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Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012


Is it normal to need approval to hold fire against a bunch of kids

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I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004


holy poo poo

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

Kunabomber posted:

He stole it from the Japanese

Well yeah, but you have to admit it was kind of genius to cut together several different Japanese properties with teenage American actors, the franchise absolutely blew up.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


waiting for the rest of the squad to arrive before the green light

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

evilmiera posted:

Intervene how? Providing more evidence? Sending a delegation to protest the decision? They're not involved in any way with the process what kind of involvement could they even do? They could get involved in vetoing any resolution based on the verdict but that's in the Security Council, it has nothing to do with the Court at all.

Only experts in international law know what it entails because it's never been done before. From what I've seen it apparently involves a lot of disruptive measures that could drag out the proceedings.

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

Honky Mao posted:

Is it normal to need approval to hold fire against a bunch of kids

in zionist israel, fire holds YOU

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Only experts in international law know what it entails because it's never been done before. From what I've seen it apparently involves a lot of disruptive measures that could drag out the proceedings.

Oh good they're running an Alex Jones on the ICJ.

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008

30.5 Days posted:

so uh, what happens to Egypt if nobody can use the Suez canal except like china

they go broke, its a money maker after tourism.


Honky Mao posted:

Is it normal to need approval to hold fire against a bunch of kids



No (and i dont speak with experience)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

https://twitter.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1745514105027387721?s=20

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Doing a Socrates to own the libs

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


'four, five kids, as long as they are moving away we wont execute the strike'
thats not avoiding casualties lol thats getting as many kills as they can with one shot

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022
cool of them to clarifying that it never once is accidental with how much information they have on who they're killing before they're killing them though
most moral army

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/nasrallah-succeeded-in-trapping-large-israeli-force--israeli

quote:

The military affairs commentator on Israel Defense website, Amir Rapaport, stated that "the most significant events this week took place in the northern front, where assassinations and attacks attributed to Israel have increased, and, in return, Hezbollah has raised the threshold of its response..."

The expert explained that "Nasrallah's declared goal was to trap a large number of army forces in the north, thereby fulfilling his role in supporting his brothers in Hamas."

According to him, a "security belt" was created inside "Israel," rather than in Lebanese territory in an unprecedented event, noting that "this is the first evacuation in the north since the beginning of Zionism."

"Many in the security establishment believe that the evacuation, including even "Kiryat Shmona," was hasty and wrong. Perhaps because this is precisely what gave Hezbollah the legitimacy to launch anti-tank missiles and rockets at civilian homes, something that would not have happened if the houses were occupied."

Meanwhile, statements at the political level, that the northern residents will not return to their homes without the relocation of Hezbollah's Radwan forces north of the Litani River, have "made Israel climb a high tree," Rapaport added, highlighting that such a scenario is extremely difficult as "Hezbollah's military capabilities are significant, and the geographical features of the fighting in Lebanon, when necessary, pose a bigger challenge (except for the tunnel issue. There is an unprecedented global military challenge in Gaza)."

Earlier this week, Reserve Maj. General Gershon Hacohen said that Sayyed Nasrallah "was and still is a professor in managing conflict and combat."

In an op-ed published in the Israeli Hayoum, Hacohen emphasized that Hezbollah's chief "focuses primarily on undermining Israel's morale and humiliating it."

In turn, Major General Itzhak Brik criticized the "deterioration of the army's readiness and preparedness" to confront Hezbollah on the northern front, denying what Israeli officials say about "unprecedented readiness."

Brik explained that the significant gap in the army's readiness is revealed by the poor preparation for the "strategic scenario" of Hezbollah's attempt to take control of army positions in the north.

Hezbollah media doing a victory lap at how scared of them Israeli experts are getting.

The takeaway here is that the attack on Maron airbase was a turning point in how Israel will deal with Hezbollah. All this talk about Israel forming an internal security belt could be supporting evidence for an invasion of Lebanon.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
is the hezbollah attack on maron base that significant of a turning point?

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

Honky Mao posted:

Is it normal to need approval to hold fire against a bunch of kids

I also didn't kill any children today but no one seems to comment on that...

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Honky Mao posted:

They haven't killed a single person

Reading the other thread you'd get the impression they behead every civilian sailor they encounter, and are selling the ships on the black market with stopping the Palestinian genocide just being a cover for their rampant piracy.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

Al-Saqr posted:

is the hezbollah attack on maron base that significant of a turning point?

It's the only air control base of its kind in northern Israel, and with the two of three radar arrays directly hit they're effectively blind.

Adenoid Dan
Mar 8, 2012

The Hobo Serenader
Lipstick Apathy
People keep talking about how oh they aren't actually targeting Israeli ships, it's random piracy!

