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That double handed fist strike is the ultimate techinique.
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Ferengi are also probably just as strong as Klingons, but most of 'em don't care about martial prowess.MikeJF posted:I bet we can whup a Tellarite's rear end though. Garak posted:Ah, but I got off several cutting remarks which no doubt did serious damage to their egos. Much like Ferengi make pilgrimages to the site of Wall Street I assume Tellarites visit the Friar's Club.
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The Centauri Central Roast of Gral
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I bet I could take an Elaysian in a fight, at least as long as the gravity stayed on.
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Julian freaking out in wonder about being in zero G is so dumb. Bro you work in space.
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zoux posted:Julian freaking out in wonder about being in zero G is so dumb. Bro you work in space. Do they make everyone in the Navy learn how to swim these days? I know for a long time it was unusual.
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There is no way that academy training doesn't include significant zero G instruction. Especially after TUC.
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zoux posted:I think it's a mistake to have humans as the weakest of all the major species because they don't lean into that ever. We see tons of human starfleet officers go toe to toe with Klingons, who would never lose in a hand-to-hand fight against a human, it would be like you or I fighting a six year old. I guess Starfleet Kung-fu is the perfect scientific martial art I see it in computer game terms Those guys are Just Mooks and the guys we know are special characters so they're stronger
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zoux posted:That double handed fist strike is the ultimate techinique. This is flying jump kick erasure. On BBC America right now: "Remember Me." A good episode that could have been a TNG GOAT ep, if not for (1) ruining the mystery a bit more than halfway through and (2) the appearance of hyperpedo The Traveler. As someone pointed out last time this ep was brought up, it goes a long way toward worldbuilding that weird poo poo goes on aboard the Enterprise all the time, and they go through tons and tons of hoops to probe Beverly's suspicions before they start saying she's possibly crazy* -- even when the crew is down to 230 and she steps in it publicly on the bridge, Picard is like, "I have no choice but to believe you" and then orders the return of the ship to Starbase 133. * Worf is as usual correct from the start -- "if he came aboard, where are his possessions?" -- but of course he is ignored/cut off a couple of times during the episode. He's just the guy in charge of evaluating threats to the ship and reacting appropriately; why listen to him? Edit: 3rd reason -- Deanna's back to the mauve cameltoe onesie after wearing a uniform in the prior ep (with the human child raised by militaristic aliens). Admiralty Flag fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Jan 25, 2024 21:44
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Give me five minutes in the ring with Neelix.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Give me five minutes in the ring with Neelix. Settle down, Tuvok.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Settle down, Tuvok. Tuvok wouldn't need five minutes.
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W.T. Fits posted:Tuvok wouldn't need five minutes. But he'd want them
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Sash! posted:But he'd want them I disagree; wanting extra, unnecessary time would be illogical.
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W.T. Fits posted:I disagree; wanting extra, unnecessary time would be illogical. Incorrect. Allowing extra time for the further release of unwanted aggression is indeed perfectly logical. HOW many simulations was he running where he offed Neelix? Like, LOTS.
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zoux posted:I think it's a mistake to have humans as the weakest of all the major species because they don't lean into that ever. We see tons of human starfleet officers go toe to toe with Klingons, who would never lose in a hand-to-hand fight against a human, it would be like you or I fighting a six year old. I guess Starfleet Kung-fu is the perfect scientific martial art I know that Klingons have heavily reinforced skulls and redundant vital organs, making them harder to kill than a human, but have they ever been said or shown to be stronger than a human of equivalent size? I know that Klingons tend to be portrayed by either larger actors or at least actors wearing lifts, but they always seem to have just been big guy strong, not superhuman strong.
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star fleet martial arts has the most amazing moves ever devised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAxnwhZreKk
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Tiberius Christ posted:star fleet martial arts has the most amazing moves ever devised That's gotta be hella minus on block
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A.o.D. posted:I know that Klingons have heavily reinforced skulls and redundant vital organs, making them harder to kill than a human, but have they ever been said or shown to be stronger than a human of equivalent size? I know that Klingons tend to be portrayed by either larger actors or at least actors wearing lifts, but they always seem to have just been big guy strong, not superhuman strong. It's a weird anachronism resulting from them just being dudes with loads of bronzer in TOS. Like they surely should be superhuman strong, but Kirk can go toe to toe with legendary Klingons when necessary.
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zoux posted:There is no way that academy training doesn't include significant zero G instruction. Especially after TUC. 
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Atlas Hugged posted:It's a weird anachronism resulting from them just being dudes with loads of bronzer in TOS. Like they surely should be superhuman strong, but Kirk can go toe to toe with legendary Klingons when necessary. It wasn't just TOS, though. We've seen humans throw down with Klingons in the movies, TNG, and DS9. Klingons usually have an advantage, but its not one sided like how fights with Vulcans go.
