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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007
Probation
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i say swears online posted:

maybe it's because i read the books when i was 15 and saw the show when i was 38 but in the books she was The Worst

I did a reread last year when I was 39 and she comes off so much better.

E: she's just trying to protect some kids. Then she consistently kick rear end poo poo while she self monologues in her head about being a coward and useless. WoT decided to just film the latter which is pretty funny

Shageletic has issued a correction as of 20:54 on Jan 21, 2024

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May 27, 2004



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Xaris posted:

oh yeah of course, i forgot to mention thats a requirement too

or rather pack in a bunch of edibles for the day

:hmmyes:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Shageletic posted:

I did a reread last year when I was 39 and she comes off so much better.

E: she's just trying to protect some kids. Then she consistently kick rear end poo poo while she self monologues in her head about being a coward and useless. WoT decided to just film the latter which is pretty funny

all the characters are really annoying up until the end of the shadow rising/start of fires of heaven

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

robert jordan making his fetishes crucial parts of the series ftw

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I read the first six or so Wheel of Time books during one excruciatingly boring summer ages ago and that was enough Wheel of Time for me.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

AnimeIsTrash posted:

robert jordan making his fetishes crucial parts of the series ftw
did he? i admit i didnt read them all, i think i bailed out around 4 or 5, but they always struck me as extremely asexual/aromantic. then again this was like 25 years ago or something.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
i mostly just remember them being like 500 rng paragraphs a bout fluffing clothing or something really boring. if jordan had a fetish it would be about loving a sack of dirty laundry neatly fluffed

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

galagazombie posted:

OG Shrek is great now and was great then. But there is a modicum of “you had to be there” to understand why it blew up so much. Watching it today you might not pick up on the visceral and open disdain for Disney running through the whole film, which was a big deal since it was released juuuuussssst as people were getting sick to death of the Disney Renaissance and its use of the “classic Disney formula”.

im not a fan of shrek personally but i will agree that when it was new there was still some faint awareness in the zeitgeist that disneyfied versions of fairy tales and the actual original fairy tales were distinct concepts and that shrek was parodying the former but at this point disney has so thoroughly colonized the fairy tale genre this distinction really isnt something a modern day viewer is likely to grasp quite so easily

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

ArmedZombie posted:

i was just tired of those close gun standoff scenes. there was like one every episode and there was no tension because you already knew the outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6svL10xXulQ

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


quote:

This film claims to be the first entirely computer-generated feature film. The earlier Toy Story employed clay models that were later scanned and digitized, while Cassiopeia used only software to create its visuals.

this is the first time im ever hearing about toy story characters being based on clay models

lol forever that the original proof of concept movie for the innate superiority of cgi was just a more efficient version of claymation

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Hopper from a Bug's Life is the first main character Pixar didn't do a clay sculpt for. They'll still sometimes use clay sculpts for modeling figures because it helps get an idea of how lighting should look and gives you a real reference

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
"don't quit your gay job" -Kiss Koss Bang Bang

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWZvxquH7lM

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The LOTR show being about nonsense is even funnier since I assume that technically they have access to stuff like The Scouring or the all the loosely-defined Fourth Age stuff mentioned in the appendix. Probably could have gotten nerds to watch your entire show if it was about Aragorn again or whatever

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

DaysBefore posted:

The LOTR show being about nonsense is even funnier since I assume that technically they have access to stuff like The Scouring or the all the loosely-defined Fourth Age stuff mentioned in the appendix. Probably could have gotten nerds to watch your entire show if it was about Aragorn again or whatever

I’m pretty sure they didn’t have rights to the Silmarillion at all or any of the writings about events prior to the second age and the scenes with the sinking of Numenor and the two trees had to be creatively accounted for due to allusions in the appendices

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


The LOTR TV show is more or less Gregg Turkington's bit in one of the On Cinema Oscar Specials, about how there'd be a new Hobbit film every year for the next forty years all based on random side characters in the Silmarillion.