And how much traffic is going to Eilat these days? Whether or not it's random doesn't particularly matter, the effect is very clear.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

https://twitter.com/ItsBCJim/status/1745899453356315027?s=20

e: https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1745902664964325613?s=20

little tip for all you Finkleheads

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Al! posted:

its fine to not feel personally guilty for the crimes of the nation state you were born into it just centers that this is more about hating muslims than it is about feeling bad about the holocaust

It's this, but it's also much weirder than this. There is something like an official smugness about how well Germany has atoned for its crimes. I was recently reminded of this:

quote:

Entebbe raid - Wikipedia]On 29 June, after Ugandan soldiers had opened an entrance to a room next to the crowded waiting hall by destroying a separating wall, the hijackers separated the Israelis (including those holding dual citizenship) from the other hostages[nb 2] and told them to move to the adjoining room.[33] As they did so, a Holocaust survivor showed hijacker Wilfried Böse a camp registration number tattooed on his arm. Böse protested "I'm no Nazi! ... I am an idealist".[38] In addition, five non-Israeli hostages – two ultra-orthodox Jewish couples[24] from the US and Belgium[8] and a French resident of Israel – were forced to join the Israeli group.[35] According to Monique Epstein Khalepski, the French hostage among the five, the captors had singled them out for questioning and suspected them of hiding their Israeli identities.[35] On the other hand, according to French hostage Michel Cojot-Goldberg, the captors failed to identify at least one Israeli among the passengers who was a military officer with dual citizenship then using his non-Israeli passport and he was later freed as part of the second release of non-Israeli hostages.[37] US citizen Janet Almog, Frenchwoman Jocelyne Monier (whose husband or boyfriend was Israeli),[39][40] and French-Israeli dual citizen Jean-Jacques Mimouni, whose name had not been called up during the reading of the original passport-based list, reportedly joined the Israeli hostage group by their own choice.[41]
which I had entirely forgotten about. They made a big deal about that to the point you hear about it in school a quarter of a century later as a show case that anti-semitsm is still very present even (or particular!) on the German left. Not among those guys though, they are legit:

quote:

From Dictatorship to Democracy: The Role Ex-Nazis Played in Early West Germany - DER SPIEGEL]The Left Party's parliamentary group had forced the government to come clean about Germany's past by submitting a parliamentary inquiry. Bundestag document 17/8134 officially announced, for the first time, something which had been treated as a taboo in the halls of government for decades: A total of 25 cabinet ministers, one president and one chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany -- as postwar Germany is officially known -- had been members of Nazi organizations.

Burn Zone
May 22, 2004



carcinofuck posted:

Exactly, but I feel this way also about Hamas. The people who are standing up for the Palestinians (or whatever passes for it when all you can do is say stuff) are not going far enough in just saying actually it seems like Hamas barely did anything "wrong" to begin with. They targeted military bases and kidnapped a mix of IDF and civilians, and it sounds like the IDF killed more civilians than they did.

The Voice of Labor posted:

for anyone on the fence or confused, every indigenous uprising and retaliation, every slave revolt and every anticolonial action, past present and future, is absolutely 100% justified, every single one every single time

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

badass

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Adenoid Dan posted:

People keep talking about how oh they aren't actually targeting Israeli ships, it's random piracy!

And how much traffic is going to Eilat these days? Whether or not it's random doesn't particularly matter, the effect is very clear.

It's fine actually

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/nasrallah-succeeded-in-trapping-large-israeli-force--israeli

According to him, a "security belt" was created inside "Israel," rather than in Lebanese territory in an unprecedented event, noting that "this is the first evacuation in the north since the beginning of Zionism."

"Many in the security establishment believe that the evacuation, including even "Kiryat Shmona," was hasty and wrong. Perhaps because this is precisely what gave Hezbollah the legitimacy to launch anti-tank missiles and rockets at civilian homes, something that would not have happened if the houses were occupied."

human shields

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009


Just read the article on this dude and his sentence was 20 years minus time aleardy served. Only 5-7 years left at time this happened. Dude would be out of jail right now if he hadn't killed himself lol.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 27 days!)

https://twitter.com/halbritz/status/1745628799595614632?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

It’s darkly funny that these strikes were planned by a bunch of people in the pentagon pretending to be the secretary of defense, and then approved by people in the White House pretending to be the president.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004




"whats he gonna do, fire me?"

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Raccooon posted:

Just read the article on this dude and his sentence was 20 years minus time aleardy served. Only 5-7 years left at time this happened. Dude would be out of jail right now if he hadn't killed himself lol.

this way was better content tho

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Best Friends posted:

It’s darkly funny that these strikes were planned by a bunch of people in the pentagon pretending to be the secretary of defense, and then approved by people in the White House pretending to be the president.

