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DreddyMatt posted:What would make you vote Labour in the upcoming election? I'd consider voting Labour if the PLP commit mass suicide on live TV. Honestly, there's nothing realistic that would make me vote Labour because put smiply I don't trust them one iota. As for who? Probably the SNP at Westminster, Green at Holyroord.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:08
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DreddyMatt posted:What would make you vote Labour in the upcoming election? The last election showed me that "hold your nose and vote for Labour" is not a thing that a lot of Sensible Centrists are prepared to do and now their guy is in charge I don't feel inclined to do the same for them. It's petulant, but sow, reap, and gently caress you. Whatever I vote for in this ward is wasted anyway, so I'm going to spoil my ballot, we're planning on moving up north anyway at some point so hopefully I'll be in a better place to do something more constructive next time and there's always the possibility that if it all goes completely to hell I will ride the rest of my privilege to emigrate somewhere with a functional left wing government and a sane attitude to LGBT+ rights assuming one actually exists.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:10
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Skarsnik posted:I'm planning on voting labour because my number one priority is to get the tories out of government I can't in good conscience vote for outright transphobes. Maybe that's going to let in a transphobic Tory but gently caress it, what's the difference?
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Jan 16, 2024 13:11
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Isomermaid posted:there's always the possibility that if it all goes completely to hell I will ride the rest of my privilege to emigrate somewhere with a functional left wing government and a sane attitude to LGBT+ rights assuming one actually exists. What privilege is that? Got a euro passport or spouse? Or something else?
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Jan 16, 2024 13:17
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They haven't said when the election is yet. I might be busy.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:18
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Jedit posted:No, it wasn't. People were joking during the campaign that "Tony Blair MP" was an anagram of "I'm Tory Plan B", and like all such jokes it was rooted in truth. People knew, but everyone was caught up in the hype of him not being an actual Tory and the Tories themselves were worn out. I don't think Blair would have won even in 1992. I guess that's what I mean, but then even now do people feel a hype of Keith not bring a tory?
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Jan 16, 2024 13:22
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Skarsnik posted:I'm planning on voting labour because my number one priority is to get the tories out of government Perpetuating a Labour Party that refuses to challenge the unworkable economic status quo is more damaging than anything else. Think long-term. We cannot tolerate more decades with no real opposition to the disaster of neoliberalisn. I will not vote to continue this. This is my critical thinking. A slow continual decline isn't preferable to a speedy decline, it just means takes even loving longer to get to the bottom and start fixing this 45 years of misery
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Jan 16, 2024 13:22
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I'm not really convinced that it will make any difference who I vote for or that having Labour win the election will do anybody any good. I don't really think they're better than the Tories, their only complaint about Tory policy seems to be that they could implement it better, or seems utterly performative in the "well this is terrible, no we wouldn't undo it" sense. It seems like you'd just be voting for the same thing but with a new face to legitimise it.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:23
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I'll be voting SNP because as bad as they are, they're still the only party that want to bring about the end of Britain.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:24
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not really convinced that it will make any difference who I vote for or that having Labour win the election will do anybody any good. I don't really think they're better than the Tories, their only complaint about Tory policy seems to be that they could implement it better, or seems utterly performative in the "well this is terrible, no we wouldn't undo it" sense. Is that another tally for cock&balls? Or staying at home?