But somehow it is worse.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
did you know that Tolkien wrote a story where Finrod prophesies the birth of Christ to a human woman who is mad her elf bf won't marry her

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Xaris posted:

i mostly just remember them being like 500 rng paragraphs a bout fluffing clothing or something really boring. if jordan had a fetish it would be about loving a sack of dirty laundry neatly fluffed

i agree with this, they were very tame books compared to their contemporaries. he gets way more hornt up for dresses divided for riding horses

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
let's be honest who doesn't

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i'm more partial to a dagger-shaped pendant nestled in an ample bosom

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Xaris posted:

did he? i admit i didnt read them all, i think i bailed out around 4 or 5, but they always struck me as extremely asexual/aromantic. then again this was like 25 years ago or something.

bro what arey ou talkign about

https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Damane

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


that was just turning women into more fashion accessories

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

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Jan 22, 2024
broke bitch

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Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

indigi posted:

did you know that Tolkien wrote a story where Finrod prophesies the birth of Christ to a human woman who is mad her elf bf won't marry her

Was he taking the piss out of Lewis or was it serious?

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

the hobbit movies wouldve been so much worse if del toro ended up making them

Absolutely not

At the very least, del Toro would not have balked at showing a mixed race kiss

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

oh good

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

the hobbit movies wouldve been so much worse if del toro ended up making them


https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1749198104786596133

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

When I was a kid we called Force ghosts "ghosts".

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

hello disney adults

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
When imperialist lapdogs bark: a response to Isagani de Castro’s “Is there a New Filipino Cinema Audience”?

quote:

This post is made in response to a question raised by a student of mine in class about an article written by a certain Isagani de Castro, Jr for Rappler titled “Is there a new Filipino Cinema audience?”[1] It’s within the similar vein of journalistic endeavor in film writing that Jason Tan Liwag’s article that I responded to is modeled. The think-piece is written with a hint of journalism covering insights from industry who’s who and some “expert” commenters.

The article, in a gist, and in the guise of a journalistic enterprise, celebrated the shifting of the “Filipino audience” away from the “masses”. The byline states:

“The MMFF used to be the holiday film festival for the masses, with films starring Vice Ganda, Vic Sotto, and Coco Martin often topping the box office. The Filipino movie-going market, however, is changing, as shown in MMFF 2022 and 2023 ticket sales.”

This byline – which stands as the article’s abstract and hence, its hypothesis to be tested – is supported by statements from industry insiders such as Jose Javier Reyes, MMFF Juror and film director:

“Consider the mathematics. The Filipino minimum wage earner takes home P570/day for his hard work – without subtracting the cost of transportation and food. The average cost of a movie ticket nowadays is between P350 to P400. It is quite clear that Aleng Tacing and Mang Juaning together with their offsprings Letlet and Junjun can no longer afford to watch movies,”

In a quick summation, the article assumed that this “masses” that they are veering away this “new audiences” from are the “undiscerning” ones who “loved a good old traditional comedy”, or preferred “escapist” films, and are often generalized with their buying power or, i.e. the “minimum wage earner” as noted by the citation from Reyes above.

A point of contention was raised by de Castro how while despite box-office turnout in peso, the ticket sales or the buyer turnout was different: “With ticket prices now at around P350 each in 2023 and ticket sales of P1 billion, that means 2.85 million watched the latest iteration of the MMFF, or a decline of 1.39 million viewers [from 2022].” de Castro noted of this as if this is a novel phenomenon that has not existed prior to the pandemic.

Such was not the case.