There's an Iannucci film in all this

Lukeycoon
Nov 16, 2007

evilmiera posted:

Intervene how? Providing more evidence? Sending a delegation to protest the decision? They're not involved in any way with the process what kind of involvement could they even do? They could get involved in vetoing any resolution based on the verdict but that's in the Security Council, it has nothing to do with the Court at all.

I skimmed through the Ukraine v Russia's genocide case, which had 32 other states intervene.

https://www.icj-cij.org/case/182/intervention

It looks like the intervening state claims they have an interest in the case due to being a party to the genocide convention, which means that how the court interprets any case involving the genocide convention could affect them in the future.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/182/182-20230213-wri-01-00-en.pdf

"As a party to the Genocide Convention, Germany has a genuine interest in how the Genocide Convention and in particular, its Article IX, is being interpreted when it comes to allegations of genocide."

They then provide their own "written observations on the subject matter of its intervention" to the court, which was in support of the genocide convention being applicable in Ukraine's case.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/182/182-20230705-wri-15-00-en.pdf

"Article IX of the Genocide Convention thus also covers disputes which relate to situations in which one State party of the Convention alleges that another State party is committing acts of genocide on its territory and where, relying on such accusations, the former State party then uses military force against the latter.

In order to resolve such a dispute, the Court is called upon to apply the Genocide Convention to the relevant facts in order to determine whether there is a basis for such allegations."

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

KomradeX posted:

There's an Iannucci film in all this

please don't encourage Iannucci to make any films about current events, he's an arch-liberal idiot lol

KIM JONG TRILL
Nov 29, 2006

GIN AND JUCHE

Al-Saqr posted:

is the hezbollah attack on maron base that significant of a turning point?

get brained marons

Jon Carbuncle
Sep 21, 2002


Soiled Meat

Mister Speaker posted:

Well yeah, but you have to admit it was kind of genius to cut together several different Japanese properties with teenage American actors, the franchise absolutely blew up.

Sandy Frank did it first, he not only stole the media he also stole the ideal.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


Hmmmm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_war_beach_bombing_incidents

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
Don't Bomb the Houthis

quote:

International actors must respond to the Houthis’ attacks, both to preserve the Red Sea shipping route and to prevent further regional escalation. But the United States is confronted by an array of bad and worse options for how to do so. Some politicians and analysts have argued that the best way to counter Houthi aggression is with military escalation designed to “restore deterrence.” This perspective sees the United States’ eventual decision, in 2021, to push for peace negotiations in Yemen as a failed policy of appeasement.

But proponents of airstrikes against the Houthis cannot articulate what should happen afterward. It is hard to see how airstrikes would deter Houthi attacks now when they have failed to do so over the past decade. Airstrikes against Houthi targets might marginally erode the Houthis’ ability to launch missiles and drones, but it will be much harder to effectively target and eradicate the Houthis’ small, cheap manned and unmanned boats.

(...)

To deal with the threat posed by the Houthis, ultimately the United States must push for an end to the war between Israel and Hamas—as well as to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in general. Like it or not, the Houthis have linked their aggression to Israel’s operations in Gaza and have won domestic and regional support for doing so. Finding a sustainable, long-term approach to both conflicts will be critical to de-escalating tensions across the region and getting the Houthis to call off their attacks on commercial vessels. Such attacks would have limited utility in the absence of these conflicts.

These measures cannot fully address the threat that the Houthis pose to U.S. interests and to stability in the region more broadly. But they remain the best among bad options—and the United States has only bad options because of its failed approaches to Yemen over the past 20 years. Washington must not repeat its mistakes. Decades of experience have shown, by now, that military efforts to dislodge the Houthis are unlikely to be effective. Instead, they may merely further devastate the lives of the already struggling people of Yemen.

WARNING: the neolib rags are starting to post sensible takes

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/NobleQAli/status/1745853169488286063
https://twitter.com/NobleQAli/status/1745854263723450826

https://twitter.com/NobleQAli/status/1745913082512105579

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Don’t be shocked when it turns out we will in fact be going back to the law of the jungle

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

But lol if Netanyahu could be arrested in whatever country he traveled to.

Again it really is amazing that this is happening at the same time as the Ukraine War. Get to see in real time the western media flip flop back and forth on whether killing civilians is a war crime and also on the stance of arresting people found to be committing a war crime.

I assume the same people screaming about arresting Putin will now be against arresting Netanyahu or any other person involved in this.

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Raccooon posted:

Don’t be shocked when it turns out we will in fact be going back to the law of the jungle

no way the US has historically been completely open to the idea of continuing to follow international law even when it runs slightly counter to US national interest

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