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StrangersInTheNight posted:he wasn't popular even for his first run, he's always been 'the guy the dems are shoving at us bc he has an association with Obama and they're trying to milk that for everything its worth' Sadly, even after Trump passes from this mortal coil, our choices are still going to be "the party that has demonstrated it wants us all to die if we aren't rich and white", or the dems. I seriously doubt that we will ever have a viable 3rd party candidate in my remaining lifetime.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:00
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I still think if Biden had run in 2016 he would have beaten trump easily and trump would have slunk off to do his tv channel which would inevitably fail after a year or two. That said almost any dem candidate probably could have out performed Hilary. Basically Beau’s cancer hosed the country.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:00
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Jimlit posted:Honestly though gently caress joe biden. The way he handled Palestine / Isreal definitely cost him my vote and a number of other straight ticket democrats in my circle. You can ignore it or call out CSPAM all you want but the hemorrhaging is real. Look, you're getting dogpiled and I hate that poo poo. We need to be able to discuss differing opinions. I agree, Biden sucks especially regarding Palestine. I don't understand who you plan to support THAT COULD ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING in the presidential election besides Biden. He's wrong but he's willing to listen and change course. Trump won't do right, ever. Trump will help destroy Palestine. Third party candidates won't win. Like, it's not up for debate, they can't win (America is broken). So either you accelerate the collapse (trump), or you duct tape the place together (Biden). I don't understand the thought process here.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:01
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Just a reminder that anyone disappointed by Biden should participate in the Democratic party primary process. It sucks that you live in a country where the general election for a president is an especially weird first past the post process, but abstaining does nothing to change that system so vote for the least bad viable candidate in that general election.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:01
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It is important to remember that the average American voter literally does not give a poo poo what happens in other countries, unless it directly affects them personally. Biden isn't going to lose any more support over I/P than he would over Ukraine, or indeed anywhere else major conflicts are going on that don't directly involve American troops in the fighting.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:02
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:I don't understand the thought process here. It's just the smug lefty version of "gently caress you got mine" Sydney Bottocks posted:It is important to remember that the average American voter literally does not give a poo poo what happens in other countries, unless it directly affects them personally. The average American voter does not give a poo poo what happens in their own country, and nearly half of them vote against their own self interests every loving time.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:03
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Sydney Bottocks posted:It is important to remember that the average American voter literally does not give a poo poo what happens in other countries, unless it directly affects them personally. Biden isn't going to lose any more support over I/P than he would over Ukraine, or indeed anywhere else major conflicts are going on that don't directly involve American troops in the fighting. I think this is actually the lens through which we look: "Holy poo poo, what got past the military?"
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Jan 16, 2024 18:03
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vaginite posted:I feel like I have to qualify my liking of Joe Biden because of a bunch of too online internet weirdos screaming echo chamber poo poo that bled into their subconscious from constant exposure to the internet. They'll pipe up with all their "WHATBAOUT" poo poo like a chud if there's a slight hesitation in agreeing with them that Joe Biden is a "succ lib piece of poo poo" or whatever. idk. ill be honest and say i just like the dude personally and while i dont agree with various stuff he has done, i think he does try to do actual good stuff behind the scenes. the problem with doing alot of the genuin good stuff on the down low is its hard to get credit for it. Serious_Cyclone posted:Biden has definitely been better than I was expecting. He seems to be interested in notching some wins on things that affect people's everyday lives (like student loans). Obama talked a very good game and ACA was a step forward, but mostly he seemed to want to just coast after that and be lauded as a uniter and post-partisan figure. thats kinda my issue with obama though i dont full blame him for some of his issues, bigger amount of conseravtive dems and he bought into decorum hard and didnt expect the GOP to be as insane.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:04
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Joe Biden is the best president of my lifetime by far and he absolutely sucks poo poo. You'd think that would be a contradictory statement but it isn't.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:04
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Grammarchist posted:Biden was never particularly that popular though. Yeah Biden was the tolerable non-Trump vote that was vaguely remembered as being Obama's VP and didn't come off as a rear end in a top hat to most. Virtually no one loved or liked him that much when voting for him. They just wanted a non-insane somewhat competent leader instead of a narcissistic reality show host. I don't much like Biden now though I will say he has been less poo poo than I thought he would be. Getting worked up over his foreign policy decisions at this point is dumb. Every president, and I think presidential candidate with a half way reasonable shot at the office, since at least most of the post WWII era has generally had bad to poo poo foreign policy. John Wick of Dogs posted:Joe Biden is the best president of my lifetime by far and he absolutely sucks poo poo. You'd think that would be a contradictory statement but it isn't. Sadly accurate.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:04
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:I don't understand the thought process here. It's the same thought process underpinning #walkaway Xweets and supporting RFK Jr for POTUS. LOOK AT ME!!!!! LOOK AT WHAT I'M DOING!!!!! ISN'T IT INFURIATING???!?!?
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Jan 16, 2024 18:05
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Totbot posted:Is there any actual proof on how popular or unpopular Biden is? What proof would you accept if you immediately dismiss polls?
