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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It’s better for rich far right weirdos to dump money in to NIL than whatever else they were going to do with it. Yea no kidding. I’m coming to terms that there’s plenty of small to mid business owners with cash to spend, and I’d rather they transfer their wealth to college kids than trying to roll back EPA regulations or something awful like that.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Enrollment increased 50% during Saban's run, most of that from out of state. Success brings more money to the city and the university, which makes the numbers go up. I don't understand the lol here. Look at this guy who won 45 million dollars. Why, you'd be an idiot not to play the lottery
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predicto posted:That mostly happened because Alabama began giving free tuition to out of state students with high SAT or ACT scores. That's not at all unique to Alabama. I'm sure every university with SAT/ACT scholarships has done a financial breakdown and sets the requirements so they're not losing much. I bet there's a large portion of students that get their first year of classes (maybe the least expensive to teach) for free, fall below the required GPA, and then pay full out of state tuition for three more years. The choice whether to stay depends on how much they enjoyed their time on campus and what they expect in the future. Retaining those students is where winning football seasons, and the related events and comradery, pays off. On different and very specific note, Alabama recently began offering mechanical engineering primarily online. Online undergraduate mechanical engineering is unusual - off hand I don't know of anywhere offering it other than Arizona State and Alabama. I bet it's more fun to be an alumni of the latter.
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swickles posted:Show me a school with prisitine funding, please. Nobody has pristine funding. George Mason’s funding is particularly notable, especially for a public university. The economics department and the law school are directly financed by right wing billionaires (which is why it’s the only US university that pretends that The Austrian school is real economics). The Koch brothers alone donated over 100 million. And in return they got professors and curriculum changes. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/conservative-string-attached-to-50-million-gift-to-george-mason-university/131962/
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The Twinkie Czar posted:That's not at all unique to Alabama. I'm sure every university with SAT/ACT scholarships has done a financial breakdown and sets the requirements so they're not losing much. I bet there's a large portion of students that get their first year of classes (maybe the least expensive to teach) for free, fall below the required GPA, and then pay full out of state tuition for three more years. The choice whether to stay depends on how much they enjoyed their time on campus and what they expect in the future. Retaining those students is where winning football seasons, and the related events and comradery, pays off. Yes, but Alabama was different. Out of state students with a 30 ACT or 1350 SAT get a full tuition free ride for 4 years (this was a few years back, the numbers may have changed). Other out of state students with scores below that got a big cut in tuition. It was by far the most generous out of state scholarship program in the county, hands down, no question. I’m not saying having Nick Saban didn’t help, but that money probably made more of a difference.
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They would have never made that move if Saban wasn't there though.
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Fluffdaddy posted:They would have never made that move if Saban wasn't there though. What makes you say that? genuine question I’m cutting and pasting something from Reddit that is consistent with my understanding of it, “ What happens is they give out scholarships to well performing upper-middle class high school students who probably would never get financial aid. This kid tells his friends that he’s going to bama. Maybe it opens their eyes to Bama as a possibility they had not yet considered. Maybe they planned to go to the same school to keep being besties together in college. Or maybe it contributes to a narrative that Bama gives out a LOT of scholarships and that makes it to the news or websites like “top 10 lists of colleges that give out lots of scholarships” and those pull in more applications. Regardless, this leads to more out-of-state students paying out-of-state tuition which is a fuckin poo poo load more expensive than in-state. It only takes one other person from another state to make the scholarship to another student worth it. This is the story told by my Econ professor. Maybe there are other contributing factors as others have said here, but according to my professor who’s friend used to write these scholarships it’s just a whole rear end strategy to get people to pay out-of-state fees. My professor’s friend apparently said that he felt horrible doing it because it ended up being that Bama didn’t give out nearly enough need-based aid. See most of the scholarships don’t go to poor kids whose parents would never be able to afford the cost of college. Most of the kids who get this scholarship have parents who would be able to financially support their kids. Most people I knew on scholarship had decently stable families who sent them plenty of spending cash. It’s because it’s those decently stable families who have friends in other decently stable families who can pay the out-of-state fees.” I’m pretty sure that Saban wasn’t the key to that calculation.
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Sorry to get all effort post “acksully…” in this thread about footbaw.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Yea no kidding. I’m coming to terms that there’s plenty of small to mid business owners with cash to spend, and I’d rather they transfer their wealth to college kids than trying to roll back EPA regulations or something awful like that. literally the only way to get them to give money to young black men
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predicto posted:Sorry to get all effort post “acksully…” in this thread about footbaw. Ain't nothing wrong with doing this, effort posts are good.
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Alabama has had a massive influx of basic white girls from all over the country largely because of TikTok. I’m sure the success of the football team has played a big role in the overall picture as well, but a bunch of upper middle class white girls aren’t going to Alabama because the football team is good. There are literally girls from Ohio and other Midwest states paying thousands of dollars to consultants to give them a better chance of getting into sorority houses. E: and this is anecdotal but here in Ohio I know there’s an absurd number of upper middle class MAGA parents who view Bama/Ole Miss/Auburn/UGA as places that won’t turn their kids into libs. It’s really been a perfect convergence of factors for Alabama over the last 8-10 years. Truther Vandross fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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predicto posted:What makes you say that? genuine question Because the incentive to stay in Tuscaloosa would not have been high enough if the football team wasn't good. The graduation rate is only 72%, with lots of kids coming in and washing out over the course of 3 or 4 semesters. The goal is to get them on campus and keep them there. And frankly, education wise, there are not a lot of strong programs at UA, outside of the engineering department. So it falls on football to be the big draw to keep kids paying that insane out of state tuition after they gently caress up their financial aid.
