in 2020

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DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

Pingui posted:

:britain: suffering from immunity debt interest.

Makes sense, it's not like last year's UK respiratory season was... Oh. Oh no. Oh dear, oh dear.

I guess it's true what they say, once you fall into debt you'll have a dickens of a time getting out of it.

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