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Jan 16, 2024 18:06
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Just a reminder that anyone disappointed by Biden should participate in the Democratic party primary process. It sucks that you live in a country where the general election for a president is an especially weird first past the post process, but abstaining does nothing to change that system so vote for the least bad viable candidate in that general election. Yes, you could support a great candidate by participating the primary process. Then wonder why you get Hillary Clinton and Biden.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:06
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Dapper_Swindler posted:thats kinda my issue with obama though i dont full blame him for some of his issues, bigger amount of conseravtive dems and he bought into decorum hard and didnt expect the GOP to be as insane. The latter two issues are entirely his fault and he deserves blame for them. He spent like a year dealing with the GOP arguing that his birth certificate was faked, there's no reason for him to get caught flat-footed on their insanity.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:07
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Lord Frankenstyle posted:You may as well put on a ball gag and a jock strap fashioned from Cool-Whip Yes
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Jan 16, 2024 18:07
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Jasmine Crockett for President! If you think Obama broke the chud brains, a black woman president who calls a spade a spade to its face, would make all of their heads explode, and I'm all-in to vote for and watch that.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:08
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If nothing else, people probably shouldn’t be making things easier for the guy who said on national television that he’d be a dictator day one (but only for a day though, as someone who has bankrupted several casinos, cheated on every wife he’s ever had, stole classified documents, raped a woman for certain and highly likely sexually assaulted many more, and advocated for people to overthrow the government is clearly one to be trusted at his word)
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Jan 16, 2024 18:09
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People might not be excited to vote for Biden but they sure are excited to vote against Trump. Asking how (un)popular is [candidate]?? won’t be answered until people vote. The real question is, how damaging will a criminal conviction actually be?
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Jan 16, 2024 18:10
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kazil posted:What proof would you accept if you immediately dismiss polls? Thats kinda what and why I’m asking? I don’t know what I will accept because I don’t know what proof exists outside of polls that I don’t trust.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:10
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Bottom Liner posted:It's just the smug lefty version of "gently caress you got mine" Exactly! That's why claiming Biden is toast over I/P, or indeed any other foreign policy stance, is the most nonsensical idea ever. Remember when people were claiming he was gonna be done for in the next election, due to how quickly Afghanistan collapsed when the US finally withdrew? It's not even a blip in the news media any more.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:10
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Serious_Cyclone posted:The latter two issues are entirely his fault and he deserves blame for them. He spent like a year dealing with the GOP arguing that his birth certificate was faked, there's no reason for him to get caught flat-footed on their insanity. I think due to the age demographics it was probably the first time, especially post-TomDeLay/gerrymandering, that we really had a clue that the GOP had lost the room and required help to sustain their party. Trump was pure desperation. beef sweat posted:People might not be excited to vote for Biden but they sure are excited to vote against Trump. Asking how (un)popular is [candidate]?? won’t be answered until people vote. This seems like it contains the same kind of fallacy logic inherent in doomerism; it's not that people vote FOR him, it's that they're voting AGAINST someone else!
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Jan 16, 2024 18:10
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No electronic devices in the E Jean Carroll courtroom so news coming out is slow
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Jan 16, 2024 18:11
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beef sweat posted:People might not be excited to vote for Biden but they sure are excited to vote against Trump. Asking how (un)popular is [candidate]?? won’t be answered until people vote. When he's behind bars before the election this year I will predict it will be a Very Big loving Deal.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:11
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LOL
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Jan 16, 2024 18:12
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kazil posted:No electronic devices in the E Jean Carroll courtroom so news coming out is slow I keep forgetting jury sequestration isn't standard practice, but that's good that they're demonstrating impartiality. redshirt posted:When he's behind bars before the election this year I will predict it will be a Very Big loving Deal. lol the guy's already been booked, roll that beautiful bean footage
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Jan 16, 2024 18:13
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Waffle House posted:
No one gives a poo poo about a mug shot (the chuds celebrate and parade that proudly). It doesn't count until he spends at least a night behind bars.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:14
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My hot take is that Biden is a better President than Obama was. My second hot take is that Bush was a worse President than Trump.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:15
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dr_rat posted:Other than times when the running candidate is already president this must be one of the smallest candidates fields this early on? Usally there seems to be seven or eight in the race at this point Maybe when Cleveland was running for the third time?