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A.o.D. posted:I know that Klingons have heavily reinforced skulls and redundant vital organs, making them harder to kill than a human, but have they ever been said or shown to be stronger than a human of equivalent size? I know that Klingons tend to be portrayed by either larger actors or at least actors wearing lifts, but they always seem to have just been big guy strong, not superhuman strong. Well Worf goes toe to toe with a whole platoon of Jem Hadar for a month and they’re way stronger than humans
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I like to think that humans are physically weaker than most other species but make up for it by being dirty fighters Like in that one episode, Riker beats a Klingon twice his size by just kicking the other guy's legs out from under him and eventually throwing him into a loving TV
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A.o.D. posted:It wasn't just TOS, though. We've seen humans throw down with Klingons in the movies, TNG, and DS9. Klingons usually have an advantage, but its not one sided like how fights with Vulcans go. Well that's what I'm saying. Because the Klingons as depicted in TOS were just dudes, suddenly having them being physical powerhouses wouldn't make a lot of sense. They're more bark than bite and always have been. Now they just look intimidating and while they're tough, they don't complete outclass humans in a straight fight.
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Klingons have all those redundant backup organs because they're actually incredibly fragile.
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Klingons and Vulcans are stronger but all that strength requires more energy so they tire out quickly. A realistic human-Klingon fight is the human jumping around like a season 1 Ferengi until the Klingon gets tired and then striking.
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Grand Fromage posted:Klingons and Vulcans are stronger but all that strength requires more energy so they tire out quickly. A realistic human-Klingon fight is the human
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Atlas Hugged posted:Well that's what I'm saying. Because the Klingons as depicted in TOS were just dudes, suddenly having them being physical powerhouses wouldn't make a lot of sense. They're more bark than bite and always have been. Now they just look intimidating and while they're tough, they don't complete outclass humans in a straight fight. Vulcans just seem loving strong. Star Trek Into Darkness sucked in a lot of ways, but I enjoyed how the pacifist herbivore beats the living poo poo out of Mr. Genetic Augmentation Superman and while it isn't 'rip his arms from the sockets' unfair, it was a clear advantage to Spock. I also remember the Diane Duane novels having a security ensign who was a Horta. "lol keep shooting me with your phasers while I walk over there"
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Cassidy straight up says Vulcans are 3x stronger than humans when Sisko is telling her about going up against one in his academy days
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If I’m a Vulcan I’m gonna tell every human I meet that I’m 3x as strong as them so they’re scared to start poo poo with me. Thereby preventing the need for violence with logic.
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But a Vulcan cannot lie!
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They don't mention WHICH muscles are 3x more effective and powerful than the human equivalent.
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FISHMANPET posted:But a Vulcan cannot lie! 
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Nessus posted:They don't mention WHICH muscles are 3x more effective and powerful than the human equivalent. So that's why they walk around like they have a stick up their butt.
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Klingons might have a slight edge in strength, but many of them are kind of fat and seem to lead pretty degenerate lifestyles whereas Starfleet work out constantly and don't even touch alcohol. Klingons have a warrior culture and can take more of a beating, but Starfleet are supposedly the best of humanity.
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thotsky posted:Klingons might have a slight edge in strength, but many of them are kind of fat and seem to lead pretty degenerate lifestyles whereas Starfleet work out constantly and don't even touch alcohol. Klingons have a warrior culture and can take more of a beating, but Starfleet are supposedly the best of humanity. And Reg Barclay
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Klingons are just drunk fat vets mostly, posting that Praxis was an inside job on DawI and bIQ
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To be fair, both other officers and Reg himself question whether he's truly suited for Starfleet, and he does end up grounding himself. They do go out of their way to show that for his faults, he's ultimately an effective member of the crew. They could have easily given him some kind of scene to show he's an effective soldier as well, but I am happy they never did.
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Klingons are a bunch of rowdy frat boys, they’ve spent some time in the gym and have lots of drunk-fueled enthusiasm and pain tolerance but are plenty capable of getting their poo poo rocked by anyone who knows what they’re doing. Starfleet are all clean-living yogalates moms, surprisingly good flexibility and core stability, and get them riled up plus a glass of wine and they’ll throw down dirtier than a back alley bar brawl
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Thaddius the Large posted:Klingons are a bunch of rowdy frat boys, they’ve spent some time in the gym and have lots of drunk-fueled enthusiasm and pain tolerance but are plenty capable of getting their poo poo rocked by anyone who knows what they’re doing. Starfleet are all clean-living yogalates moms, surprisingly good flexibility and core stability, and get them riled up plus a glass of wine and they’ll throw down dirtier than a back alley bar brawl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QYlcfkcHMY
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