We have noted back when STRIKE II was around that, if we are to consider 2019’s biggest box office hit, Hello Love Goodbye as the benchmark, the so-called “local film industry” catered to an audience only of roughly 2,000,000 people or around 8% of Manila population or 1.8% of total national population.[2]

De Castro went on to echo industry blunders of the causes of its downfall since after the Edsa Revolution such as piracy, which to this day, has never really shown any significant statistic that relates that fate to such “criminal activity” as noted by the media scholar Tilman Baumgartel, even the statistics shown by the Optical Media Board reflects only their task “of making their own work look efficient, or keeping their respectable countries off international black lists because of consequences for their reputation as business locations”[3] and in most cases, as Baumgartel has noted in the same article cited, piracy brought better cultural impact in its heyday than harm.

The elephant in the room that de Castro wasn’t able to address is the reality that sits within local film distribution’s pandering to the imperialist (largely U.S. Imperialist) market. There’s a weird isolated discussion about “Philippine Cinema” being solely about the production of local movies, both within mainstream and independent production. This discussion is well reflected by de Castro and his interviewees in the article as if distribution and exhibition are separate realms that do not have anything to do with production. Which is why what is often highlighted in these kinds of discussions are the “quality” of the works being produced and the kind of audiences they tend to attract.

The alienation of production from the distribution and exhibition side of the film business reflects the very neoliberal core of Philippine economics. Discussions about cinema – a very public endeavor – are being left with the private decision making of individuals not treated as humans but target consumers. Here, they speak of “target markets” – that a Hollywood audience is not a target market of a local film and vice versa. A populism symptomatic of the local “industry”’s surrender to the globalist frame of Imperialist economic aggression.

This imperialist aggression is no more obvious than it is with Philippine film distribution. Here, say, for example in an SM mall that has 12 theaters, you would expect that the majority of the screens would screen Hollywood and leave some (a screen or two) to locally produced ones. This distribution practice has been going on for a long time but has become more aggressive by the turn of the 1990s where further privatization of spaces happened and the national government rooted for lesser control and regulation over the economic sphere. In this development, film distribution became the greatest site of struggle between locally produced movies and foreign movies. In a study done by Mark Lester Chico in the political economy of film distribution during the 2016 Metro Manila Film Festival, it is evident that distributors hold a lot of power on which film is going to get screened or not. The distribution business does not care about the “quality” of the works, contrary to the arguments posed by the interviewees of de Castro in his articles, but rather distributors hold screens in terms of performance in sales. Distributors act as mediators between producers and exhibitors (theaters): producers do not talk directly to theaters, and so do theaters to producers. Distributors hold that much power to the economic outcome of a film by merely controlling what can be screened or not.[4]

Distributors often than not are arbiters of imperialist interest in Cinemas. There’s a presence of Warner Bros. distribution in the country, Viva films mediate for the distribution of 20th Century Fox, Paramount, Universal, MGM, and Dreamworks; Columbia mediate for Columbia Tri-star and Buenavista. Similarly, locally owned distributors such as Pioneer Films, and even film studios such as Regal, Viva, Star Cinema, GMA, Solar (formerly Seiko) have had a hand in distributing foreign films themselves.[5] Theaters being situated inside malls and the fall of stand alone cinema theaters gave businesses more control as to which films can be screened to the public. And the neoliberal dictum of the Philippine government informs them that they can’t do anything about it. And for industry stalwarts to not to recognize this phenomenon as contributing to the detriment of a supposed “local film industry” puts them to the ranks of imperialist lapdogs, like how Rappler is.

If we remember how in 2004, when SM Cinemas have decided to ban R-18 films,[6] the response of the Philippine government is not to mandate and pressure the business to revert back its decision to help support the dying “industry”, but to go around enacting a new classification of R-16[7] that can be agreeable to the business while the production companies must work around with further restrictions if they endeavor to be screened in the largest chain of cinemas in the country.

If we add such power with the imperialist imperative, it would not be strange to see how much of the detriment of the “local film industry” belie largely with this pandering to foreign producers. Historically, the U.S. film market has always been aggressive towards the Philippines. We can just take note of how during the first edition of the Metro Manila Film Festival back in 1975 was gatecrashed by the representative of the American Theater Organization, Jack Valenti and pressured the then Manila governor, Imelda Marcos to retain the playdates of Hollywood movies during the festival run.[8] Legends say that the governor was pressured that the U.S. would not just pull movies if they are not heard, but will be pulling investments. That encounter underscored how big of a threat a nationalization of film distribution must be for imperialists.