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Jan 16, 2024 18:16
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I don't get why the result yesterday seems to be universally considered bad for Trump here. He got a full majority in what was an ostensibly 4-person race (sorry Chris Chris). It wasn't an overwhelming victory you might predict if you start with the assumption that Trump is these peoples' god and former president, but it seems to be in line with the target he was expected to hit to pick up the nomination. It also seems hard to correlate to actual election turnout because people likely assumed Trump would win by a comfortable margin no matter what and it was cold as balls out. I don't buy into the "lying media is just pushing Trump/Biden" excuse, both because I don't think it's fully true and because the media should actually be able to affect outcomes if that's really what they're trying to do. Meanwhile, DeSantis focused on Iowa enough to push his zombie campaign across the finish line in second place. He and Nikki are close enough that neither will consider dropping out for a while, and Nikki getting third isn't great for her "only viable Trump alternative" position. It seems more possible that she'll underperform now in New Hampshire and her chances for Super Tuesday were never good. Right now I expect Trump to win NH with Haley a bit behind and DeSantis in distant third, but if DeSantis can pivot enough to siphon off enough of her votes he could keep pulling her down long enough to sink her. At this point that makes it pretty likely that Trump gets the nomination, and Republicans are good at holding their noses and following the 11th commandment. I think Biden is in an okay position to win but Trump would still have a path to victory. There's a long time between now and November and plenty of room for October surprises or grinding recessions, so it makes me uneasy when I see a lot of 2016-style "yass slay king Joe," "actually, it's a good strategy for the Democrats to run against Trump because he's so unpopular" overconfidence. I don't know if that makes me a doomer or what. My Joe Biden opinion is that he promised nothing to me in 2020, delivered a decent amount more, and attempted to do more than that but was thwarted by forces outside of his control. Also if he's on the ballot in November I'll vote for him because the people on the other side act as if they're literally indwelt by demons.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:17
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Grey Cat posted:Those poor Iowans. They made their choice.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:21
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I'm assuming the article is just click-bait gibberish but LOL if it's anything but "You should seriously go to a Trump rally. These people are even loving WORSE than you think they are. You think they're bad now? Wait until you smell these loving people. Or stand close enough for their drool to actually touch you. Just garbage poo poo eaters, all of them."
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Jan 16, 2024 18:23
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Trump is going to be the Republican candidate barring something really crazy happening or him dying. Vivek wasn't white enough for Republicans. A lot of Republicans won't vote for a woman, even if she's a Republican. DeSantis is too loving weird but he's probably hoping Trump goes to jail or dies at this point. Not really a shock, that's what the Republican party is now. It's loud, crazy, dumb as hell, and probably about 10% of the people who voted last night won't survive til November anyway.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:23
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Fobby posted:I don't get why the result yesterday seems to be universally considered bad for Trump here. He got a full majority in what was an ostensibly 4-person race (sorry Chris Chris). It wasn't an overwhelming victory you might predict if you start with the assumption that Trump is these peoples' god and former president, but it seems to be in line with the target he was expected to hit to pick up the nomination. It also seems hard to correlate to actual election turnout because people likely assumed Trump would win by a comfortable margin no matter what and it was cold as balls out. I don't buy into the "lying media is just pushing Trump/Biden" excuse, both because I don't think it's fully true and because the media should actually be able to affect outcomes if that's really what they're trying to do. At the end of the day, Trump should have won by way more than he did. He was already president. People know exactly what they would get from him in an election and a presidency. And yet, only a small fraction of Republican voters even bothered to show up to vote, and he only got half of the ones that did. He's going to fail or succeed on enthusiasm and this is a sign that the enthusiasm probably isn't there.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:26
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I only vote for candidates who kiss me and tell me what a handsome smart boy i am
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Jan 16, 2024 18:28
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NoiseAnnoys posted:I only vote for candidates who kiss me and tell me what a handsome smart boy i am drat what’s it like never having voted before?
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Jan 16, 2024 18:29
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I'm sure Trump's riding high off of his tremendous Iowa win and this ruling in the E. Jean defamation case won't bother him in the least.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:30
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vaginite posted:I feel like I have to qualify my liking of Joe Biden because of a bunch of too online internet weirdos screaming echo chamber poo poo that bled into their subconscious from constant exposure to the internet. They'll pipe up with all their "WHATBAOUT" poo poo like a chud if there's a slight hesitation in agreeing with them that Joe Biden is a "succ lib piece of poo poo" or whatever. yeah if you can show me anyone else who has enough political moxie to actually build infrastructure i'll listen to whatabouts. until then, i am voting for the motherfucker who actually built some god damned roads, bridges, and factories.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:31
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No thanks. 
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Jan 16, 2024 18:31
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tek79 posted:I'm assuming the article is just click-bait gibberish but LOL if it's anything but "You should seriously go to a Trump rally. These people are even loving WORSE than you think they are. You think they're bad now? Wait until you smell these loving people. Or stand close enough for their drool to actually touch you. Just garbage poo poo eaters, all of them." Just replace Trump with Nazi and the suggestion answers itself. "You should go to a Nazi rally"? Hmm, no, I'll pass. The kind of people who'd agree with going to such a rally would instead be self explanatory.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:33
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What even is there to gain from going to a Trump Rally if you’re not already chugging the MAGA koolaid? Trump is just going to dump nothing but his online rants with a side helping of even more irrelevant stream of consciousness bullshit. And if you want to go to observe his audience, you can do that from home without having to interact with people that have made Donald J Trump their only personality trait (or without getting weird glares if you have any non-white shade of skin)
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Jan 16, 2024 18:33
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