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oobey
Nov 19, 2002

NihilCredo posted:

But we know he wasn't mentally awake all this time (which would frankly make his revenge extremely sympathetic, locked-in syndrome is nightmare torture stuff even when surrounded by caretakers and loved ones), because he mentions that he is unaware of the amount of time that has passed.

You ever been inside a casino? Once you lose all your references to the outside world, it's really hard to keep track of how much time has passed.

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Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

NihilCredo posted:

So, from the last time we saw Sunny up until the middle of this strip, Calder was able to use telepathy and cast spells but still physically immobilized by the stasis circle. But we know he wasn't mentally awake all this time (which would frankly make his revenge extremely sympathetic, locked-in syndrome is nightmare torture stuff even when surrounded by caretakers and loved ones), because he mentions that he is unaware of the amount of time that has passed. So I'm confused about how those circles work, and I don´t know if I'm supposed to be.

(time for me to do tedious d&d grognarding for a comic that largely uses the rules as suggestions rather than as ironclad laws of the universe)

My conjecture is that Calder actually was awake, for potentially decades, due to partially resisting the stasis trap or some other means, and that they could still cast. Red dragons can cast Suggestion 3 times a day if they are at least Old age or greater, and Suggestion has no somatic component. That being said, I'm not exactly sure how Calder managed to speak commands to Sunny from that distance. Maybe the Ventriloquism spell? They have the same range, Ventriloquism has no somatic component, and dragons can cast regular spells too like a sorcerer. I don't think that the Suggestion verbal component necessarily includes the command, so Calder could cast Suggestion, then Ventriloquism, and whisper one/many command(s) to Sunny specifically without the others overhearing. No telepathy required.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Scribble vs Calder image.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

MonsterEnvy posted:

Scribble vs Calder image.


Kinda disappointed we never got to see Gerard fight now. His fighting style looks cool as hell.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Gwyneth Palpate posted:

(time for me to do tedious d&d grognarding for a comic that largely uses the rules as suggestions rather than as ironclad laws of the universe)

My conjecture is that Calder actually was awake, for potentially decades, due to partially resisting the stasis trap or some other means, and that they could still cast. Red dragons can cast Suggestion 3 times a day if they are at least Old age or greater, and Suggestion has no somatic component. That being said, I'm not exactly sure how Calder managed to speak commands to Sunny from that distance. Maybe the Ventriloquism spell? They have the same range, Ventriloquism has no somatic component, and dragons can cast regular spells too like a sorcerer. I don't think that the Suggestion verbal component necessarily includes the command, so Calder could cast Suggestion, then Ventriloquism, and whisper one/many command(s) to Sunny specifically without the others overhearing. No telepathy required.

this is clever, and might be the reason for the yellow line on the bridge

Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





AnoHito posted:

Kinda disappointed we never got to see Gerard fight now. His fighting style looks cool as hell.

"hahaha you think this is the real Gerard?" [Stabs confused opponent in the heart] It is!

Vizuyos
Jun 17, 2020

Thank U for reading

If you hated it...
FUCK U and never come back

NihilCredo posted:

Not sure if I missed something or if we're not supposed to know at this point, but how was Calder able to charm Sunny in the previous strip? At first I thought the lens had fallen off by accident (it's roughly in front of the position where Sunny was last strip), but then we have Calder specifically ask him to antimagic-eye the circle in this strip, and then the dragon gets to move.

So, from the last time we saw Sunny up until the middle of this strip, Calder was able to use telepathy and cast spells but still physically immobilized by the stasis circle. But we know he wasn't mentally awake all this time (which would frankly make his revenge extremely sympathetic, locked-in syndrome is nightmare torture stuff even when surrounded by caretakers and loved ones), because he mentions that he is unaware of the amount of time that has passed. So I'm confused about how those circles work, and I don´t know if I'm supposed to be.

He may not have been completely physically immobilized, just trapped in the room. There's a bunch of burn marks and claw marks on the walls of his room, and I doubt he made those just now.

XkyRauh
Feb 15, 2005

Commander Keen is my hero.

sebmojo posted:

this is clever, and might be the reason for the yellow line on the bridge

I went back to look because I didn't see a yellow line, and correct me if I'm wrong, but those just look like the panels separating different slabs of stone? Unless there's a more yellow line that I missed somewhere.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Oh yeah, you're right.

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

MonsterEnvy posted:

Scribble vs Calder image.


What's Dorukan casting?

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

mmkay posted:

What's Dorukan casting?