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THIS_IS_FINE posted:http://twitter.com/UW_Football/status/1747754307137777689 From what I understand Coleman was gone even if Fisch stayed, so we don't truly know what the fallout is yet. But I guess we'll see.
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predicto posted:The economics department and the law school are directly financed by right wing billionaires (which is why it’s the only US university that pretends that The Austrian school is real economics). The University of Chicago, while having a few differences in the beliefs its economics school pushes, is very Austrian-friendly.
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Virtually all Econ departments serve as the ideological clergy of capitalism, I don’t know why the Kochs funding one makes it that much worse than any other
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Spacebump posted:After this happens, one day a college football player will be traded. International soccer-style transfer fees for players’ registration rights. Fluffdaddy posted:Because the incentive to stay in Tuscaloosa would not have been high enough if the football team wasn't good. The “Flutie Effect” is decently well-studied and is exactly what this conversation is about - the extra attention success in college sports gives schools (named after Boston College’s influx after Doug Flutie’s Hail Mary against The U in 1984). Sports really act as a “front porch” for universities in the U.S. There were definitely people I went to school with who both heard of and decided to come to Oregon because of the sports connections, and that certainly has been true when appealing to the California kids not going to UC schools. To put it from another angle - I know about a few universities in Japan either because they participate in the annual new year’s Hakone Ekiden marathon, which is the highest-profile college sports event in the country.
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Truther Vandross posted:Alabama has had a massive influx of basic white girls from all over the country largely because of TikTok. I’m sure the success of the football team has played a big role in the overall picture as well, but a bunch of upper middle class white girls aren’t going to Alabama because the football team is good.
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By the by, the “Bama Rush” documentary is all about this. Going by that: Ball begat Sorority-tok, begat a whole buttload of Bettys coming by. That said the population drat near doubled during the first half of Saban’s tenure so it’s all related in some way or the other.
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It’s funny that all these kids are leaving Bama now but I bet we see an huge influx of kids when the portal opens again in April. Same with Washington
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Imagine watching Bama Rush and wanting to in any way be part of that Sometimes women do be crazy
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Joey Freshwater posted:It’s funny that all these kids are leaving Bama now but I bet we see an huge influx of kids when the portal opens again in April. Same with Washington Yeah, it’ll balance itself out eventually. For now though, let them all transfer away. 
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predicto posted:That mostly happened because Alabama began giving free tuition to out of state students with high SAT or ACT scores. That started in the late 90s or early 00s, it's how my in law went there on a full ride and got to experience the 3 coach year. So it predates Saban by quite a bit. When my spouse went there earlier to do dig school she was one of the few northerners and there was tons of culture shock by everyone. The main story I remember is people being shocked she enjoyed sweet corn as a food for some reason. Edit: also, sorority rush was even worse back then from the stories I hear. The HBO documentary on Bama last year didn't even break the surface on the nastiness and racism of explicitly not picking girls of color embedded deep within. trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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If the MAGA parents from Ohio don’t want their kids turning into libs they can keep them in state at Miami.
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Bama Rush could’ve been interesting but the filmmaker decided to make it about her struggles with having alopecia instead of about what those rushes were doing.
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She was clear about why that happened. They shut her out pretty hard.
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's also not just something the University tells people for the hell of it. It's consistently acknowledged internally. You’re telling me that the school is going to justify the football spending somehow?
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:She was clear about why that happened. They shut her out pretty hard. making it a personal story rather than a fly on the wall thing was probably a mistake as it has one foot in both camps and succeeds at neither anyways lmao alabama's gonna be so fuckin bad next season
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Declan MacManus posted:making it a personal story rather than a fly on the wall thing was probably a mistake as it has one foot in both camps and succeeds at neither It sucked but everyone either cut her off or dropped rush entirely so there wasn’t much else to be done
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I've been told in Texas terms that Alabama is becoming a public version of SMU, in that a lot of wealthy kids are adding Bama to their fallback lists as it's becoming more prestigious.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Bama Rush could’ve been interesting but the filmmaker decided to make it about her struggles with having alopecia instead of about what those rushes were doing. In the end, I was disappointed with Bama Rush because it seemed apologetic about the culture.
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Komet posted:In the end, I was disappointed with Bama Rush because it seemed apologetic about the culture. Yeah, the people I know who were in said sorority system were mad that it didn't go nearly hard enough at the nasty underbelly of it. There's a lot to dig up and expose.
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GD_American posted:The University of Chicago, while having a few differences in the beliefs its economics school pushes, is very Austrian-friendly. Nah, Those differences are huge. A hundred years ago Hayek had something useful to say, but Modern Austrian “economics” is really just economics cosplay. They decided what they believe philosophically (rich people good, all regulation bad, return to the gold standard and close the Fed) and refuse to test those extreme libertarian beliefs using any historic results or mathematic models. It’s akin to religious belief. It’s Ron Paul. The Chicago boys and every other actual modern economic school disagree on lots of things and some schools are more conservative than others, but all of them rightfully mock the fake Austrian “scholarship,”. That’s why the billionaires had had to buy the George Mason economics department, so they would have someplace they could set up their fake think tanks (the Mises institute) and stow their fake professors. predicto fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Arizona's roster is staying intact for the most part. Good luck UW!
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https://x.com/TransferPortal_/status/1748020251223114217?s=20 Hawkeye fans, start churning that corn a lil more please.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I did not realize “5-star PLUS” was a grade. It means you are a guaranteed starter who will make a difference immediately as a freshman, or with some development; we will see you in the NFL in 3 years.
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