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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Using anti-mutant discrimination as an analogy for irl discrimination was always the dumbest idea cos irl minorities can't actually kill people with their minds and poo poo like that Well not with that attitude
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Isn't Magneto in a quantum state of being either Romani or Jewish based on the author's sympathies?
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Jan 12, 2024 22:09
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I wonder if they’ll have the guts to make him Palestinian eventually.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:18
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Nameless Pete posted:Isn't Magneto in a quantum state of being either Romani or Jewish based on the author's sympathies? Claremont made him unambiguously jewish when he came up with the holocaust backstory, to the point where part of how he’s reformed involves Kitty Pryde convincing him to go to holocaust survivor conferences with her, surprisingly without using the n-word. Other writers do whatever, as is typical.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:20
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Nameless Pete posted:Isn't Magneto in a quantum state of being either Romani or Jewish based on the author's sympathies? He was Romani before he was Jewish. I think he might be both now.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:28
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I sorta feel like the reputational hit from having a Romani villain would be worth it just to remind Americans that they were victims in the holocaust, too.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:33
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Most Americans think Romani are fairytale creatures like Hobbits or Elves. This despite there probably being more people with Romani ancestry in the US than in most European countries.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:38
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Yeah but we have a lot more space for travelers, a Romani group could easily lose themselves in various wilderness areas or only interact with a few landholders in something like Montana or North Dakota. Hell our urban areas could swallow up Romani and nobody would notice. A few dozen, even a few thousand individuals are a blip in the statistics for a city like New York.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:46
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Using anti-mutant discrimination as an analogy for irl discrimination was always the dumbest idea cos irl minorities can't actually kill people with their minds and poo poo like that The minority angle is only there to add just enough gravitas that it's not a straight-up porn.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:50
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And then you write the porn anyway, just for fun.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:54
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BioEnchanted posted:And then you write the porn anyway, just for fun. The Claremont formula to a t.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Claremont made him unambiguously jewish when he came up with the holocaust backstory, to the point where part of how he’s reformed involves Kitty Pryde convincing him to go to holocaust survivor conferences with her, surprisingly without using the n-word. Other writers do whatever, as is typical. FreudianSlippers posted:He was Romani before he was Jewish. Claremont wrote him as Jewish, but kept the thinnest veneer of plausible deniability. When Claremont left, Marvel editorial came in and declared that he was Romani. At some point along the line that got retconned into being a false identity he adopted, although his wife and kids were still definitely Romani.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:58
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FreudianSlippers posted:He was Romani before he was Jewish. I thought he was Jewish first and spent a part of the 90s as Romani because Marvel was making him a villain again and thought it would be be a bad look if they made their most prominent Jewish character evil.
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Jan 13, 2024 00:01
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mind the walrus posted:The core appeal of the X-Men is being a social misfit who gets a free ride to go to private school and have adventures with hot people in tight outfits. shut up, man
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Jan 13, 2024 00:06
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I thought he was Jewish first and spent a part of the 90s as Romani because Marvel was making him a villain again and thought it would be be a bad look if they made their most prominent Jewish character evil. great plan, no notes 
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Jan 13, 2024 00:06
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You know who else was a Jewish mutant? Matilda from Matilda
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I thought he was Jewish first and spent a part of the 90s as Romani because Marvel was making him a villain again and thought it would be be a bad look if they made their most prominent Jewish character evil. And considering Peter David's views on Romani people.....
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Alaois posted:shut up, man Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I thought he was Jewish first and spent a part of the 90s as Romani because Marvel was making him a villain again and thought it would be be a bad look if they made their most prominent Jewish character evil.
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Jan 13, 2024 00:13
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Man this is making me remember my favorite X-Men arc, where they descend into hell but it's literally Dante's hell and Colossus opens the gates of hell and Dr Strange is like "hold on now I'm just a sorcerer of very little brain but he shouldn't be able to do that even though he's cool(because he's a commie) so this must be a fake Dante hell and not the real one." And it is! Made by I wanna say nightcrawlers mom or something? poo poo I can't remember the end I'm too high Oh and storms a thief so she gets taken to the ring for theft and gets turned into a snake so wolverine has to smell her out
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Benagain posted:Man this is making me remember my favorite X-Men arc, where they descend into hell but it's literally Dante's hell and Colossus opens the gates of hell and Dr Strange is like "hold on now I'm just a sorcerer of very little brain but he shouldn't be able to do that even though he's cool(because he's a commie) so this must be a fake Dante hell and not the real one." And it is! Made by I wanna say nightcrawlers mom or something? poo poo I can't remember the end I'm too high Nightcrawler's adoptive evil mom, yes. Margali Szardoz. She's a Roma witch, always out to steal powerful magic except when she's nice. Not his biological evil mom, Mystique. Or his other biological evil mom, Destiny. (spoilered for recent X-Men storylines)
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Jan 13, 2024 00:34
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I haven't read much of the classic X-men but a friend who has read literally everything X-[something] related tells me that the Soviet Union being much better about mutant rights and acceptance is a plot point. Like Collosus goes home and everyone treats him having iron skin at will about as casually as if he was just a really good mason or talented gymnast. It's just something he does and since it's beneficial it's good.