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Jan 16, 2024 13:29
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I'll probs vote Green, I did last time in locals already. They aren't great either but at least it sends some left signal.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:30
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I've got GIMP at home and I can put lens flare on my cock and balls with it.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:32
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I'm sending a left signal by turning on the indicator on my car 
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Jan 16, 2024 13:33
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Skarsnik posted:I'm planning on voting labour because my number one priority is to get the tories out of government My critical thinking is that allowing Labour to sidle into power while promising nothing and continuing Tory policies would be a disaster and it's far better for the long term to make it clear that they need to be committed to significant change for the good to enthuse people to vote for them. If all that changes is the colour of the rosette, the downward spiral continues.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:34
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Labour '24: No Hope is better than False Hope
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Jan 16, 2024 13:37
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Isomermaid posted:The last election showed me that "hold your nose and vote for Labour" is not a thing that a lot of Sensible Centrists are prepared to do and now their guy is in charge I don't feel inclined to do the same for them. It's petulant, but sow, reap, and gently caress you. forkboy84 posted:A slow continual decline isn't preferable to a speedy decline, it just means takes even loving longer to get to the bottom and start fixing this 45 years of misery
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Jan 16, 2024 13:38
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"astronomical deaths under austerity" is already a thing currently happening in the UK
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Jan 16, 2024 13:42
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As I always say I will vote Labour because it's a Lab/Con marginal and my MP is Corbynite. I don't blame those of y'all with fuckheads spoiling your ballot.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:42
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my main concern on election day is stopping myself from screaming his name with joy as i cast my vote for a keir starmer government. i am not ashamed of my elation but i think legally it counts as campaigning in a polling station
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Jan 16, 2024 13:45
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DreddyMatt posted:What would make you vote Labour in the upcoming election? Rachel Reeves is booted from the party, Starmer resigns in apology for making her chancellor. She pledged ahead of a general election that she would treat people on benefits as second-class citizens, further reinforcing the hostile environment that helped lead to the carnage of COVID-19 (in addition to all the deaths before that, of course). That's entirely unforgivable. As for my vote, I'll go Green unless my local branch embarrass themselves.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:46
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I'd normally vote SNP but my MP is one of the Bad™ ones so I'm at a bit of a loss this time, my constituency usually doesn't get smaller parties. I'd pretty much reached the conclusion that I was going to spoil my ballot because honestly even the SNP are poo poo, but then Yousaf became the only party leader calling out the genocide in Gaza and it loving rends my heart that "don't support Israel in murdering thousands of people" has to be a point of contention in British politics. Is that worth me holding my nose and voting for a bad person? Ultimately even if my MP is re-elected, it won't actually stop the genocide.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:47
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Tesseraction posted:I don't blame those of y'all with fuckheads spoiling your ballot. I think a vote against labour is more useful in the long term, but if people wanna flex their artistic skills, then have at it. Do a big veiny throbber
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Jan 16, 2024 13:48
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DreddyMatt posted:I think a vote against labour is more useful in the long term, but if people wanna flex their artistic skills, then have at it. Do a big veiny throbber There are, of course, a few people in constituencies where there is no good (or even tolerable) candidate to vote for. Yay FPTP!
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Jan 16, 2024 13:51
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Why would I ever vote for Labour as a trans person? loving arseholes and no different to the tories. I don't have a vote that promises me I will retain my rights or make anything better for people like me. gently caress them all
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Jan 16, 2024 13:52
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Yeah it's funny how holding your nose and voting for Labour is something that has to be done to get the tories out this time, but under Corbyn it sadly wasn't possible for them to just hold their noses and vote Labour to get the tories out without giving themself a heart attack. But you see, this election is the most important one in a generationTM whereas 2017/19 were only the most important to a generation.
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Jan 16, 2024 13:53
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my local tory mp got his office burned down on christmas eve
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Jan 16, 2024 13:57
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kecske posted:my local tory mp got his office burned down on christmas eve probably too many lumps of coal in there
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Jan 16, 2024 13:57
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forkboy84 posted:Perpetuating a Labour Party that refuses to challenge the unworkable economic status quo is more damaging than anything else. Think long-term. We cannot tolerate more decades with no real opposition to the disaster of neoliberalisn. I will not vote to continue this. This is my critical thinking. A slow continual decline isn't preferable to a speedy decline, it just means takes even loving longer to get to the bottom and start fixing this 45 years of misery I am thinking long term Every time a right wing government is elected the opposition parties end up taking yet another step right to make themselves electable Getting an even mildly left wing government into power shows that left wing ideas are finally electable again That's how you go forward with introducing actual left wing policies and governments I'd rather put up with Keith and his tory lite for a term or two (and work from there) than the turbo right wing labour we'd end up with after yet another tory win
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Jan 16, 2024 13:59
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Skarsnik posted:Getting an even mildly left wing government into power shows that left wing ideas are finally electable again yeah this would be nice, but "an even mildly left wing government" is not on offer
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Jan 16, 2024 14:00
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Skarsnik posted:I am thinking long term Any mildly left wing government likely after this election?