Bigby's Dragon Wing Pinning Finger

Shaking lemur butt
Jan 5, 2015

:haw: :v: :ohdear: :cool:
Looks like Otiluke's Band-Aid of Annihilation

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

I thought I couldn't dislike Gerard more. Smug sorcerer dual wielding rapiers... just.. :ughh:

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Poil posted:

I thought I couldn't dislike Gerard more. Smug sorcerer dual wielding rapiers... just.. :ughh:

His entire family also fuuuuuuucked. Just a big ol' kingdom of his kin out in the middle of the desert.

Szarrukin
Sep 29, 2021

Poil posted:

I thought I couldn't dislike Gerard more. Smug sorcerer dual wielding rapiers... just.. :ughh:

And he teleports casts illusion behind you.

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

Poil posted:

I thought I couldn't dislike Gerard more. Smug sorcerer dual wielding rapiers... just.. :ughh:
While everyone else was playing AD&D, Gerard was playing Fashion Souls.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Szarrukin posted:

And he teleports casts illusion behind you.

Nothing personnel

DrakePegasus
Jan 30, 2009

It was Plundersaurus Rex's dream to be the greatest pirate dragon ever.

Tenebrais posted:

Nothing personnel

No, that was how the Draketooth clan ended.

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

New Strip: Cult Classic

Edit: Elan being completely guileless always gets a chuckle out of me.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Oh wow, this dragon fought the Order of the Scribble. Did anyone call that?

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


Oh a wise guy, huh?

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

bunnyofdoom posted:

Oh wow, this dragon fought the Order of the Scribble. Did anyone call that?

...are you counting the official illustration posted upthread?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Tenebrais posted:

...are you counting the official illustration posted upthread?

No because my brain is apparently mush today

DoctorTristan
Mar 11, 2006

I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?
Maybe the remainder of the comic run is 100 strips of Roy trying to attrit the dragon down to 0 hp by throwing a sword at it

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

DoctorTristan posted:

Maybe the remainder of the comic run is 100 strips of Roy trying to attrit the dragon down to 0 hp by throwing a sword at it

Then the dragon starts to wear his armor of a thousand innocent babies.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



DeafNote posted:

Then the dragon starts to wear his armor of a thousand innocent babies.

"By God, is that Belkar's music I hear?"

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

bunnyofdoom posted:

No because my brain is apparently mush today

Also in the earlier Sunny's drawing Serini was shown fighting the dragon with Kraagor.

Are these cultists the same ones that were seen fighting the Order in one of the much earlier strips? Or different ones? Because if Calder knew of the gates and had an interest in controlling them, hoo boy... :smaug:

e: no, that was the Holey Brotherhood

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jan 23, 2024

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

Ugh, a typo in panel 5, days of waiting for the strip ruined!

Gun Jam
Apr 11, 2015
Forcing people to fight for you. Where have I heard it before.

Y'know, just before this encounter, they had a talk about how Serini got her old crew to make the dungeon, except Soon?
Now, dunno about what magic he could have helped her with, but as far as design flaws goes, he could spot two:
One, that this thing's a solo operation, with no back up if (and when) Serini died - even after her troll-ization, it's still minions, rather than heirs.
Two, if anyone's gonna say "even if they're evil, drafting unwilling monsters to do your bidding is wrong", it would be him (cause they still have rights, or cause she should smite 'em instead? Probably the former).

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
The thing is that Calder was using mind control to enthrall unwilling people to do his bidding until the Order of the Scribble stopped him

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Eh, I've been around the internet long enough to know he probably had a bunch that were (very) willingly enthralled as well. People have odd kinks, but I won't shame.

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

If you've got decent wisdom or charisma I think you can usually make your saving throws against shame.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Shame is a rare saving throw which actually gets easier the lower your Intelligence.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

If you've got decent wisdom or charisma I think you can usually make your saving throws against shame.

I'd feel bad about what this says about me (and therefore prove it by failed my shame throw) but I think Origin (Catholic) is a -10 modifier to the save roll

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Shame is a rare saving throw which actually gets easier the lower your Intelligence.

It also only affects characters in the lawful/good categories.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Nenonen posted:

It also only affects characters in the lawful/good categories.

insert Durkan's speech to Belkar about how it feels bad to realize how bad you've been here

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Cup Runneth Over posted:

insert Durkan's speech to Belkar about how it feels bad to realize how bad you've been here

which strip was that?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


sebmojo posted:

which strip was that?

binge warning do not click https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1151.html

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


here's a hotlink to save you

https://i.giantitp.com//comics/oots/oots1151.png

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Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
smdh if you don't immediately recognize that as a line from the strip "Halfling Baby Steps Are Very Small."

it might be my single favorite strip in the comic, it's just Durkon being very good and also Durkon being very Good.

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