De Castro’s article and his interviewees did not look back in this history and instead associated the perceived success of the recent edition of MMFF to the lack of the kind of audiences that disgusts them, the “masses”. And being the imperialist platform where the article came from, de Castro’s article failed to consider how much of the MMFF’s success can obviously be attributed to a scenario when movies from imperialist countries are blocked in the local screens. As with the case of the former editions of MMFF.

Regardless of what we think of the Metro Manila Film Festival – whether it should cater to the imagined “masses” or the imagined “discerning” audiences that the industry commenters are fantasizing with – we can’t deny its effect as a supposed model of a nationalist endeavor for Philippine cinema that would succeed only if the whole ecosystem of Cinema does not betray its industrial aims for most of the months in the calendar. This leaves again these commenters from the bourgeois sphere of the film “industry” to their fantasy: that it is again the audience’s (specifically, the “masses”) fault that quality films are only being made during december and if they succeeded, also attribute them to a shifting away from this “masses”. Of course, outside of the imagined rhetoric, what they really want to express is the same disgust against the working classes and the peasantry that the ruling classes of this semifeudal and semicolonial country express on a daily basis by their deployment of class-based violence.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
Re: Reacher chat

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Xaris posted:

did he? i admit i didnt read them all, i think i bailed out around 4 or 5, but they always struck me as extremely asexual/aromantic. then again this was like 25 years ago or something.

quote:

Cold dulled her thoughts, though. She began losing the thread, having to shake her head and start over. Rolan’s growls at her to be still helped, a voice to focus on, to keep her awake. Even the accompanying slaps on her upturned bottom helped, as much as she hated to admit the fact, each one a shock that jolted her to wakefulness. After a while, she began shifting more, then struggling almost to the point of falling, courting the rude smacks. Anything to stay awake. She could not have said how much time passed, but her twists and wriggles began to weaken, until Rolan no longer growled, much less gave her a slap. Light, she wanted the man to play her like a drum!

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
looks like that was book 9? i didnt even get halfway there. so looks like jordan decided to up his fetish from loving the discount TJ MAXX aisle at some point

anyways they were veyr boring and glad i didnt try to push through the boringness

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
it definitely ramps up, but imo the series is pretty good overall despite the bondage freak stuff + brandon sanderson

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Gumball Gumption posted:

Was he taking the piss out of Lewis or was it serious?

Tolkien was a devout Catholic and it was sincere

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
the story is called
Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth btw and it's a lot about death and how Morgoth made humans fear it

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Yeah, LotR is meant to take place in the distant prehistory of the real world.

Maybe it happens at the same time as Star Wars.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Some Guy TT posted:

these kinds of characters only age poorly because theyre implicitly presented as a kind of idealized masculine standard the whole joke of austin powers is that he doesnt even remotely resemble any kind of idealized masculinity so everything he says and does just comes off as silly rather than worthy of emulation

Yeah, that's the key bit. Austin being a ridiculous dork who thinks he's a paragon of masculinity is the whole joke, and it ages well. ...funny thing is the implication it actually works pretty well anyway, probably because people find his whole deal entertaining and he's a lot more fun to be around than a stuffy alcoholic. Confidence goes a long way.

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my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

DaysBefore posted:

The LOTR show being about nonsense is even funnier since I assume that technically they have access to stuff like The Scouring or the all the loosely-defined Fourth Age stuff mentioned in the appendix. Probably could have gotten nerds to watch your entire show if it was about Aragorn again or whatever

I thought they'd make a show about young Aragorn traveling Middle Earth doing ranger poo poo but vastly misread that Bezos just wanted an epic GOT-like

The best thing I can say about the show is that they did not try to make it like GOT at all

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