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Jan 16, 2024 14:00
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DreddyMatt posted:What privilege is that? Got a euro passport or spouse? Or something else? My spouse does have dual irish citizenship although in practice I don't think that would necessarily make it a lot easier because of some other things. I just meant even theoretically being able to skip out on some persecution by throwing money at the problem, even if it's by doing something drastic like emigrating, this is something not a lot of people have and I'm mindful of that when I think about voting.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:01
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Skarsnik posted:I am thinking long term The way I would look at it is the ratchet, labour getting in and continuing the Tory platform is part of the rightward shift, they get in and legitimise the platform by blocking any criticism because look, labours doing it too, then the Tories get back in when everyone has given up and go further right. I don't think you can stop it by voting labour, that's just part of it. What mechanism is there for making leftward progress when you've just again confirmed to labour that the best thing for them is to run as far to the right as possible?
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Jan 16, 2024 14:03
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Isomermaid posted:My spouse does have dual irish citizenship although in practice I don't think that would necessarily make it a lot easier because of some other things. If you're British you can just...move to Ireland. You don't have to have any Irish heritage, there's no legal obstacle there. You can even vote in both general and local elections for candidates who aren't cunts (sometimes)
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Jan 16, 2024 14:04
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I'm not voting for any transphobic party, which leaves me with very little options I think the transphobic rhetoric is going to be 10x worse whenever the election comes around too, yayyyy
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Jan 16, 2024 14:05
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I am in a very safe labour seat that at worst would go lib dem so I am voting green. It would take labour saying they would do MMT to get me to vote for them.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:10
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Darth Walrus posted:There are, of course, a few people in constituencies where there is no good (or even tolerable) candidate to vote for. Yay FPTP! I don't have a clue who my local candidate is, but I'm voting green in the hope that at the following election they look at the metrics, see a sharp increase in green votes and put forward some better policies to win those voters.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:13
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The whole conversation is such a boneheaded inversion of how political parties are supposed to operate. They're canvassing for your vote, so they should reflect (at least some of) your expressed preferences. Instead, the voter is now expected to contort themselves to fit within the party ideology no matter how repugnant to their own morality. It honestly feels like an import from the degraded spectaclized theatre of US politics. The fact that both parties have colluded to make everything so poo poo and dispiriting as to negate the possibility of choice doesn't mean that you should reward their cynicism by kowtowing to the Sensibles and voting for more means-tested austerity and focus-grouped murder
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Jan 16, 2024 14:14
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Skarsnik posted:I am thinking long term What are Labour actually, seriously offering that's an improvement on what we've currently got, though? In particular, Reeves seems even more firmly committed to austerity than the Tories are. I'm not actually seeing evidence that them winning is going to be a victory for 'the left' in any meaningful sense - it's a contest between two different teams of personnel for control of the same far-right project.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:17
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if Labour win a landslide after having shifted so far rightwards I don’t see any way they don’t use it as vindication and continue moving in that direction my personal best-case scenario is that they underachieve with a hung Parliament, Starmer gets the blame and the boot, and there’s maybe a small chance that someone vaguely leftist wins the leadership contest
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Jan 16, 2024 14:18
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‘Holding your nose’ might make sense if there were some good policies mixed in with those you disagreed with, but Labour are pro genocide, anti trans, anti worker, and anti substantive climate change action. A little while ago I would’ve considered voting for them despite all the poo poo they’ve said and done, but the support of Israel was the last straw, and the watering down their climate policies cemented it for me.
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