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Jan 13, 2024 00:50
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FreudianSlippers posted:Most Americans think Romani are fairytale creatures like Hobbits or Elves. Americans think Romani are the people who built the Colosseum.
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Jan 13, 2024 01:16
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I do find it interesting that a ethnic group originally from India coincidentally has a very similar name as the Romans despite being entirely unrelated. I wonder if the fact that there's a lot of Romani living in Romania is a bit like Jamaica New York having a lot of people from Jamaica (the country) despite the two Jamaicas being entirely unrelated etymologically. Which is presumably people going "hey that's like where we're from Let's check it out." Despite there being no actual connection other than the names sounding similar.
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Jan 13, 2024 01:52
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FreudianSlippers posted:I haven't read much of the classic X-men but a friend who has read literally everything X-[something] related tells me that the Soviet Union being much better about mutant rights and acceptance is a plot point. It varies; I recall one story where the X-Men visit the USSR and are informed that the official government line is that there are no mutants in the Communist world, that they're purely a 'western problem' - which feels to me like a bit of a reference to the Soviet Union dismissing homosexuality as 'bourgeois decadence'.
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Let’s be real—if Moon Knight can get in and you can’t, there’s something you’re not doing right.
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Isn’t Doom Romani?
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I AM GRANDO posted:Let’s be real—if Moon Knight can get in and you can’t, there’s something you’re not doing right. Lmao who’s next, loving sun day
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FreudianSlippers posted:I do find it interesting that a ethnic group originally from India coincidentally has a very similar name as the Romans despite being entirely unrelated. The hypothesis that puts the Romani as migrating from Northern India has they coming from a tribe actually named Doma. The same hypothesis puts them migrating into Europe through the Holy Roman Empire where it's possible, after a few generations living in and around Constantinople the name and language merged a bit.
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Byzantine posted:Americans think Romani are the people who built the Colosseum. Or giant robots
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oldpainless posted:Lmao who’s next, loving sun day sun day, so what
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Jan 13, 2024 05:42
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Well there's Sun Man for media that aged pretty well https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sun-man-he-man-masters-of-the-universe-yla-eason-rulers-of-the-sun-202415082.html
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:The hypothesis that puts the Romani as migrating from Northern India has they coming from a tribe actually named Doma. The same hypothesis puts them migrating into Europe through the Holy Roman Empire where it's possible, after a few generations living in and around Constantinople the name and language merged a bit. That's the regular Roman empire if they lived around Constantinople. A.k.a. the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantium after they lost control over Rome. The Holy Roman Empire was centered around Germany. Yeah, medieval Europe han two different Roman empires and neither of them controlled Rome.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Well there's Sun Man for media that aged pretty well That's a really sweet and awesome story
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Using anti-mutant discrimination as an analogy for irl discrimination was always the dumbest idea cos irl minorities can't actually kill people with their minds and poo poo like that All minorities have the ability to kill people, that doesn't make it okay to discriminate against them.
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Offler posted:That's the regular Roman empire if they lived around Constantinople. A.k.a. the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantium after they lost control over Rome. The Holy Roman Empire was centered around Germany. Medieval Europe has one Roman Empire and also a Germany.
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Alhazred posted:All minorities have the ability to kill people, that doesn't make it okay to discriminate against them. 
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Jan 13, 2024 13:42
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I hate it when a minority explodes my head with their mindpowers
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Alhazred posted:All minorities have the ability to kill people, that doesn't make it okay to discriminate against them. If a gay guy loses his poo poo, he has no more or less ability to cause harm than a heterosexual dude. If a black man goes on a rampage, his ability to inflict damage is likewise no more or less than that of a white man of similar means and build. If Magneto goes on a rampage, he is fully capable of ending all life on the planet. I'm not saying that anti-mutant bigotry is justified, but like it absolutely changes the dynamics of the issues. There is no reason outside of bigotry to justify keeping a registry of, say, all homosexual people or whatever. There is a legitimate national/global security argument to be made about keeping a list of mutants. Like oppression and racism/-isms are generally based on the fact you have a group of people who are, at the end of the day, not meaningfully different from whatever the societal mainstream is who are being stripped of power and agency. Mutants are meaningfully different from baseline humans. The X-Men have had their ups and downs like any medium, and I definitely know people from racial or sexual or religious minorities who found the stories empowering. And I don't think they were trying to create a cryptoracist justification for bigotry or whatever. Just, yeah, if you really want to engage with the X-Men as speculative fiction, then the uncomfortable truth is that mutants are in fact different in a meaningful way from every single IRL minority that has ever been persecuted or oppressed. Not to mention that oppression needs a power differential to work. If African folks could shoot lasers from their eyes, teleport, or control magnetism, I'm pretty sure the trans-atlantic slave trade and scramble fr Africa would have played out in a very different fashion.
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Offler posted:That's the regular Roman empire if they lived around Constantinople. A.k.a. the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantium after they lost control over Rome. The Holy Roman Empire was centered around Germany. Oh gotcha, I guess I just conflate the two in my head. Didn't want to just refer to them as Byzantium since they were called that until about 100 years after Constantinople was sacked when the point was that they spent a decent amount of time living an area where they be calling themselves Romans.
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